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You know what? No matter what the anti-America people say and the anti gun people say, it will never dissuade people like me from having guns. I am a liberal, I despise the NRA, I am totally okay with a waiting period, no high powered assault weapons, background checks, you name it, I will vote to prevent anything that puts guns in the wrong hands.

However, I will never relinquish my handguns or my rifles. I will not. It is my right and my duty to protect my home, my animals, and myself. Don't want to then don't but do not tell me otherwise.


“The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles.”

Jeff Cooper~

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The simple fact is the only thing protecting the US civilian population from a potentially opressive government is the fact the US military would almost certainly mutiny before engaging in wholesle slaughter of our own people.

Ah, almost certainly mutiny. Not much equivocation there. I'm sure there are foreign peoples who, at times past, would take exception to your overabundant faith in government controlled forces.

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ORIGINAL: Aynne88

You know what? No matter what the anti-America people say and the anti gun people say, it will never dissuade people like me from having guns. I am a liberal, I despise the NRA, I am totally okay with a waiting period, no high powered assault weapons, background checks, you name it, I will vote to prevent anything that puts guns in the wrong hands.

However, I will never relinquish my handguns or my rifles. I will not. It is my right and my duty to protect my home, my animals, and myself. Don't want to then don't but do not tell me otherwise.


“The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles.”

Jeff Cooper~

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ORIGINAL: Aynne88

You know what? No matter what the anti-America people say and the anti gun people say, it will never dissuade people like me from having guns. I am a liberal, I despise the NRA, I am totally okay with a waiting period, no high powered assault weapons, background checks, you name it, I will vote to prevent anything that puts guns in the wrong hands.

However, I will never relinquish my handguns or my rifles. I will not. It is my right and my duty to protect my home, my animals, and myself. Don't want to then don't but do not tell me otherwise.


“The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles.”

Jeff Cooper~

No one is ever going to ask you to surrender your weapons.
The suggestion that this is the agenda of the gun control crowd is nothing more than a canard employed by the pro gun lobby(the NRA)to deflect the actual discussion.
You,yourself mentioned quite a few steps that can be taken.

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"A free people ought not only to be armed but disciplined; to which end a uniform and well digested plan is requisite: And their safety and interest require that they should promote such manufactories, as tend to render them independent on others, for essential, particularly for military supplies."

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

The simple fact is the only thing protecting the US civilian population from a potentially opressive government is the fact the US military would almost certainly mutiny before engaging in wholesle slaughter of our own people.

Ah, almost certainly mutiny. Not much equivocation there. I'm sure there are foreign peoples who, at times past, would take exception to your overabundant faith in government controlled forces.

Allow me to be un-equivocal then .....without a doubt factions,perhaps the majority, of U.S.Forces would object to any order that involved firing on her own citizens.
Access to arms in such a situation is guaranteed by human nature itself !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

You do realize that is a bogus quote attributed to G. Washington?

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"A free people ought not only to be armed but disciplined; to which end a uniform and well digested plan is requisite: And their safety and interest require that they should promote such manufactories, as tend to render them independent on others, for essential, particularly for military supplies."

This is the actual quote above.

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the fact you believe that the soldiers are all going to throw down there arms if given an order like this is stupidity.. i was military and to be honest if told to fire on americans i would have... soldiers simply follow orders and if your entire chain of command is sending you somewhere you better believe that soldier views it as a just order to be carried out..

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Yeah, except none of it is more than hallucination.

Dude they aint gotta fuck around, they can seize the lists of any gun club, the NRA, and take every 4473 from a FFL (we keep them 20 years and then ship them to the government) track them and they will have about 3/4 of all guns in one fell swoop.

tinfoiling conspiracy.

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The simple fact is the only thing protecting the US civilian population from a potentially opressive government is the fact the US military would almost certainly mutiny before engaging in wholesle slaughter of our own people.

Ah, almost certainly mutiny. Not much equivocation there. I'm sure there are foreign peoples who, at times past, would take exception to your overabundant faith in government controlled forces.

Allow me to be un-equivocal then .....without a doubt factions,perhaps the majority, of U.S.Forces would object to any order that involved firing on her own citizens.
Access to arms in such a situation is guaranteed by human nature itself !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the fact you believe that the soldiers are all going to throw down there arms if given an order like this is stupidity.. i was military and to be honest if told to fire on americans i would have... soldiers simply follow orders and if your entire chain of command is sending you somewhere you better believe that soldier views it as a just order to be carried out..

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Yeah, except none of it is more than hallucination.

Dude they aint gotta fuck around, they can seize the lists of any gun club, the NRA, and take every 4473 from a FFL (we keep them 20 years and then ship them to the government) track them and they will have about 3/4 of all guns in one fell swoop.

tinfoiling conspiracy.

You make it sound too easy. I can think of all the guns I've bought and sold as well as others over a 30 year time period and I would question whether they could even track half of them. I think if a real semi auto ban / confiscation scheme came down there would be a variety of ways to resist. The family guy is likely to bury them and claim he sold his ebil weapons. Some would resist as individuals (I have no illusions about resisting military/swat) trying to take out as many of those ninjas who come for their guns as they can. Some resistance would be regional and I think would fair better. As for the question of would the military fire on their own people its hard to say. I would like to think not. I believe the question was floated around the Marine Corp at one time and a large number said they would follow orders. Most of the ones who said they would fire were the young recruits.


If the New Orleans post Katrina gun grab is any indication it might be as easy as you say though these people were not expecting it. Who would have thought some crooked, "chocolate", just indicted for corruption freakin mayor would give such an order. I think if something like that started going down nationwide the word would get out and it be a different scenerio.

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that wouldnt surprise me i stole it from facebook lol..

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More information on the Sandy Hook shooting. Lanza did not use an AR-15 semi-automatic "military style assault rifle" in the attack. They found four handguns in the school. Our liberal media. Report first - retract later.

Adam Lanza did not use AR15 weapon

He also was not wearing body armor as was reported... but I don't want to get the rhetoric tangled up in facts.

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ORIGINAL: Aynne88

You know what? No matter what the anti-America people say and the anti gun people say, it will never dissuade people like me from having guns. I am a liberal, I despise the NRA, I am totally okay with a waiting period, no high powered assault weapons, background checks, you name it, I will vote to prevent anything that puts guns in the wrong hands.

However, I will never relinquish my handguns or my rifles. I will not. It is my right and my duty to protect my home, my animals, and myself. Don't want to then don't but do not tell me otherwise.


“The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles.”

Jeff Cooper~

I really don't get it. You despise the NRA ? I've heard the NRA is extremist or such things from time to time by people who think their shot guns and bolt rifles or what ever is all you really need. I'm guessing the only type of handguns you own are revolvers so its ok with you if we do away with semi auto handguns. I guess it must be ok with you to throw us other gun owners to the wolves as long as they dont go after your type of guns. The way I'm seeing it is some elements of the government want to outlaw an entire class of firearms. Whatever the current flavor of whatever legislation on the table it's just a first step. They have stated such in their rhetoric, "it's a start" "it's a first step" and so on. The NRA is the only line in the sand that prevents this from happening.

What's going to happen when the government finally manages to outlaw semi autos and people begin to figure out what a bolt action hunting rifle with a scope can do or what a hand canon refers to ? What do you think they'll go after next when they learn what a 12 gauge shotgun is ? What do you think will happen when the general public figures out there are other weapons, not of the semi auto variety that are plenty sufficient to commit mass murder with, many that fire much more powerful ammunition ideal for hunting ?



You quote the late Jeff Cooper, a staunch pro NRA supporter and NRA board member yet you have obviously bought into the "high power assault weapon"(of which there is no such thing) propaganda.


"All the people constitute the militia - according to the Founding Fathers. Therefore every able-bodied man has a duty under the Constitution to become part of the 'well-regulated' militia, specifically to understand and perform well with the individual weapon currently issued to the regular establishment .... Thus one who has not qualified himself with the M-16 may not be considered to be a responsible citizen."

Jeff Cooper