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DarkSteven -> RE: child support case (1/3/2013 7:33:10 PM)
I read somewhere that the lesbians have eight other children. Also note that the state is trying to collect birth expenses for the kid, so the mother was on relief the whole time. I wonder if they were trying to milk the system for benefits by having so many kids. These people are idiots. A contract stating he can't be held liable, written by a nonlawyer. $50 on craigslist. Sheesh. That said, the technicality that he did not sue a doctor - that baffles me that use of a doctor means anything legally. I expect that women egg donors will be much less likely to donate eggs after this.

Spiritedsub2 -> RE: child support case (1/3/2013 7:33:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: theshytype Why should the mothers be void of any legal ramifications for seeking a sperm donor illegally? Shouldn't they know the law as well? I feel bad for him, I do. Although I find it incredibly creepy myself, he was trying to do a good deed. It's not illegal to use sperm via turkey baster or outside of a doctor's office. It just doesn't confer on the donor exemption from child support/parental liability.

theshytype -> RE: child support case (1/3/2013 8:34:00 PM)
I understand the gist of it and that the method they used to impregnant is not illegal. I'm simply pondering the unfairness of it all. He's required to go through a donor to make sure his ass is covered. He's required to know that he has to go to a donor to make sure his ass is covered. What are her responsibilities? Yes, he's lacking in the common sense department. However, he's doing something kind, and she could be looking for the first kind stranger to screw over. For this particular case, it sounds to me like they want to punish him for not going through a donor facility. I think it's bullshit. We have to put warning labels on coffee for being hot, but when it comes to laws then everyone is expected to know them.

Spiritedsub2 -> RE: child support case (1/3/2013 8:41:44 PM)
I googled the question "do I have to pay child support if I donate sperm to a friend". Got a wikipedia hit that said if I donated sperm privately, instead of through a doctor or sperm donation clinic, I would lose legal protections. Took me maybe 7 seconds to get a good idea that this could be a problem for me (if I were male).

ccc3333 -> RE: child support case (1/3/2013 8:42:07 PM)
i like the comment from one of the yahoo ppl "when will mothers who offer kids up for adoption" be legally held responsible for child support?

theshytype -> RE: child support case (1/3/2013 8:56:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Spiritedsub2 I googled the question "do I have to pay child support if I donate sperm to a friend". Got a wikipedia hit that said if I donated sperm privately, instead of through a doctor or sperm donation clinic, I would lose legal protections. Took me maybe 7 seconds to get a good idea that this could be a problem for me (if I were male). Maybe the person who was burned from hot coffee should have googled whether or not coffee is hot?

MissImmortalPain -> RE: child support case (1/3/2013 9:05:53 PM)
I may be viewing this as far to funny because I actually live in Kansas but a judge once said something to me that to this day I believe is the answer to many issues people have in cases like this. What he said....."Ignorance of the law is not an excuse" His lack of research of his rights should not mean that he does not have to follow the laws he ignored. And I really don't understand why it is such an issue anyway. He and his wife fostered children but he doesn't want to help take care of one that actually carries his DNA? IMO they should all be held equally responsible.....the mother, the "sperm donnor", and the other lady in the realationship that claimed her partners child at its birth.

tj444 -> RE: child support case (1/3/2013 9:12:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ccc3333 i like the comment from one of the yahoo ppl "when will mothers who offer kids up for adoption" be legally held responsible for child support? imo the reason many give their kids up for adoption is that they dont have the money to properly support them in the first place, so I doubt it would be worth the expense of trying to do that.. and I doubt there is any legal way to do that anyway... From the article, it said if he had gone thru a clinic instead of DIY, he would have had legal protection against any responsibility & not be in this bind.. was this just another case of a guy thinking with his little head instead of his big head??? [:D] (I couldnt resist)

tazzygirl -> RE: child support case (1/3/2013 9:25:46 PM)
~FR Just a thought. What is to prevent a couple who have had a relationship, including sexual, from drawing up such a form privately, claiming to have donated the sperm, to get the state to afford to pay for all expenses? There are rules for a reason. I dont always agree with all the rules. In this, they circumvented the laws to save money, ignored the rules, then cried wolf when they got caught. Sorry, I have no sympathy for the guy.

theshytype -> RE: child support case (1/3/2013 9:35:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl ~FR Just a thought. What is to prevent a couple who have had a relationship, including sexual, from drawing up such a form privately, claiming to have donated the sperm, to get the state to afford to pay for all expenses? There are rules for a reason. I dont always agree with all the rules. In this, they circumvented the laws to save money, ignored the rules, then cried wolf when they got caught. Sorry, I have no sympathy for the guy. That would be an interesting twist. But, if the woman went through a donor facility, wouldn't she still be covered by the state since there would still be no father?

LizDeluxe -> RE: child support case (1/3/2013 10:14:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: theshytype That would be an interesting twist. But, if the woman went through a donor facility, wouldn't she still be covered by the state since there would still be no father? Artificial insemination through donor facilities typically runs $300-$500 from what I have read. Often it takes more than one attempt - sometimes several - just like conventional methods. If you can afford AI you are probably in better financial shape to afford the child costs overall.

tazzygirl -> RE: child support case (1/3/2013 10:16:17 PM)
Yes, because of the laws, she would technically not know who the father was, and could prove it was donated. Its not cheap using invitro as a means to get pregnant. Even with just a physician's help. I doubt with 8 foster kids, they could afford it. So this was their way around the money issue... and the laws... and it bit them in the ass.

tj444 -> RE: child support case (1/3/2013 10:25:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Yes, because of the laws, she would technically not know who the father was, and could prove it was donated. Its not cheap using invitro as a means to get pregnant. Even with just a physician's help. I doubt with 8 foster kids, they could afford it. So this was their way around the money issue... and the laws... and it bit them in the ass. I dont think it mattered to the women/moms, they still get support from the state dont they?.. from what I read, it was only the guy that got "bit in the ass" since he is the one being sued by the state now.. if he had just been a one night stand picked up at a bar and given a fake name, his name would not be known and not sued..

theRose4U -> RE: child support case (1/3/2013 11:22:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 . if he had just been a one night stand picked up at a bar and given a fake name, his name would not be known and not sued.. I have seen cases where lawyers were seeking "joey with yankee tattoo from x bar june 12" for parental termination & child support. It does happen.

LadyPact -> RE: child support case (1/3/2013 11:55:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl ~FR Just a thought. What is to prevent a couple who have had a relationship, including sexual, from drawing up such a form privately, claiming to have donated the sperm, to get the state to afford to pay for all expenses? There are rules for a reason. I dont always agree with all the rules. In this, they circumvented the laws to save money, ignored the rules, then cried wolf when they got caught. Sorry, I have no sympathy for the guy. I have to say that I do feel sorry for him. I can absolutely see that he was just trying to have good intentions so that the couple could have a child that would biologically belong to the mother. Yes, they had foster kids and adopted children, but I can also understand them wanting to go through the pregnancy and birth process. No, the guy didn't research what the laws were around sperm donation and the necessary requirements for artificial insemination. That's unfortunate. At the same time, I don't think the law was written for cases like this one.

NuevaVida -> RE: child support case (1/4/2013 8:10:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl ~FR Just a thought. What is to prevent a couple who have had a relationship, including sexual, from drawing up such a form privately, claiming to have donated the sperm, to get the state to afford to pay for all expenses? There are rules for a reason. I dont always agree with all the rules. In this, they circumvented the laws to save money, ignored the rules, then cried wolf when they got caught. Sorry, I have no sympathy for the guy. This was one of my first thoughts. The requirement of going through proper channels, as it were, is to prevent people from doing the above, and it also prevents "dead beat dad" types from saying, "Hey, I was just donating sperm - it wasn't actually a relationship." Seems nobody in this story thought things through very well. There are systems in place for a reason - trying to circumvent these systems opens one up to risk. I have a feeling laws will be reviewed and rewritten as a result of this.

tazzygirl -> RE: child support case (1/4/2013 9:43:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl ~FR Just a thought. What is to prevent a couple who have had a relationship, including sexual, from drawing up such a form privately, claiming to have donated the sperm, to get the state to afford to pay for all expenses? There are rules for a reason. I dont always agree with all the rules. In this, they circumvented the laws to save money, ignored the rules, then cried wolf when they got caught. Sorry, I have no sympathy for the guy. I have to say that I do feel sorry for him. I can absolutely see that he was just trying to have good intentions so that the couple could have a child that would biologically belong to the mother. Yes, they had foster kids and adopted children, but I can also understand them wanting to go through the pregnancy and birth process. No, the guy didn't research what the laws were around sperm donation and the necessary requirements for artificial insemination. That's unfortunate. At the same time, I don't think the law was written for cases like this one. I agree that they werent written for cases like this. And I have no problem with the intentions of everyone concerned. I do have problems that none of them, seemingly, bothered to research the complications that could arise.

tazzygirl -> RE: child support case (1/4/2013 9:45:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Yes, because of the laws, she would technically not know who the father was, and could prove it was donated. Its not cheap using invitro as a means to get pregnant. Even with just a physician's help. I doubt with 8 foster kids, they could afford it. So this was their way around the money issue... and the laws... and it bit them in the ass. I dont think it mattered to the women/moms, they still get support from the state dont they?.. from what I read, it was only the guy that got "bit in the ass" since he is the one being sued by the state now.. if he had just been a one night stand picked up at a bar and given a fake name, his name would not be known and not sued.. Im not so sure its just the dad getting bit. Looks like dad will now have to pay child support, which gives him visitation rights. I cannot imagine he is happy about any of this. Nor can I imagine the mom is now having a man she never had a relationship with now sharing responsibilities for raising a child.

littlewonder -> RE: child support case (1/4/2013 9:59:02 AM)
So how much was this guy paid for his sperm? I guess it just goes to show, those desperate enough for money will do whatever it takes without thinking of the consequences. If he was not paid for his sperm, well then all I can say is, he really did not think it through very well.

NuevaVida -> RE: child support case (1/4/2013 10:25:04 AM)
The article says they offered $50 but he did it for free.

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