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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro
Considering that there are over 200 million firearms in the US public sector and growing, I fail to see where the destruction of the weapons purchased by the police would have even the slightest impact on the number of weapons, to me it just more NRA paranoia.
By the way, Police destory thousand of weapons yearly as they are no longer needed as evidence, no owners, etc.

Not sure if your comments are actually in response to me or not, but you didn't read for comprehension.

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I support the NRA filing suit to prevent the destruction. I can't even imagine why you wouldn't agree with me. In the end, I can't see the NRA winning, but I can see the matter of the law being better understood/defined. I do think those guns would be destroyed - and rightly so - in the end, and there would be a more clear path going forward.

Notice the bolded part? The reason I support the suit isn't because I don't think the guns should be destroyed - that's up to the PD, IMO - but the end result of a suit should produce a clearer understanding of the law in question. This will prevent future suits.

As long as a PD is following the law in gaining and destroying firearms, I have absolutely no issue with it. None. Not a one.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

During the D C gun ban the murder RATE doubled while it was dropping everyplace else

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro


My point is that this activities, Police purchasing weapons has been going on for some time. Now the NRA wants to stop what is a private affair. There is no requirement for any gun owner to sell, so if someone wants to for what ever reason that is their business, not the NRA.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

~FR

Chicago crime rate

Homicides in Chicago

1965: 395[6]
1974: 970[7]
1990: 851[8]
1991: 927[9]
1992: 943[9]
1993: 855[9]
1994: 931[9]
1995: 828[9]
1996: 796[9]
1997: 761[9]
1998: 704[9]
1999: 643[9]
2000: 633[9]
2001: 667[9]
2002: 656[9]
2003: 601[9]
2004: 453[9]
2005: 451[9]
2006: 471[9]
2007: 448[9]
2008: 513[9]
2009: 459[9]
2010: 436[9]
2011: 435[9]
2012: 506[10]



Bolded are the years when homicide numbers were higher than 2012. I really wish people would fact check the bullshit they read on blog sites.

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Controling violence by banning "bad" guns is like controling iceburgs by "only" banning what is above the waterline.

And since violence only started with the invention of firearms, it should work out perfectly.

oh please, where on earth did I say violence can be controlled by banning guns
Oh... and paranoia is not "logic"...

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

~FR

Violent crime

The reported US violent crime rate includes only Aggravated Assault, whereas the Canadian violent crime rate includes all categories of assault, including the much-more-numerous Assault level 1 (i.e., assault not using a weapon and not resulting in serious bodily harm).[34][35] A Canadian government study concluded that direct comparison of the 2 countries' violent crime totals or rates was "inappropriate".[46]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States#Violent_crime

United Kingdom


Violent crime rates in the UK

Includes all violence against the person, sexual offences, and robbery as violent crime.[8]

United States
The United States Department of Justice Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) counts five categories of crime as violent crimes: murder, rape, robbery, aggravated assault, and simple assault. It should be noted that these crimes are taken from two separate reports, the Uniform Crime Report (UCR) and the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS), and that these do not look at exactly the same crimes. The UCR measures crimes reported to police, and looks at Aggravated assault, forcible rape, murder, and robbery. The NCVS measures crimes reported by households surveyed by the United States Census Bureau, and looks at assault, rape, and robbery.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violent_crime#cite_note-8

When countries define a term differently, statistics dont mean shit.

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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

Paranoia feeds on paranoia, this bloke has bundles of it. It would be hillarious if it wasn't so serious.

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US: DynCorp Disgrace

by Kelly Patricia O'Meara, Insight Magazine
January 14th, 2002


Middle-aged men having sex with 12- to 15-year-olds was too much for Ben Johnston, a hulking 6-foot-5-inch Texan, and more than a year ago he blew the whistle on his employer, DynCorp, a U.S. contracting company doing business in Bosnia.

According to the Racketeer Influenced Corrupt Organization Act (RICO) lawsuit filed in Texas on behalf of the former DynCorp aircraft mechanic, "in the latter part of 1999 Johnston learned that employees and supervisors from DynCorpwere engaging in perverse, illegal and inhumane behavior [and] were purchasing illegal weapons, women, forged passports and [participating in other immoral acts. Johnston witnessed coworkers and supervisors literally buying and selling women for their own personal enjoyment, and employees would brag about the various ages and talents of the individual slaves they had purchased."

Rather than acknowledge and reward Johnston's effort to get this behavior stopped, DynCorp fired him, forcing him into protective custody by the U.S. Army Criminal Investigation Division (CID) until the investigators could get him safely out of Kosovo and returned to the United States.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/08/alex-jones-piers-morgan-cops-crackheads_n_2432839.html
with his video made after the show...free speech..and paranoia, makes for interesting stuff
He continued that he'd been confronted by someone with "violence in the eyes" who he suspected was an undercover police officer, and that he'd seen undercover officers throughout his stay in New York.
"I think we're being cased," his videographer added. Jones then said that he might be murdered in an undercover operation.
"The way this'll work is, 'oh, see here they were protesting gun grabs and some crack dealers shot them,'" he said. "These people clearly work for Bloomberg ... it was just super-creepy ... If something happens to us, we're killed by crackheads, it was the NYPD or the mafia they hired, period," Jones said. "...This city runs white slaves, that's sex slaves, out of here all day, narcotics, you name it. This is mafia central."
Jones ended on a rallying note.
"I'm not afraid of you," he said. "I came here and I got in your redcoat usurper hatchet man's face and I told him to go to hell!"

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funny isn't it that you never said anything like this earlier when you were pretending I was claiming 3 time as many crimes in the uk
I guess anyport in a storm remember that at that time you agreed that the violent crime rate was 3.5 times ours or are you having a conveinent memory lapse and thanks for document the fact that chicago is bucking the national trend of less violence besides that 3.5 to one ratio was determined by comparing comprable crimes a please tell me when I once mentioned Canadian rates , I haven't seen states on them and can't comment

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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funny isn't it that you never said anything like this earlier when you were pretending I was claiming 3 time as many crimes in the uk
I guess anyport in a storm remember that at that time you agreed that the violent crime rate was 3.5 times ours or are you having a conveinent memory lapse and thanks for document the fact that chicago is bucking the national trend of less violence besides that 3.5 to one ratio was determined by comparing comprable crimes a please tell me when I once mentioned Canadian rates , I haven't seen states on them and can't comment

Oh please, since you have a severely warped tendency of believing people agree with you, show me exactly where I said those figures were right.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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funny isn't it that you never said anything like this earlier when you were pretending I was claiming 3 time as many crimes in the uk
I guess anyport in a storm remember that at that time you agreed that the violent crime rate was 3.5 times ours or are you having a conveinent memory lapse and thanks for document the fact that chicago is bucking the national trend of less violence besides that 3.5 to one ratio was determined by comparing comprable crimes a please tell me when I once mentioned Canadian rates , I haven't seen states on them and can't comment

Oh please, since you have a severely warped tendency of believing people agree with you, show me exactly where I said those figures were right.

it's your memory that's off I'm not going to waste time proving something that you will deny, and I've never seen you dismiss anyone who agreed with you

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I was asked for a statement showing anyone in authority favored widespread gun confiscation but didn't think they would be stupid enough to actually say it
Ckeck
thisbluemarble.com eric holder on gun control

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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funny isn't it that you never said anything like this earlier when you were pretending I was claiming 3 time as many crimes in the uk
I guess anyport in a storm remember that at that time you agreed that the violent crime rate was 3.5 times ours or are you having a conveinent memory lapse and thanks for document the fact that chicago is bucking the national trend of less violence besides that 3.5 to one ratio was determined by comparing comprable crimes a please tell me when I once mentioned Canadian rates , I haven't seen states on them and can't comment

Oh please, since you have a severely warped tendency of believing people agree with you, show me exactly where I said those figures were right.

it's your memory that's off I'm not going to waste time proving something that you will deny, and I've never seen you dismiss anyone who agreed with you

Because, once again, you cant.

Now you see why so many call you on the posts you try and bullshit off as factual?

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I was asked for a statement showing anyone in authority favored widespread gun confiscation but didn't think they would be stupid enough to actually say it
Ckeck
thisbluemarble.com eric holder on gun control

No, you were asked to show where the total banning bills are. You have yet to show one. That is what is meant by... its not on the table... there are no laws being proposed to ban ALL guns.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
if violence cannot be controled with gun bans then the only reason to support them is your self proclaimed hatred of them nice rational basis

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I was asked for a statement showing anyone in authority favored widespread gun confiscation but didn't think they would be stupid enough to actually say it
Ckeck
thisbluemarble.com eric holder on gun control

No, you were asked to show where the total banning bills are. You have yet to show one. That is what is meant by... its not on the table... there are no laws being proposed to ban ALL guns.