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RE: US federal budget - 1/6/2013 12:23:10 PM   
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How would you address that


If there were a responsible congress... job retraining and placement in the invigorated economy free of deficit worries could be set up with a gradual implementation of new governmental job cuts.

It has been done in the private sector from time to time by responsible companies downsizing...so it can be done successfully in the federal sector I think.

Butch

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RE: US federal budget - 1/6/2013 12:25:59 PM   
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Contingency Fund" = yet another pot o' money to raid.

But you see if inside a mandatory balanced budget it makes no difference. Without congress funding authorization through direct tax and bonds then there is no war when the contingency fund runs out.
These simple provisions will give the American public more control over these ongoing changing wars because every year the adjusted tax funding will have to be approved by a congress whose reelection depends on them matching their voters wishes.
Oh and by the way...not JUST congressional approval but a congressionally approved funding...two different things in my mind.
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I understand what you are saying, but there is no way that would happen. A "mandatory balanced budget?" Just as "mandatory" as Senate, House and Presidential budgets being passed.

And, who decides if the budget is balanced? The CBO? The CBO that can be gamed? "Oh, we're going to assume 5% tax revenue growth, so there's that much more money we can spend." "It will cost <$1T."

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RE: US federal budget - 1/6/2013 12:26:03 PM   
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You want the budget balanced? Would you like a couple of trillion in budget surplus.

The solution is simple.

Tax every woman with an income of over $75000 five dollars for every pair of shoes they own and $5 for every article of clothing.


~smirks

Master Dinnardin owns far more of both than I do. Sexist!



Women spend $217 per year on makeup, $417 on body care products, $1,069 on clothing, and $250 on shoes for a total of $1,953 per year

So we need to tax women $2.50 for every item of makeup, and $3 for every item of body care products as well

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RE: US federal budget - 1/6/2013 12:27:40 PM   
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And yet there are many who want to cut the social programs that would support those who would be unemployed through no fault of their own.
How would you address that?


Who's responsibility is it to make sure your employer finds value in having you in his/her employ?

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RE: US federal budget - 1/6/2013 12:38:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		We are speaking about those who lose their jobs as a result of downsizing the different departments. Pink slips are eligible for unemployment.. even at the federal level.. along with a host of other services.

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RE: US federal budget - 1/6/2013 12:39:52 PM   
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Women spend $217 per year on makeup, $417 on body care products, $1,069 on clothing, and $250 on shoes for a total of $1,953 per year


LOL

I dont have 1000 to spend on clothes a year.... I have spent 100 on shoes and that will be it.

Taking averages and applying them to every female is... yet again... extremely sexist.

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RE: US federal budget - 1/6/2013 12:41:05 PM   
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How would you address that


If there were a responsible congress... job retraining and placement in the invigorated economy free of deficit worries could be set up with a gradual implementation of new governmental job cuts.

It has been done in the private sector from time to time by responsible companies downsizing...so it can be done successfully in the federal sector I think.

Butch


Hmmm.. an invigorated economy.... that just lost contracts with the market due to downsizing. Think that wont affect the economy?

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RE: US federal budget - 1/6/2013 12:43:57 PM   
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Women spend $217 per year on makeup, $417 on body care products, $1,069 on clothing, and $250 on shoes for a total of $1,953 per year


LOL

I dont have 1000 to spend on clothes a year.... I have spent 100 on shoes and that will be it.

Taking averages and applying them to every female is... yet again... extremely sexist.



Do not women apply judgements that would deal with only one male to the entire male population of the planet?

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RE: US federal budget - 1/6/2013 12:52:10 PM   
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And, who decides if the budget is balanced? The CBO? The CBO that can be gamed? "Oh, we're going to assume 5% tax revenue growth, so there's that much more money we can spend." "It will cost <$1T."


Just as in my city government when money is used up for a designated purpose that is it. Now if they want to re-appropriate money...otherwise move it around by priority ok. If critical expenditures such as fire or police need more money it can be taken from other parts of the budget or temporarily borrowed but this borrowed money would HAVE to be accounted for in the next budget cycle. Limits are set to the amount borrowed so it does not continue to grow from budget cycle to cycle... It works just fine even if now and then projects or wage increases need to be pushed off to the next cycle.

But i also agree a balanced budget amendment has little change of becoming a reality soon. But we are talking proposed long term solutions not if our dumb assed congress of today will implement them.

Butch

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RE: US federal budget - 1/6/2013 12:54:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		tazzy I think it has been shown that when deficit worries recede jobs and business pick up...at least that is the hope.

Nothing is written in stone that’s for sure.

Butch

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RE: US federal budget - 1/6/2013 12:59:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		I must add too... When I say a balanced budget amendment I am not necessarily talking about large cuts. There is no reason the time may come when taxes can reasonably be raised if a balanced budget is passed. If people see a way to pay our bills without continually adding new ones they may be more willing to raise taxes.

Otherwise I am not talking necessarily a Republican view of a balanced budget but a reasonable bipartisan one.

Butch

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RE: US federal budget - 1/6/2013 1:01:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Americans drink 13.15 billion gallons of carbonated drinks every year.

How about a 10 cent federal tax on each soda sold in the US?

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RE: US federal budget - 1/6/2013 1:05:02 PM   
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Could you hear the halleluiahs and organ music in the background as you read the above sentence?

Butch

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RE: US federal budget - 1/6/2013 1:25:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Having a balanced budget will also allow people to directly vote on new entitlements by giving permissions through their vote to raise taxes to accommodate them... and keep or remove them through funding.

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RE: US federal budget - 1/6/2013 1:35:33 PM   
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Women spend $217 per year on makeup, $417 on body care products, $1,069 on clothing, and $250 on shoes for a total of $1,953 per year


LOL

I dont have 1000 to spend on clothes a year.... I have spent 100 on shoes and that will be it.

Taking averages and applying them to every female is... yet again... extremely sexist.



Do not women apply judgements that would deal with only one male to the entire male population of the planet?


I try very hard not to do so. Do you have to lower yourself to that level?

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RE: US federal budget - 1/6/2013 1:37:50 PM   
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tazzy I think it has been shown that when deficit worries recede jobs and business pick up...at least that is the hope.

Nothing is written in stone that’s for sure.

Butch


Problem is... we are now talking about cutting back the hung contract areas especially defense/military/TSA/Homeland Security.

I am not debating the needs for those cuts.

I am simply asking, with that large a work force out of work, plus the cuts in contracts hitting the private sector, (there will be even more cuts in those jobs) how do we take care of all these people?

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RE: US federal budget - 1/6/2013 1:39:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Women spend $217 per year on makeup, $417 on body care products, $1,069 on clothing, and $250 on shoes for a total of $1,953 per year


LOL

I dont have 1000 to spend on clothes a year.... I have spent 100 on shoes and that will be it.

Taking averages and applying them to every female is... yet again... extremely sexist.



Do not women apply judgements that would deal with only one male to the entire male population of the planet?


I try very hard not to do so. Do you have to lower yourself to that level?



Why not, I am only human, as much as I regret that particular genetic mistake.

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RE: US federal budget - 1/6/2013 1:56:48 PM   
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Problem is... we are now talking about cutting back the hung contract areas especially defense/military/TSA/Homeland Security


Are we talking what needs to be done or what realistically will be done. If we are realistic defense is out for cuts period. Now if we are talking what could work then like i said above a balanced budget phased in over say 4 to 8 years will allow a gradual cut in government jobs that will , or could be absorbed in private industry with little trouble.

A gradual phased balanced mandatory budget may not need large reductions in defense or entitlements. I really do think if people see a plan...one that will control and eventually over time eliminate the deficit they will be willing to pay more in taxes to keep their security and existing entitlements.

Most I believe just want a responsible government that can control their spending and if they see it being mandatory they will open their wallets for progress. Now they see no end to spending and war as far as that goes. That is why i like the war tax idea.

Butch


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RE: US federal budget - 1/6/2013 1:59:19 PM   
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Problem is... we are now talking about cutting back the hung contract areas especially defense/military/TSA/Homeland Security


Are we talking what needs to be done or what realistically will be done. If we are realistic defense is out for cuts period. Now if we are talking what could work then like i said above a balanced budget phased in over say 4 to 8 years will allow a gradual cut in government jobs that will , or could be absorbed in private industry with little trouble.

A gradual phased balanced mandatory budget may not need large reductions in defense or entitlements. I really do think if people see a plan...one that will control and eventually over time eliminate the deficit they will be willing to pay more in taxes to keep their security and existing entitlements.

Most I believe just want a responsible government that can control their spending and if they see it being mandatory they will open their wallets for progress. Now they see no end to spending and war as far as that goes. That is why i like the war tax idea.

Butch




The United States spends 58% of the total amount spent for defense by all countries on the planet.

What I wan to know is, who in the fuck do we need all that to defend against?

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RE: US federal budget - 1/6/2013 2:00:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Women spend $217 per year on makeup, $417 on body care products, $1,069 on clothing, and $250 on shoes for a total of $1,953 per year


LOL

I dont have 1000 to spend on clothes a year.... I have spent 100 on shoes and that will be it.

Taking averages and applying them to every female is... yet again... extremely sexist.



Do not women apply judgements that would deal with only one male to the entire male population of the planet?


I try very hard not to do so. Do you have to lower yourself to that level?



Why not, I am only human, as much as I regret that particular genetic mistake.


I am truly wondering at this point. As a joke, I could see it being funny.. even said so about something you posted. But, I realized you were not joking... which is extremely offensive.

It is your choice to go there or not. You made that choice to go there.

~shrugs

Own it.

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