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RE: Cathoic Church earns $500,000 per molesteted child... - 1/11/2013 7:34:50 PM   
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But, linking the Catholic Church - as a whole - to "agreeing to the [molestations]," you are dead ass wrong.


Oh? When the Pope knew.. and still did nothing?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8612457.stm

There are many things I would be willing to reconsider changing my mind on... This will never be one of them.

The Catholic Church, by ignoring a problem they knew was happening, by moving Priests arounds.. and yes, that article also responds to your belief that they are limited access to children after they are known....

Damn, I really can NOT believe you are even trying to say the Church didnt know.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129902338

Even the Pope admits the Church didnt do enough or act fast enough.

So, while you may get pissy and upset with the notion that your beloved Church is seen as a pedophile haven... get used it to. Its facts.



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RE: Cathoic Church earns $500,000 per molesteted child... - 1/11/2013 7:41:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		While the catholic church got in the headlines for the way it dealt with priests who were molesting children, other religions were doing the same thing.

The problem of men of the clothe taking advantage of those within the flock so to speak is one of long history.

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RE: Cathoic Church earns $500,000 per molesteted child... - 1/11/2013 7:45:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh, I am not saying others did not... they certainly did. I am merely saying that Planned Parenthood is to abortions what the Catholic Church is to pedophilia... another service they provide.

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RE: Cathoic Church earns $500,000 per molesteted child... - 1/11/2013 7:59:08 PM   
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RE: Cathoic Church earns $500,000 per molesteted child... - 1/11/2013 7:59:52 PM   
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RE: Cathoic Church earns $500,000 per molesteted child... - 1/11/2013 8:57:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

But, linking the Catholic Church - as a whole - to "agreeing to the [molestations]," you are dead ass wrong.


quote:

Oh? When the Pope knew.. and still did nothing?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8612457.stm

There are many things I would be willing to reconsider changing my mind on... This will never be one of them.


The Department of Ed knows and has known.

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The Catholic Church, by ignoring a problem they knew was happening, by moving Priests arounds.. and yes, that article also responds to your belief that they are limited access to children after they are known....


The eduation departments have done that as well.

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Damn, I really can NOT believe you are even trying to say the Church didnt know.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129902338


Damn, I really can NOT believe you are not more pissed off at our public education system.  They knew and they have covered it up.

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Even the Pope admits the Church didnt do enough or act fast enough.


Funny. . . no one is willing to speak for this kids.

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So, while you may get pissy and upset with the notion that your beloved Church is seen as a pedophile haven... get used it to. Its facts.


Darn skippy!  Are you a pedophile?  Become a teacher!  We will help you to do it!


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RE: Cathoic Church earns $500,000 per molesteted child... - 1/11/2013 9:16:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
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But, linking the Catholic Church - as a whole - to "agreeing to the [molestations]," you are dead ass wrong.

Oh? When the Pope knew.. and still did nothing?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8612457.stm
There are many things I would be willing to reconsider changing my mind on... This will never be one of them.
The Catholic Church, by ignoring a problem they knew was happening, by moving Priests arounds.. and yes, that article also responds to your belief that they are limited access to children after they are known....
Damn, I really can NOT believe you are even trying to say the Church didnt know.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129902338
Even the Pope admits the Church didnt do enough or act fast enough.
So, while you may get pissy and upset with the notion that your beloved Church is seen as a pedophile haven... get used it to. Its facts.


Two things:
    1. I didn't say no one in the Catholic Church knew, but I'm sure there were some in the hierarchy that didn't know, and you're simply throwing them under the bus with the ones that did know.
    2. It most certainly isn't my beloved Church. Notice my post where I said I was raised Catholic and left due to the hypocrisies within the Church.


How many PP's offer help with abortive services? How many Catholic Churches knowingly housed pedophiles? The percentages will not match. I'm more than willing to jump all over the Catholic Church, but I won't do so with disingenuous arguments. You stated that you didn't agree with the OP, yet, you haven't stated why or commented against the OP's assertion. But, you felt it necessary to "correct" me, even though we both disagree with the OP?!?

You are showing your stripes.

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RE: Cathoic Church earns $500,000 per molesteted child... - 1/11/2013 9:33:02 PM   
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Two things:
1. I didn't say no one in the Catholic Church knew, but I'm sure there were some in the hierarchy that didn't know, and you're simply throwing them under the bus with the ones that did know.
2. It most certainly isn't my beloved Church. Notice my post where I said I was raised Catholic and left due to the hypocrisies within the Church.


The Pope knew. Hard to get much higher than that.

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How many PP's offer help with abortive services?


Those that do not give them refer to other places, their own and other abortion clinics that do.

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How many Catholic Churches knowingly housed pedophiles?


The Pope knew. Head honcho... the big cheese.. the man in charge.

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You stated that you didn't agree with the OP, yet, you haven't stated why or commented against the OP's assertion.


Because the Church makes their money from donations and property they own. Very little of it comes from federal funding, and what does typically goes right back out in services to the poor.

PP gets 1/3 of its funding, roughly, from federal grants and contracts. As a percentage, PP gets far more than the Catholic Church. Which is why I do not support his argument... the monetary values are way off.

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RE: Cathoic Church earns $500,000 per molesteted child... - 1/11/2013 10:44:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Perhaps a goal of the Catholic Church isn't to molest children?

I rather suspect that it is.

The Catholic Church has for centuries been pared down, dimishing their power. They had to give up their own armed forces. The Knights Templar were destroyed. Other military orders of the church also were disarmed. Then came protestantism. And freedom of religion, and immigrations of barbaric peoples into the civilized Christian countries. And now people are being turned away from the Catholic Church by these many child molestation cases.

I think that there is reason to suspect that some group or groups have been whittling away at the Church for centuries - say since the Crusades. Likely they also have infiltrated the Church for centuries and now are turning a blind eye to the activities of these child molesting priests.

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RE: Cathoic Church earns $500,000 per molesteted child... - 1/12/2013 4:22:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
quote:

But, linking the Catholic Church - as a whole - to "agreeing to the [molestations]," you are dead ass wrong.

Oh? When the Pope knew.. and still did nothing?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8612457.stm
There are many things I would be willing to reconsider changing my mind on... This will never be one of them.
The Catholic Church, by ignoring a problem they knew was happening, by moving Priests arounds.. and yes, that article also responds to your belief that they are limited access to children after they are known....
Damn, I really can NOT believe you are even trying to say the Church didnt know.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129902338
Even the Pope admits the Church didnt do enough or act fast enough.
So, while you may get pissy and upset with the notion that your beloved Church is seen as a pedophile haven... get used it to. Its facts.


Two things:
    1. I didn't say no one in the Catholic Church knew, but I'm sure there were some in the hierarchy that didn't know, and you're simply throwing them under the bus with the ones that did know.
    2. It most certainly isn't my beloved Church. Notice my post where I said I was raised Catholic and left due to the hypocrisies within the Church.


How many PP's offer help with abortive services? How many Catholic Churches knowingly housed pedophiles? The percentages will not match. I'm more than willing to jump all over the Catholic Church, but I won't do so with disingenuous arguments. You stated that you didn't agree with the OP, yet, you haven't stated why or commented against the OP's assertion. But, you felt it necessary to "correct" me, even though we both disagree with the OP?!?

You are showing your stripes.



I never thought of the hypocrisies of the Mother Church as a reason to stop going to mass, but I guess it was the hypocrisy of some of the members of the parish that bugged me.

My biggest problem with the church was due to the conflicts between what the church taught and the history of the period when Jesus was alive. I always had questions and never hesitated to ask them. (I was reading history books by the time I was six, my grandmother taught me to read as soon as I learned the ABC's)

As a child, I got half answers. That didnt work when I became an adult.

Right now my biggest problem is with organized religion, all of em claim to believe in the bible, but it seems that each one has a different one... or more precisely, they all have the same one, but some of the things I have heard various denominations say that the bible says, never jived with what I read.

As far as child molestation and religion, it has happened in every denomination since the reformation. Men of the clothe are human, and as such are prone to the temptation to abuse the trust.

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RE: Cathoic Church earns $500,000 per molesteted child... - 1/12/2013 5:29:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		And, yes, Aylee, it has happened in the DOE.. it happens in home schools and private schools and charter schools.. ect ect ect.

The OP was about the Church and PP.

And that is what I focused on.

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RE: Cathoic Church earns $500,000 per molesteted child... - 1/12/2013 5:33:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Good morning tazzy.

Now why would you want to focus on the points the op raised?

Personally, I fail to see how the two can be related. I mean comparing child molestation to planned parenthood just does not seem to be a reasonable one at all.

But then I have been up since 630 yesterday morning.

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RE: Cathoic Church earns $500,000 per molesteted child... - 1/12/2013 5:34:28 AM   
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Two things:
1. I didn't say no one in the Catholic Church knew, but I'm sure there were some in the hierarchy that didn't know, and you're simply throwing them under the bus with the ones that did know.
2. It most certainly isn't my beloved Church. Notice my post where I said I was raised Catholic and left due to the hypocrisies within the Church.

The Pope knew. Hard to get much higher than that.


Was there some sort of memo passed down to all the members of the cloth? If not, how is it that every person within the hierarchy knows? Yes, the Pope knew. Yes, the Pope didn't do enough (or much) about it. That isn't enough to claim that every single leader of every single church within the Catholic religion knew and did nothing.

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quote:

How many PP's offer help with abortive services?

Those that do not give them refer to other places, their own and other abortion clinics that do.


Exactly. Every single PP provides help with abortive services, even if they don't do them themselves.

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How many Catholic Churches knowingly housed pedophiles?

The Pope knew. Head honcho... the big cheese.. the man in charge.


The Catholic cloth isn't the Borg. Because the guy at the top knows doesn't mean all the rest know.

quote:

quote:

You stated that you didn't agree with the OP, yet, you haven't stated why or commented against the OP's assertion.

Because the Church makes their money from donations and property they own. Very little of it comes from federal funding, and what does typically goes right back out in services to the poor.
PP gets 1/3 of its funding, roughly, from federal grants and contracts. As a percentage, PP gets far more than the Catholic Church. Which is why I do not support his argument... the monetary values are way off.


So, you're only disagreeing with him on the basis that the $$ isn't comparable?!?

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RE: Cathoic Church earns $500,000 per molesteted child... - 1/12/2013 5:37:01 AM   
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Good morning tazzy.

Now why would you want to focus on the points the op raised?

Personally, I fail to see how the two can be related. I mean comparing child molestation to planned parenthood just does not seem to be a reasonable one at all.

But then I have been up since 630 yesterday morning.


Because someone went to such great pains to try and paint PP as a provider of abortive services, as if that were the only thing they do.

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RE: Cathoic Church earns $500,000 per molesteted child... - 1/12/2013 5:38:45 AM   
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The Catholic cloth isn't the Borg. Because the guy at the top knows doesn't mean all the rest know.


In the Catholic Church, a priest, deacon, or bishop may be dismissed from the clerical state as a penalty for certain grave offenses, or by a papal decree granted for grave reasons

How much graver did it need to get.

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RE: Cathoic Church earns $500,000 per molesteted child... - 1/12/2013 5:46:22 AM   
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The Catholic cloth isn't the Borg. Because the guy at the top knows doesn't mean all the rest know.


In the Catholic Church, a priest, deacon, or bishop may be dismissed from the clerical state as a penalty for certain grave offenses, or by a papal decree granted for grave reasons

How much graver did it need to get.



The priests and other members of the Mother Church who helped Nazi war criminals get out of Europe were not defrocked. Neither was the Cardinal in Rome that was involved in the black market during ww2.

Of course the Cardinal was buying medicine that went to the people of Rome, German troops, and other individuals.

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RE: Cathoic Church earns $500,000 per molesteted child... - 1/12/2013 5:56:27 AM   
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The Catholic cloth isn't the Borg. Because the guy at the top knows doesn't mean all the rest know.

In the Catholic Church, a priest, deacon, or bishop may be dismissed from the clerical state as a penalty for certain grave offenses, or by a papal decree granted for grave reasons
How much graver did it need to get.


Hold on a second. How does your response have anything to do with my statement you quoted?

I am not supporting the response by the Pope. I am not supporting the blind eye turning by all who knew. I'm claiming that every cloth member of the Catholic faith didn't know, so you can't paint the entire Church the same way.

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Because someone went to such great pains to try and paint PP as a provider of abortive services, as if that were the only thing they do.


I'm going to assume you are referring to me, because I'm the only one that you're arguing with about PP. And, I'm not sure why you singled me out when the OP set the PP:abortion :: Catholic Church:pedophilia analogy. I responded against the OP's assertions, and then you say I'm the one that "went to such great pains?!?!?"



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RE: Cathoic Church earns $500,000 per molesteted child... - 1/12/2013 5:59:49 AM   
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Most of the priests, unless my understanding is wrong, were moved to positions with less opportunity to continue molesting kids.


Which is THE PROBLEM. Those priests SHOULD HAVE been arrested, and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law FOR RAPING CHILDREN....

"Moving them around" to conceal their CHILD RAPE, and protect them from the legal ramifications of their choice to RAPE CHILDREN, is clearly supporting their actions.

Otherwise, don't you just call a cop and tell him that Priest ABC is raping children?

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RE: Cathoic Church earns $500,000 per molesteted child... - 1/12/2013 6:15:35 AM   
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I never thought of the hypocrisies of the Mother Church as a reason to stop going to mass, but I guess it was the hypocrisy of some of the members of the parish that bugged me.


I would switch churches if it was simply a problem within a specific church. Since the issues I had was with actual Church Dogma, switching churches wouldn't have helped a bit. Switching to a faith whose dogma didn't have blatant hypocrisies was my response. I have yet to find one that doesn't, however. Some are worse than others.

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As a child, I got half answers. That didnt work when I became an adult.


Me: Why do you pray to Mary?

Them: "She was Jesus' mother."

Me: So what?

Them: "You listen to your mother, don't you?"

Me: What?!?!?
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Me: Why do you pray to Mary and the Saints?

Them: "For help."

Me: Do they, themselves, help you?

Them: "No. The help comes from Jesus."

Me: Why don't you just pray to Jesus?

Them: <hem, haw, stammer> "Because having more people asking Jesus for you is better."

Me: Huh?!?
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Me: Why do I have to go to a priest to ask forgiveness?

Them: "So he can molest you"... NO!! That wasn't the answer! "He represents God."

Me: So? He can't absolve me of my sins, or forgive me.

Them: "He stands in for God and represents your forgiveness to God."

Me: What happens if I pray to God, directly, and ask forgiveness of my sins?

Them:

Right now my biggest problem is with organized religion, all of em claim to believe in the bible, but it seems that each one has a different one... or more precisely, they all have the same one, but some of the things I have heard various denominations say that the bible says, never jived with what I read.


The problem isn't that they all have their own version of the Bible. The Bible itself isn't different (though translations are supposed to be written to assist people in understanding what is written), but the translations are. You can be essentially kicked out of a church if you're not preaching their chosen translation. I've seen that happen. It would be as if you could only preach Billy Graham's interpretation and not Benny Hinn's. That's where I tend to bug out.


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RE: Cathoic Church earns $500,000 per molesteted child... - 1/12/2013 6:27:11 AM   
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Hold on a second. How does your response have anything to do with my statement you quoted?


Because you stated....

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Was there some sort of memo passed down to all the members of the cloth? If not, how is it that every person within the hierarchy knows? Yes, the Pope knew. Yes, the Pope didn't do enough (or much) about it. That isn't enough to claim that every single leader of every single church within the Catholic religion knew and did nothing.


The Pope is the final law and word of that religion. You cant have that kind of power without the responsibilities behind it. HE knew... HE did nothing.. therefore the CHURCH supported that position.

Or are you saying that Papal law and decree mean nothing anymore?

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I am not supporting the response by the Pope. I am not supporting the blind eye turning by all who knew. I'm claiming that every cloth member of the Catholic faith didn't know, so you can't paint the entire Church the same way.


When one is in charge, making all the decisions, and has the power to stop something, and does nothing to stop it, then that organization IS allowing it to happen.

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I'm going to assume you are referring to me, because I'm the only one that you're arguing with about PP. And, I'm not sure why you singled me out when the OP set the PP:abortion :: Catholic Church:pedophilia analogy. I responded against the OP's assertions, and then you say I'm the one that "went to such great pains?!?!?"


Because your views on abortion tend to paint your posts any time its brought up.

PP isnt just a "provider of abortive services". That was a very deep dig at an organization that does a whole lot more for the community it serves, while trying to excuse/ignore the very real abuse done by another.



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