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RE: Al Gore is a disgusting whore - 1/7/2013 10:17:49 AM   
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Stuffing Capitalism into a tin Government-designed box isn't Capitalism. What we have in the USA hasn't been Capitalism, real true conservative Capitalism, for a long time now. Al Gore wants to circumvent the Market and create an economy based on what he thinks is right. While that's all well and good - for him - it doesn't necessarily stand true for everyone in the US/World. And, within Gore's "vision," this isn't a National thing, but a Global thing. So, he's thinking that he's going to set the rules for the World's economy? Megalomania, much?


Gore is being logical when he says he stands for sustainable capitalism because as it implies, current capitalism isn't sustainable, which is true. We are already overconsuming resources to the point our environment can't renew itself and should everyone in the world consume at a rate the average American does, we will require five planets to sustain the current population. Something in the near future is going to give and I suspect it will be capitalism in its current form.

BTW There is no such thing as a free market, that is just propaganda by those who benefit from the current skew capitalist market.

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RE: Al Gore is a disgusting whore - 1/7/2013 11:23:54 AM   
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Stuffing Capitalism into a tin Government-designed box isn't Capitalism. What we have in the USA hasn't been Capitalism, real true conservative Capitalism, for a long time now. Al Gore wants to circumvent the Market and create an economy based on what he thinks is right. While that's all well and good - for him - it doesn't necessarily stand true for everyone in the US/World. And, within Gore's "vision," this isn't a National thing, but a Global thing. So, he's thinking that he's going to set the rules for the World's economy? Megalomania, much?

Gore is being logical when he says he stands for sustainable capitalism because as it implies, current capitalism isn't sustainable, which is true. We are already overconsuming resources to the point our environment can't renew itself and should everyone in the world consume at a rate the average American does, we will require five planets to sustain the current population. Something in the near future is going to give and I suspect it will be capitalism in its current form.


Perhaps what should change, then, is the rate of consumption of the average American, no?

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BTW There is no such thing as a free market, that is just propaganda by those who benefit from the current skew capitalist market.


I know of no one who made that claim here, and understand regulations do need to exist to a certain point for maximum economic production.


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RE: Al Gore is a disgusting whore - 1/7/2013 11:26:53 AM   
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Not really. The Republican capitalist model seems to be based more on asset stripping and credit bubbles, neither of which are very sustainable in the long term.



Simple proof of your lack of insight.

Really? So which Republicans since the turn of the '80s have even suggested (never mind tried) anything else?

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RE: Al Gore is a disgusting whore - 1/7/2013 11:29:36 AM   
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Not really. The Republican capitalist model seems to be based more on asset stripping and credit bubbles, neither of which are very sustainable in the long term.


Simple proof of your lack of insight.

Really? So which Republicans since the turn of the '80s have even suggested (never mind tried) anything else?


Aw, isn't it cute attempting to box me into an argument to get a response you want? Nice try. No dice.

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RE: Al Gore is a disgusting whore - 1/7/2013 11:37:34 AM   
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In all of American political history, has there ever been a politician that was not a whore while in office and when they got voted out?

I agree, this is not news just a slightly partisan attempt to draw parallels between say Gore the capitalist vs Romney the capitalist. Gore never invested in a company to destroy it if necessary to make $million...asmuch by laying off employees or even shifting 1000's of jobs off-shore.

There is little to compare there or with most any equity banker. To my knowledge which is a rare commodity around here. Gore made his fortune by:

Being an heir to the RJR fortune, investing very early in Apple, Intel and Google. It is a complete, partisan lie that he's making $million off fighting man's contribution to the environmental degradation of the planet.

As for selling off a cable loser ? So what else is new...ESPN NEVER made a proft as a stand alone cable channel.

So obviousy, if Gore is a disgusting whore, most of the 1%er's and probably the 5%er's are every bit as much if not more so...disguting whores.

Like Wall street, now there's probably 1000's of disgusting whores I prefer to call greedy, capitalist scum.

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RE: Al Gore is a disgusting whore - 1/7/2013 11:42:12 AM   
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Not really. The Republican capitalist model seems to be based more on asset stripping and credit bubbles, neither of which are very sustainable in the long term.


Simple proof of your lack of insight.

Really? So which Republicans since the turn of the '80s have even suggested (never mind tried) anything else?


Aw, isn't it cute attempting to box me into an argument to get a response you want? Nice try. No dice.

If you're claiming that I'm incorrect because I lack insight into the subtleties of the Republican capitalist model, it behooves you to back that up.

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RE: Al Gore is a disgusting whore - 1/7/2013 11:54:44 AM   
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What exactly is the hypocrisy, never ever has he said he wasn't a capitalist. And I am not hearing that selling his losing network to someone else is a stance against climate change.

Waltz me thru the prob here.  

There isn't a problem here at all, only more partisan swill. Capitalism is NOT free market/enterprise. Capitalism is a paper-economy, 'capitalism' says it all in a way...'paperism.'

The free exchnage of goods and services gets along just fine without the 'capitalist.' The problem occurs when anyone is allowed to turn those goods and services into a piece of paper called stocks and various forms of stock and then bonds (debt) and such other paper devices they can get past the blind regulators.

Then 'capitalism' tries to turn that paper into your money. He does that by getting (buying) congress to pass a tax benefit for the great salaried and presto, $billion a week flow into 11,000 mutual funds.

Wall street bankers have been and are as we type, skimming $60 million/day off what was $9 trillion in retirement funds and now is about $5 trillion. Happy now ?

That's your capitalism and in no way does the capitalist want any part of true free market. They seek to manage and manipulate the market as has been done by both parties to serve paper (equity) values...fuck the jobs.

Look at paper now as compared to say 2007-08.


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RE: Al Gore is a disgusting whore - 1/7/2013 7:16:39 PM   
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Not really. The Republican capitalist model seems to be based more on asset stripping and credit bubbles, neither of which are very sustainable in the long term.


Simple proof of your lack of insight.

Really? So which Republicans since the turn of the '80s have even suggested (never mind tried) anything else?

Aw, isn't it cute attempting to box me into an argument to get a response you want? Nice try. No dice.

If you're claiming that I'm incorrect because I lack insight into the subtleties of the Republican capitalist model, it behooves you to back that up.


You can keep going on with this, but you aren't open to hearing anything I have to say anyway. And, you are asking me to prove you have no insight when you won't substantiate that you do. It'll be a circle jerk with you, man. I'm not into that. It's fine if you are, but it's just not my thing.

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RE: Al Gore is a disgusting whore - 1/8/2013 4:32:21 AM   
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Not really. The Republican capitalist model seems to be based more on asset stripping and credit bubbles, neither of which are very sustainable in the long term.


Simple proof of your lack of insight.

Really? So which Republicans since the turn of the '80s have even suggested (never mind tried) anything else?

Aw, isn't it cute attempting to box me into an argument to get a response you want? Nice try. No dice.

If you're claiming that I'm incorrect because I lack insight into the subtleties of the Republican capitalist model, it behooves you to back that up.


You can keep going on with this, but you aren't open to hearing anything I have to say anyway. And, you are asking me to prove you have no insight when you won't substantiate that you do. It'll be a circle jerk with you, man. I'm not into that. It's fine if you are, but it's just not my thing.

So you can't provide any evidence that the Republican economic model is sustainable, then. Thought so.

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RE: Al Gore is a disgusting whore - 1/8/2013 5:15:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Moonhead
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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Not really. The Republican capitalist model seems to be based more on asset stripping and credit bubbles, neither of which are very sustainable in the long term.


Simple proof of your lack of insight.

Really? So which Republicans since the turn of the '80s have even suggested (never mind tried) anything else?

Aw, isn't it cute attempting to box me into an argument to get a response you want? Nice try. No dice.

If you're claiming that I'm incorrect because I lack insight into the subtleties of the Republican capitalist model, it behooves you to back that up.

You can keep going on with this, but you aren't open to hearing anything I have to say anyway. And, you are asking me to prove you have no insight when you won't substantiate that you do. It'll be a circle jerk with you, man. I'm not into that. It's fine if you are, but it's just not my thing.

So you can't provide any evidence that the Republican economic model is sustainable, then. Thought so.


And the goalposts get moved...

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RE: Al Gore is a disgusting whore - 1/8/2013 6:11:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: Moonhead
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Not really. The Republican capitalist model seems to be based more on asset stripping and credit bubbles, neither of which are very sustainable in the long term.


Simple proof of your lack of insight.

Really? So which Republicans since the turn of the '80s have even suggested (never mind tried) anything else?

Aw, isn't it cute attempting to box me into an argument to get a response you want? Nice try. No dice.

If you're claiming that I'm incorrect because I lack insight into the subtleties of the Republican capitalist model, it behooves you to back that up.

You can keep going on with this, but you aren't open to hearing anything I have to say anyway. And, you are asking me to prove you have no insight when you won't substantiate that you do. It'll be a circle jerk with you, man. I'm not into that. It's fine if you are, but it's just not my thing.

So you can't provide any evidence that the Republican economic model is sustainable, then. Thought so.


And the goalposts get moved...

No, you've been trying to move them for the length of this conversation, and acting arsey because I've refused to let you do so.
Once more: how is the Republican economic approach sustainable for the long term, and how does my saying that it is not show a lack of insight?
Put up or shut up.

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RE: Al Gore is a disgusting whore - 1/8/2013 6:15:01 AM   
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I know of no one who made that claim here, and understand regulations do need to exist to a certain point for maximum economic production.



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Buy it, it will enlighten you.

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RE: Al Gore is a disgusting whore - 1/8/2013 8:43:24 AM   
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No, you've been trying to move them for the length of this conversation, and acting arsey because I've refused to let you do so.
Once more: how is the Republican economic approach sustainable for the long term, and how does my saying that it is not show a lack of insight?
Put up or shut up.


Yeah, you don't want to hear me. I get it.

Your comment was the Republican strategy being "asset stripping and credit bubbles." At no point in time did I say that those two things were sustainable.

Capitalism thrives on "free" Markets (air quotes because the Markets should never be completely free), not Government dictated Markets. You want to include externalities into the cost of a product? Fine. List them. Prove their costs. And, by prove the costs, I mean actual proof, hard data, unquestionable facts.

Is reliance on oil sustainable? Only in the short term, and at present technology. Is Coal sustainable? Not forever. We won't run out of coal in my lifetime, and probably not my kids' lifetimes. Same for Nat. Gas.

The Democrats and Al Gore are desirous of a command economy where Government is the de facto manager of production and manufacturing.

Allowing the Market to dictate what runs the roost and what doesn't is the best way to go. And, allowing the Market to do that, is what Capitalism is all about. Al Gore's "Sustainable Capitalism" isn't Capitalism. It's just a command economy packaged with a pretty name to trick those who don't look into it.

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RE: Al Gore is a disgusting whore - 1/8/2013 8:52:31 AM   
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Capitalism thrives on "free" Markets (air quotes because the Markets should never be completely free), not Government dictated Markets.


Then capitalism is a fucking masturbatory fantasy, because government dictates markets, period.  It is why they exist.



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RE: Al Gore is a disgusting whore - 1/8/2013 8:53:00 AM   
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The Democrats and Al Gore are desirous of a command economy where Government is the de facto manager of production and manufacturing.

Prove it. Let's have some of those hard data and unquestionable facts you're fond of.
Or does that only apply to other posters, and you're free to change the subject at will and talk in meaningless ideological generalisations, while throwing a tantrum if anybody doesn't provide a ream or two of sources if they dare to disagree with you?

(Nice try at moving the goal posts, btw: my talk about credit bubbles, asset stripping and outsourcing being the base of all the watered down Friedmanism that the Republican party has based it's economic policy on since Reagan's first term was referring to that as unsustainable, and didn't mention energy production.)

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RE: Al Gore is a disgusting whore - 1/8/2013 10:59:34 AM   
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Capitalism thrives on "free" Markets (air quotes because the Markets should never be completely free), not Government dictated Markets.

Then capitalism is a fucking masturbatory fantasy, because government dictates markets, period.  It is why they exist.


Government exists because of Markets, or Markets exist because of Government?

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RE: Al Gore is a disgusting whore - 1/8/2013 11:04:59 AM   
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Precisely what is wrong with Al Jazeera buying a cable channel? Is there any rational complaint that can be made?


Comrade Heretic hates global capitalism and free markets.

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RE: Al Gore is a disgusting whore - 1/8/2013 11:54:39 AM   
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Not really. The Republican capitalist model seems to be based more on asset stripping and credit bubbles, neither of which are very sustainable in the long term.

(Nice try at moving the goal posts, btw: my talk about credit bubbles, asset stripping and outsourcing being the base of all the watered down Friedmanism that the Republican party has based it's economic policy on since Reagan's first term was referring to that as unsustainable, and didn't mention energy production.)


I didn't move the goalposts at all. I suppose I could have specified questioning why you think asset stripping and credit bubbles are the basis of Republican Capitalist models, but I doubt we'd have gotten any further than we are now anyway. At no point have I stated that credit bubbles are sustainable. I'm not even completely sure what you are referring to with "asset stripping" although I figure it's a knock on Romney and Bain Capital. And, lest you are unaware, energy policy certainly does have economic impact, and Obama and the D's are certainly trying to end fossil fuel use and increase wind & solar (which is picking winners and losers, and commanding the economy).

Have a great day, Moonhead.

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RE: Al Gore is a disgusting whore - 1/8/2013 12:17:09 PM   
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I'm not even completely sure what you are referring to with "asset stripping" although I figure it's a knock on Romney and Bain Capital.

Next time, admit that you don't understand the question instead of throwing a tantrum, then.

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RE: Al Gore is a disgusting whore - 1/9/2013 4:12:14 PM   
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http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2013/01/2013132255769130.html

It seems Al is more than happy to profit off the global warming industry, any way he can. It's estimated he'll pocket $100 million off the deal, in selling the failed network to the Qatar based Al Jazeera network.

Thank God the American people had the sense to reject this piece of shit, back in 2000.

Time Warner Cable have already announced they'll be dropping the channel from their lineup.


Let's see now....he, according to your own words, sold a "failed network to the Qatar based Al Jazeera network" to someone from outside our shores for 100 million dollar profit (not likely, considering the expenses of same, nevertheless...I'm sure it was a shitload of profit), whereupon, Big Al will more than likely spend that money (again) in the good old U S of A because few other places (based on his past investments) provide as big of a bang for the buck, ergo...he'll be creating jobs (here) doing same....

And this makes him an asshole because...?

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