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naughtynick81 -> RE: Male victimization in modern society. (1/10/2013 3:00:44 PM)

All it comes down to is that women are the favoured gender. There is one hell of a lot of favourtism towards women in society. It's up to people to acknowledge this. Most make excuses for it or are just in knee jerk denials over it.




ccc3333 -> RE: Male victimization in modern society. (1/10/2013 3:01:26 PM)

I don't disagree with the prosecution of all the rapists. I do disagree with the carte blanche that women get, i feel that if someone does allege falsely, they should be jailed for as long as the people who actually comitted the crime. Life and time is priceless... they are screwing with people's lives.


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

there are 4 million hits on google for "jailed for false rape accusations. The top one says a woman was jailed for 20 months for doing it... so yeah they can and do get jail... not often enough, but they do..
Funny when you consider that only 2 % of accused rapists ever actually get time for their crimes, that is actually go to trial.






Aswad -> RE: Male victimization in modern society. (1/10/2013 3:24:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: naughtynick81

There is no point debating with people who are dead set biased.


... hence, it should be obvious by now why fewer and fewer people bother to debate with you.

There is a subtle problem brewing, and pointing it out is made nearly impossible by arguments such as yours.

IWYW,
— Aswad.



PeonForHer -> RE: Male victimization in modern society. (1/10/2013 3:44:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ccc3333

I don't disagree with the prosecution of all the rapists. I do disagree with the carte blanche that women get, i feel that if someone does allege falsely, they should be jailed for as long as the people who actually comitted the crime. Life and time is priceless... they are screwing with people's lives.



The problem is that women are in general all too loath to bring charges and, even if they do, the chances are still against them. The onus of proof is on the accuser and rape still tends to occur most often where there aren't any witnesses. You know how it goes.



PeonForHer -> RE: Male victimization in modern society. (1/10/2013 4:13:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ZWarren

This entire topic is intellectually bankrupt.


No. The entire topic is bent out of shape in so many ways that it makes a plate of spaghetti look neat. But intellectually bankrupt - that's not true. It needs an *awful* lot of straightening out, though, I'll give you that.



jlf1961 -> RE: Male victimization in modern society. (1/10/2013 4:30:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


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ORIGINAL: ZWarren

This entire topic is intellectually bankrupt.


No. The entire topic is bent out of shape in so many ways that it makes a plate of spaghetti look neat. But intellectually bankrupt - that's not true. It needs an *awful* lot of straightening out, though, I'll give you that.


The only thing that will straighten this thread out is if the earth is hit by an asteroid the size of mars.



naughtynick81 -> RE: Male victimization in modern society. (1/10/2013 4:31:29 PM)

When the topic of domestic violence comes up, it never ceases to amaze me that when it's about male victims, people make the topic about pointing fingers at men. When it comes to female victims, people make the topic about pointing fingers at men.

Regards what way the topic on DV is going, the finger pointing seems to be towards men while whatever women do wrong is totally out of the picture and topic.




Aylee -> RE: Male victimization in modern society. (1/10/2013 4:32:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: naughtynick81

It's so funny how there is sensitivity against slut shaming when it comes to women while people totally turn a blind eye when men are labelled sickos, creeps, dogs, for having a loud sexuality.

I can see who's sexuality is the most liberated here. It's certainly not man's.

It may have been in the mid 90s and earlier but we are living in modern times now.


Thankfully you live far far far from me.  Just so you know, what you just wrote is a huge red flag.  It pretty much states that you are accepting of sexual assault and either have or will in the future, commit it. 

I would also bet that you have been called a creeper or its equivalent. 



naughtynick81 -> RE: Male victimization in modern society. (1/10/2013 4:35:22 PM)

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It pretty much states that you are accepting of sexual assault and either have or will in the future, commit it.


ROFL

You can think all you like, little one.



tazzygirl -> RE: Male victimization in modern society. (1/10/2013 4:59:12 PM)

Women on this thread have admitted

1) Domestic Violence happens between all sexes
2) DV laws are on the books
3) Getting someone to report is the responsibility of the victim UNLESS its public
4) Cops dont need to witness the act to intervene and make an arrest
5) False allegations of rape are a huge problem
6) Slasher movies tend to portray men as the villain, though there are women slasher types.
7) Bad sterotypes go both ways as evidenced by the "bad boy" vs "psycho bitch" phenom
8) Incarcerations for women are rising at a faster rate than men
9) Money talks louder than sexism as evidenced by OJ. Women get off far too lightly as evidenced by Casey Anthony. However, Amy Fisher and Susan Smith prove women dont always get a light sentence.
10) Thats it illegal to deny a man with children the same benefits a woman with children would get under federal and state laws.
11) That there are violence shelters available for men.
12) That women are STILL fighting for combat posts.
13) That politicians only hear those who yell the loudest.. and its those people they want to keep happy to ensure they get re-elected.

I could go on and on and on.

The ONLY one seeing a sexist thread is you.





PeonForHer -> RE: Male victimization in modern society. (1/10/2013 5:02:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: naughtynick81
When the topic of domestic violence comes up, it never ceases to amaze me that when it's about male victims, people make the topic about pointing fingers at men.


Do they? Me, I'd not use the word 'blame'. But I *would* argue that the prime need of my attention in the case of a man like that actor in the video would be the male. Men, whether they're brought up to be 'gentlemen' or whether they're brought up to be thugs, are nonetheless trained to believe that women cannot hurt them. Men are that powerful, you see. Women are just flowers - lovely roses, or nasty flytraps. But they can't hurt us. How could they? They're too small, have feeble muscles and weedy voices, and don't even have dicks.

Fuck's sake, Nick. I keep saying, and you keep ignoring it, that it's not women, nor feminists, that are our enemies. You have these great big cannons, fully loaded, but *so* aimed in the wrong direction. It wasn't feminists that got us slaughtered by our millions in World War 1 and every war after, and it isn't feminists, now, who make our lives a misery. The people who we most need to stop being shits towards us aren't women. It's us - we men. Most of all, it's the powerful men amongst us. Women can be great, or they can be nasty, niggling, gob-shyted twats. Most are somewhere in between. But they don't have any great power over how we forge our lives for ourselves - they never have, and they never will have.



naughtynick81 -> RE: Male victimization in modern society. (1/10/2013 5:09:20 PM)

Peon, it's the fault of everyone (regardless of gender) that has biased mentalities which keeps this kind of sexism prevailing. Women are just as responsible. They aren't children, they get to choose what to think and how to act.

Please stop being like a feminist which comes with the mentality of using the male gender as a multipurpose scapegoat for all gender problems.



tazzygirl -> RE: Male victimization in modern society. (1/10/2013 5:14:25 PM)

If a man is being abused... and no one sees it... what are the chances he will tell anyone?



naughtynick81 -> RE: Male victimization in modern society. (1/10/2013 5:16:46 PM)

Also, it's silly to think a woman can't do damage to a male.

The average woman could easily bust Arnold Schwarzenegger's nose. It doesn't matter if he is stronger, his strength wont save him from getting a busted nose or being kicked in the nuts. Regardless how tough a male is, he's not immune to harm from a woman. Once a person get's the first shot when you're not expecting it, they can pretty much keep the upper hand if they keep it going.



tazzygirl -> RE: Male victimization in modern society. (1/10/2013 5:19:08 PM)

If a man is being abused... and no one sees it... what are the chances he will tell anyone?



PeonForHer -> RE: Male victimization in modern society. (1/10/2013 5:29:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: naughtynick81

Peon, it's the fault of everyone (regardless of gender) that has biased mentalities which keeps this kind of sexism prevailing. Women are just as responsible.


Just as responsible as whom? And why don't I ever see you arguing against these implied others?



tazzygirl -> RE: Male victimization in modern society. (1/10/2013 5:30:59 PM)

Isnt it amazing how he keeps dodging that same question I have asked on more than one thread in more than one way?



naughtynick81 -> RE: Male victimization in modern society. (1/10/2013 5:43:59 PM)

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Isnt it amazing how he keeps dodging that same question I have asked on more than one thread in more than one way?


The same question has been answered over and over again. We have been around circles with this. Discussing this further with you will result in going around the exact same circle that we have been covering. It's pointless, you think the way society deems male victims is all the fault of the male victims, so be it. I disagree and that's all there is about it.

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Just as responsible as whom? And why don't I ever see you arguing against these implied others?


Yeah not like you haven't seen me in here criticising others for finger pointing at men. Anyway, to your question, the fact of the matter is that women can be sexist too. Males aren't the only ones with sexist mentalities. Therefore, women are just as responsible for sexism against men as the men who have similar mentalities. No gender should face all the finger pointing while ignoring the other.

But what else is new, it's politically incorrect to point out anything wrong women do.



tazzygirl -> RE: Male victimization in modern society. (1/10/2013 5:50:17 PM)

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The same question has been answered over and over again. We have been around circles with this. Discussing this further with you will result in going around the exact same circle that we have been covering. It's pointless, you think the way society deems male victims is all the fault of the male victims, so be it. I disagree and that's all there is about it.


You never once answered it directly. So, try again.

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If a man is being abused... and no one sees it... what are the chances he will tell anyone?


Answer... slim to none.

If no one sees it, and no one knows, how can anyone help him?

He HAS to help himself.

If I see it, if I hear it, I can report it. The police can arrest the woman and the man never needs to file a single complaint.

But, if its out of sight, no one knows but him and her.

How is that different than women?

A woman will typically tell someone.

I cant help attitudes. I cant help that he is stuck and getting his ass kicked by some crazy woman. If he doesnt tell me, there isnt a damn thing I, or any other person, can do. No different than a woman getting her ass beat at home. I cant do a damn thing for her if she doesnt tell me its happening. How you find that sexist, I have no clue, except that it works that way in your victim-loaded mind.

And this is the fact that you cant stand, and wont admit.

UNTIL HE HELPS HIMSELF, NO ONE ELSE CAN HELP HIM.



naughtynick81 -> RE: Male victimization in modern society. (1/10/2013 6:04:43 PM)

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You never once answered it directly. So, try again.


We went through 3 pages or more in a row about this earlier in this thread. I've given you very clear answers why there are less males seeking assistance. Even others have explained to you about the attitude a lot of people have towards male victims. But no matter how much I and others point out the reasons, it just goes through one ear and out the other and next thing 5 minutes later you backpeddle and ask the same questions like they never got answered. It's useless.

To prove the point even more about how much people care about male victims, a male is even considered wrong to talk about it in this forum. He's whiny, a misogynist, he's got victim mentality etc etc etc. That alone shows just how concerned society is about male victims.

And yet in your next post we will see you go off once again on your usual tangent about how it's all my fault and the fault of male victims yada yada yada. *yawn*



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