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Aylee -> RE: First lawsuit filed in Sandy Hook tragedy (12/30/2012 4:38:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Than killing people?  Hunting animals and self-defense.  For the self-defense, most of the time the firearm does not need to be fired to be effective.  It just has to be shown.  There is also the reduction in crime.  States with less firearm restrictions have less violent crime, than do states with draconian restrictions.  Look at Chicago.  Almost the toughest firearm laws in the country.  They just celebrated their 500th homicide.  87% of which involved guns. 


What is the purpose of having a gun? Is it killing? When you hunt, dont you kill? When you protect, isnt that protection with the threat of a potential for killing?


Tazzy, I specifically said, "There are many things that can be used to kill people. They pretty much all have a secondary use if not more."

I am keeping it at "killing people." 

Please do not move the goal posts. 

But, if you really want, firearms are also used for sport shooting.  Olympic events are not hunting events. 



cloudboy -> RE: First lawsuit filed in Sandy Hook tragedy (12/30/2012 4:39:32 PM)


It sounds like a weak case to me, and I imagine it might be dismissed before going to trial.



Aylee -> RE: First lawsuit filed in Sandy Hook tragedy (12/30/2012 4:42:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


It sounds like a weak case to me, and I imagine it might be dismissed before going to trial.


They may not even get permission to file the lawsuit with the court.



Baroana -> RE: First lawsuit filed in Sandy Hook tragedy (12/30/2012 4:46:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


It sounds like a weak case to me, and I imagine it might be dismissed before going to trial.


They may not even get permission to file the lawsuit with the court.



Ehhh, are you in another country?



tazzygirl -> RE: First lawsuit filed in Sandy Hook tragedy (12/30/2012 4:48:09 PM)

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Tazzy, I specifically said, "There are many things that can be used to kill people. They pretty much all have a secondary use if not more."

I am keeping it at "killing people." 

Please do not move the goal posts. 

But, if you really want, firearms are also used for sport shooting.  Olympic events are not hunting events. 


I am not moving goal posts. I asked what was the secondary use of a gun. All the things you provided circle around killing something or someone. Which, as you state, is the primary purpose.

So, again, what is the secondary purpose of a gun?



Aylee -> RE: First lawsuit filed in Sandy Hook tragedy (12/30/2012 6:59:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Tazzy, I specifically said, "There are many things that can be used to kill people. They pretty much all have a secondary use if not more."

I am keeping it at "killing people." 

Please do not move the goal posts. 

But, if you really want, firearms are also used for sport shooting.  Olympic events are not hunting events. 


I am not moving goal posts. I asked what was the secondary use of a gun. All the things you provided circle around killing something or someone. Which, as you state, is the primary purpose.

So, again, what is the secondary purpose of a gun?


Firearms are not just for killing people.  They have secondary uses. 

Killing people and killing animals are different.  The secondary use of a gun for killing people would be for killing animals (hunting), crime deterrence, and sport shooting. 

Sport shooting involves NO killing or attempts to do such. 



Aylee -> RE: First lawsuit filed in Sandy Hook tragedy (12/30/2012 7:02:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Baroana


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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


It sounds like a weak case to me, and I imagine it might be dismissed before going to trial.


They may not even get permission to file the lawsuit with the court.



Ehhh, are you in another country?


Ehh. . . no. 

From the article:

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Pinsky said he filed a claim on Thursday with state Claims Commissioner J. Paul Vance Jr., whose office must give permission before a lawsuit can be filed against the state.


From the 1st Amendment:
 
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"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
 
 



tazzygirl -> RE: First lawsuit filed in Sandy Hook tragedy (12/30/2012 7:45:18 PM)

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Firearms are not just for killing people.  They have secondary uses. 

Killing people and killing animals are different.  The secondary use of a gun for killing people would be for killing animals (hunting), crime deterrence, and sport shooting. 

Sport shooting involves NO killing or attempts to do such. 


Killing was your definition not mine.

A gun is a weapon designed to discharge a projectile. The projectile may be solid, liquid, gas or energy and may be free, as with bullets and artillery shells, or captive as with Taser probes and whaling harpoons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun

That is the primary use of a gun.

Now, what is a secondary use?



jlf1961 -> RE: First lawsuit filed in Sandy Hook tragedy (12/30/2012 7:46:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Firearms are not just for killing people.  They have secondary uses. 

Killing people and killing animals are different.  The secondary use of a gun for killing people would be for killing animals (hunting), crime deterrence, and sport shooting. 

Sport shooting involves NO killing or attempts to do such. 


Killing was your definition not mine.

A gun is a weapon designed to discharge a projectile. The projectile may be solid, liquid, gas or energy and may be free, as with bullets and artillery shells, or captive as with Taser probes and whaling harpoons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun

That is the primary use of a gun.

Now, what is a secondary use?


A club?



tazzygirl -> RE: First lawsuit filed in Sandy Hook tragedy (12/30/2012 7:47:56 PM)

I could accept that. Though I doubt too many, after paying hundreds or thousands on a gun are gonna use it as a club.



jlf1961 -> RE: First lawsuit filed in Sandy Hook tragedy (12/30/2012 7:53:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

I could accept that. Though I doubt too many, after paying hundreds or thousands on a gun are gonna use it as a club.


There are historic incidents where, when troops have run out of ammo, they resorted to using their weapons as clubs.



LadyPact -> RE: First lawsuit filed in Sandy Hook tragedy (12/30/2012 8:01:41 PM)

I'm sorry, JAS. I couldn't read the whole thread.

I honestly think this is disgusting. Nothing but pocket lining and agenda pushing.

I'd probably be thinking how grateful that My kid (grandkid) was alive because somebody had the brains to turn on an intercom, and a teacher did the best that they could with hearing those sounds. Turning that system on probably saved lives.

I just couldn't consider these actions a paycheck.



captainblack -> RE: First lawsuit filed in Sandy Hook tragedy (12/30/2012 8:05:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: captive4ever

Then there were the looters in NY and NJ after Super-storm Sandy.

Perhaps we reap what we sow...


Indeed we do. Those looters were able to roam about doing their worst because they knew they would not be facing any armed opposition. The state of New York made it a crime for law abiding citizens to own guns with the Sullivan law which was pushed forth by a corrupt state representative from Red Hook about 100 years ago. The criminals who were paying him off wanted to disarm the Red Hook merchants they were intent on robbing because too many of them were being shot in their failed highway robbery attempts.

In spite of New York having some of the most stringent and maybe unconstitutional gun laws on the books it does not stop criminals or crazy people from doing their worst against a civil populace prevented from defending themselves.

Myself and a female companion were robbed at gunpoint on the subway about 22 years ago. This was just after the police turned me down for a pistol permit because they said self defense was not a good reason for a gun! Had I a pistol that night there would have been fewer live armed robbers that night.

Before any silly people start ranting about guns in the hands of people that do not know how to use them I will point out that I was raised with guns in the house. I shot my first gun at the age of 5. My father taught me how to handle and respect guns and to only point them at things I wanted to shoot. The acceptable range of things to shoot include targets, clay birds (skeet), game and people who are intent on harming or me or mine. So please no silly comments about how I would have gotten myself or my girl killed.

If you do not feel comfortable learning how to care for and use a firearm then do not own one, but do not dictate to any other free person of sound mind that they can not protect themselves.

When it is a crime to own guns only the criminals will have guns.

CB



tazzygirl -> RE: First lawsuit filed in Sandy Hook tragedy (12/30/2012 8:06:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

I could accept that. Though I doubt too many, after paying hundreds or thousands on a gun are gonna use it as a club.


There are historic incidents where, when troops have run out of ammo, they resorted to using their weapons as clubs.


Oh I am not arguing with you. Just thinking about the everyday joe who spends lots of money on guns now.



dcnovice -> RE: First lawsuit filed in Sandy Hook tragedy (12/30/2012 9:11:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TheLilSquaw

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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Whats the secondary use for guns?

An OTC alternative to penile implants?


Made me spit my tea!


He shoots. He scores. [:)]



Aylee -> RE: First lawsuit filed in Sandy Hook tragedy (12/30/2012 9:27:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Firearms are not just for killing people.  They have secondary uses. 

Killing people and killing animals are different.  The secondary use of a gun for killing people would be for killing animals (hunting), crime deterrence, and sport shooting. 

Sport shooting involves NO killing or attempts to do such. 


Killing was your definition not mine.

A gun is a weapon designed to discharge a projectile. The projectile may be solid, liquid, gas or energy and may be free, as with bullets and artillery shells, or captive as with Taser probes and whaling harpoons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun

That is the primary use of a gun.

Now, what is a secondary use?


No, that is how a gun works.  The mechanics.  Not what it is used for. 

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"There are many things that can be used to kill people. They pretty much all have a secondary use if not more."


You can use a gun to kill people.  You can also use it for other things. 



tazzygirl -> RE: First lawsuit filed in Sandy Hook tragedy (12/30/2012 9:59:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Than killing people?  Hunting animals and self-defense.  For the self-defense, most of the time the firearm does not need to be fired to be effective.  It just has to be shown.  There is also the reduction in crime.  States with less firearm restrictions have less violent crime, than do states with draconian restrictions.  Look at Chicago.  Almost the toughest firearm laws in the country.  They just celebrated their 500th homicide.  87% of which involved guns. 


What is the purpose of having a gun? Is it killing? When you hunt, dont you kill? When you protect, isnt that protection with the threat of a potential for killing?


You said besides killing people.... guns kill more than people. I stand by what I posted.

We shall have to agree to disagree.



imdmb -> RE: First lawsuit filed in Sandy Hook tragedy (12/31/2012 1:45:04 AM)

tazzy, it has been pointed out many times now that guns are used for things like skeet shooting and Olympic sports. thus, no killing.



meatcleaver -> RE: First lawsuit filed in Sandy Hook tragedy (12/31/2012 2:44:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

So, again, what is the secondary purpose of a gun?


Penis extension, love toy, aphrodisiac, man badge......need I go on? ;-)



thishereboi -> RE: First lawsuit filed in Sandy Hook tragedy (12/31/2012 6:40:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

I could accept that. Though I doubt too many, after paying hundreds or thousands on a gun are gonna use it as a club.


There are historic incidents where, when troops have run out of ammo, they resorted to using their weapons as clubs.


Oh I am not arguing with you. Just thinking about the everyday joe who spends lots of money on guns now.


Although there are one or two people I know who have a gun for protection, the majority of them use them at firing ranges for target practice. They do it because they like to shoot guns but don't want to kill anything. 



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