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RE: Another Arab-Muslim country bombed by a western cou... - 1/15/2013 6:31:57 PM   
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Evolution does not care whether a change is genetic or non-genetic. Any change whatsoever that affects reproductive success will have natural selection on its tail nearly as fast as the speed of light. And it will either be eliminated and natural selection will ensure that the genome is predisposed against the change if it affects reproductive success in a negative way, or it will be selected for and natural selection will ensure that the genome is predisposed in favor of the change if it affects reproductive success in a positive way.




You still havent taken that Biology Class I recommended to cure your ignorance did you?

1. Evolution ONLY works genetically

2. Evolution does NOT work at the speed of light.

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RE: Another Arab-Muslim country bombed by a western cou... - 1/15/2013 6:43:24 PM   
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1. Evolution ONLY works genetically

I admit that your superior intelligence has got me beaten.

Whereas I fully accept that your reproductive success does not require either your balls nor your head, I respectfully suggest that you will improve your reproductive success by cutting of either - or preferably both - as it is quite obvious that without the added weight you may move faster from one fertile female to another.

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Evolution does not care whether a change is genetic or non-genetic. Any change whatsoever that affects reproductive success will have natural selection on its tail nearly as fast as the speed of light. And it will either be eliminated and natural selection will ensure that the genome is predisposed against the change if it affects reproductive success in a negative way, or it will be selected for and natural selection will ensure that the genome is predisposed in favor of the change if it affects reproductive success in a positive way.

2. Evolution does NOT work at the speed of light.

Wherever have I ever claimed that evolution works at the speed of light?

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RE: Another Arab-Muslim country bombed by a western cou... - 1/15/2013 7:00:46 PM   
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RE: Another Arab-Muslim country bombed by a western cou... - 1/15/2013 7:18:37 PM   
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1. Evolution ONLY works genetically

I admit that your superior intelligence has got me beaten.
Whereas I fully accept that your reproductive success does not require either your balls nor your head, I respectfully suggest that you will improve your reproductive success by cutting of either - or preferably both - as it is quite obvious that without the added weight you may move faster from one fertile female to another.


Apparently, both must increase reproductive success, else they would have disappeared, no?


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RE: Another Arab-Muslim country bombed by a western cou... - 1/15/2013 7:57:32 PM   
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ETA: My point being that both you and Hillwilliam claim that acquired phenotypical changes have no effect on reproductive success. Whereas I have given two clear examples of acquired phenotypical changes that do affect reproductive success, showing the both of you the error of thy philosophy. (To wit: castrations and beheadings.)

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RE: Another Arab-Muslim country bombed by a western cou... - 1/15/2013 8:34:17 PM   
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No behavior will produce a genetic change until that genetic change occurs within the gene pool.

Quite.

But then the evolution process is not about producing genetic changes, is it?

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The practice may continue, but that's not evolution.

Darn! Can it be that you are correct?

Umm ... no, you are not correct.

Pfui, that is a relief!

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RE: Another Arab-Muslim country bombed by a western cou... - 1/16/2013 1:00:52 AM   
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My point exactly: Whenever there is a conflict between savages and a civilized peoples, the savages usually are wiped out; in this case by civilized Christian peoples.

(Note that I am not in favor of wiping out savages. In my opinion there are less drastic ways to deal with them.)



This is claptrap. Savages, as you like to call the natives, got wiped out because they were on land the civilised Chritians wanted to steal from them and the civilised Christians slaughtered them one way or another to get their land. How civilised was that? What it illustrates is civilised people are brutal mass murderers. The difference between the NAZIs and the colonists was what? The NAZIs, who just happened to gain power in one of the most civilised and cultural countries on the planet, slaughtered people in their midst that were recognizably cultured and civilised, unlike American natives who were as you call them, savages.

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Your supreme wisdom is truly astounding!


It is isn't it because it sort of proves your theory wrong.

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You will save us all!


More likely than your theory on the quickest way to hell.

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I nominate you for our new High Priest. What better man to introduce and teach us our new religion!


You are the one who believes in cod evolution and superstition.

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RE: Another Arab-Muslim country bombed by a western cou... - 1/16/2013 1:07:10 AM   
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But then the evolution process is not about producing genetic changes, is it?



Actually it does. Experiential and environmental change appears to be able to change the underlying genetic make up of a species but the underlying genetics don't have to change for change to happen. Basically chemical triggers can alter the appearance of a species literally overnight. Whether a human as a white skin or a black skin is not down to underlying genetics but chemical triggers. Evolution can happen very quickly and this has been observed. Why some changes can take place literally overnight and some can't, that is something we have yet to learn.

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RE: Another Arab-Muslim country bombed by a western cou... - 1/16/2013 1:07:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		PSSSST: Mali is not an Arab country ..

however ... i find it more Cleaver to tell you that there are muslim countries & have 50% of non muslim people living there..

on the other hand .. maybe you did not hear the news & know that Mali did ask for help..

PS: the west knows that fact & maybe they want it to remain that way .. why there is nothing done about Syria .. ?


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RE: Another Arab-Muslim country bombed by a western cou... - 1/16/2013 1:08:59 AM   
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PSSSST: Mali is not an Arab country ..

however ... i find it more Cleaver to tell you that there are muslim countries & have 50% of non muslim people living there..


PSSST That is why I wrote Arab-Muslim country.

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however ... i find it more Cleaver to tell you that there are muslim countries & have 50% of non muslim people living there..


Yes. Mali is geographically basically two countries which is a problem inherited from colonial days so thanks for reminding me, the west, in the shape of France gerrymandered a geographic region that would inevitably have an internal conflict. Since the problem was created by the west, why would the west think they have the solution?

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RE: Another Arab-Muslim country bombed by a western cou... - 1/16/2013 1:22:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		some one called "Mike Feghali" who is "Lebanese astryolist" that there may be reprisals against France in this year "2013" ..
I dont know if he is right or not .. but the police in france is in high alert.

& i was not talking about "Mali" there .. i was talking about Lebanon.. which is "arab-Muslim" but the Muslim pupulation is less than 23%.. !!..

back to the topic.

the west dont have a "solution" .. some are till now support a "Terrorist armed militias" like the UK in the past .. but now its france...


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RE: Another Arab-Muslim country bombed by a western cou... - 1/16/2013 1:57:40 AM   
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& i was not talking about "Mali" there .. i was talking about Lebanon.. which is "arab-Muslim" but the Muslim pupulation is less than 23%.. !!..



Lebanon is a majority Arab country, most of the Christians there would call themselves Arab. Arab does not necessarily mean muslim. Many of the Palestinians cleansed from Israel were Christians and the ethnic cleansing of Arab Christians are still being cleansed from Israel through the Gurion inspired policy of making life so bad for Arabs, they will leave (often to Lwbanon which was one of the causes of Lebanese instability.

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RE: Another Arab-Muslim country bombed by a western cou... - 1/16/2013 3:13:45 AM   
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France has been bombing Mali which is in turmoil that can be directly linked to western interference in the Arab and muslim world.

Will the west ever learn that it is the cause, not the solution of the chaos in the Arab and muslim world?


The cheese-eating-surrender monkeys have the right idea for once.

I sincerely hope they bomb Mali back into the Stone Age, then start on the rest of the Middle East. I don't know what they're dropping, but I know that Napalm is cheap, effective, and solves a multitude of problems. I have absolutely no problem with putting them on the fast track to their 72 virgins. Any collateral damage among the Christian population pretty much guarantees them a harp and a fluffy cloud. Everyone gets to meet the imaginary friend of their understanding.

I'm not seeing a down side here...

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RE: Another Arab-Muslim country bombed by a western cou... - 1/16/2013 4:45:22 AM   
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Since the problem was created by the west, why would the west think they have the solution?

Maybe the west feels that intervening is its responsibility, if it created the problem in the first place?

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RE: Another Arab-Muslim country bombed by a western cou... - 1/16/2013 4:53:14 AM   
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Your supreme wisdom is truly astounding!

It is isn't it because it sort of proves your theory wrong.

Umm, I kinda have news for you that may shock your very bones, Meatcleaver: I was pulling your leg, i.e making fun of your complete and utter lack of wisdom.

That you failed to comprehend this is no surprise to me at all.


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RE: Another Arab-Muslim country bombed by a western cou... - 1/16/2013 5:03:16 AM   
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the existence of same sex attraction seems a contradiction to the basic assumption that whatever promotes the gene pool is favoured.

An apparent contradiction.

To which I say:

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There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
- Hamlet (1.5.166-7), Hamlet to Horatio


omg! Such a lame response was not expected, Rule.
Quite disappointing.

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RE: Another Arab-Muslim country bombed by a western cou... - 1/16/2013 5:04:18 AM   
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Umm, I kinda have news for you that may shock your very bones, Meatcleaver: I was pulling your leg, i.e making fun of your complete and utter lack of wisdom.

That you failed to comprehend this is no surprise to me at all.



Good get out for talking rubbish.

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RE: Another Arab-Muslim country bombed by a western cou... - 1/16/2013 5:21:48 AM   
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The cheese-eating-surrender monkeys have the right idea for once.

I sincerely hope they bomb Mali back into the Stone Age, then start on the rest of the Middle East. I don't know what they're dropping, but I know that Napalm is cheap, effective, and solves a multitude of problems. I have absolutely no problem with putting them on the fast track to their 72 virgins. Any collateral damage among the Christian population pretty much guarantees them a harp and a fluffy cloud. Everyone gets to meet the imaginary friend of their understanding.

I'm not seeing a down side here...

-SD-


The USA lost in Vietnam, it cut and run in Iraq and it is cutting and running in Afghanistan, along with lapdog Britain. Having the ability to bomb someone into the stoneage doesn't appear to be a very effective strategy, it has failed time and time again to solve perceived problem regarding vested interests. It is just an expensive way to waste national wealth and resources. With what the USA has spent on bombing people back into the stoneage, the USA could have had a healthcare system free at use that could have been the envy of the world.

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RE: Another Arab-Muslim country bombed by a western cou... - 1/16/2013 5:31:01 AM   
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I sincerely hope they bomb Mali back into the Stone Age, then start on the rest of the Middle East.

The problem with the Taliban is that you dont bomb them BACK to the stone age. To get those people up to the level of neolithic culture would require lots of foreign aid.

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RE: Another Arab-Muslim country bombed by a western cou... - 1/16/2013 5:38:49 AM   
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Since the problem was created by the west, why would the west think they have the solution?

Maybe the west feels that intervening is its responsibility, if it created the problem in the first place?



90% of the problems in Africa and the Middle East stem from the end of the colonial Era and WW1, so you are right, the west, specifically the European countries, created the fucking problems.

I will also say that there is nothing anyone can do to solve the problems, these people are going to keep trying to kill each other off, so I say we let em.

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