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RE: Latest threat of impeachment against President Obama - 1/17/2013 9:47:38 AM   
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Look the only legit reason to impeach Obama is simple, he is an Extraterrestrial Alien. It was discussed at the Republican convention last year, and the story has a bit of a following on the internet, so it must be true.

The only legit reason not to impeach Obama is simple, he is the Savior of the World. In 2008 it was on public display in Berlin Germany and at the Democratic National Convention. In 2012, despite not honoring the vast majority of promises he made during his 2008 campaign, it was on public display again at the Democratic National Convention. The fantasy has a Kool-Aid following in mainstream-media, so it must be true.

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RE: Latest threat of impeachment against President Obama - 1/17/2013 10:00:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yup, that's what they named themselves.  I had often used the BDSM straight out term to refer to them but was ordered not to, because of a whiney bitch multiply reporting me who no longer posts here and is getting his ass handed him as he did here, over on Fet now. 

Since they been co-opted by the idiots (of which there is no dearth) there isn't a partially useful less than shithead amongst them. 

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RE: Latest threat of impeachment against President Obama - 1/17/2013 10:03:13 AM   
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Yup, that's what they named themselves.  I had often used the BDSM straight out term to refer to them but was ordered not to, because of a whiney bitch multiply reporting me who no longer posts here and is getting his ass handed him as he did here, over on Fet now. 
Since they been co-opted by the idiots (of which there is no dearth) there isn't a partially useful less than shithead amongst them. 


Thanks. Your opinion of me is telling.

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RE: Latest threat of impeachment against President Obama - 1/17/2013 10:05:56 AM   
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RE: Latest threat of impeachment against President Obama - 1/17/2013 10:07:58 AM   
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The only legit reason not to impeach Obama is simple...


Is there a legit reason to impeach him, so that he can wipe his ass with the house teabagger document and go down to the senate to have a good laugh over the unconstitutionality displayed by the teabaggers down there if they try?

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RE: Latest threat of impeachment against President Obama - 1/17/2013 11:32:00 AM   
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Is there a legit reason to impeach him...

Not so far. hell, there wasn't even a legit reason to impeach Clinton, but it didn't stop the Elephant Men trying, did it?
If they still haven't got anything besides imbeciles whining, it's probably safe to be that they won't be taking any action besides throwing public tantrums and fillibustering.

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RE: Latest threat of impeachment against President Obama - 1/17/2013 11:37:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, they looked like the fuckin fools they are when he wiped his ass with it.

There is an AND....and they forgot it, the Senate (who are the only ones who can actually do something about it) exonerated him toot sweet (I know how to spell tout de suite, but I am one of those ugly americans, innit?)

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RE: Latest threat of impeachment against President Obama - 1/17/2013 12:07:13 PM   
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RE: Latest threat of impeachment against President Obama - 1/17/2013 12:09:44 PM   
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The only legit reason not to impeach Obama is simple...

Is there a legit reason to impeach him, so that he can wipe his ass with the house teabagger document and go down to the senate to have a good laugh over the unconstitutionality displayed by the teabaggers down there if they try?


How would the House be acting unConstitutionally? They bring the articles to impeach. The Senate tries him. If they bring forth and ratify the articles and the Senate exonerates him, it was still a Constitutional action. Impeachment doesn't guarantee the impeached was guilty. It's like a Grand Jury indicting someone, but, after going through the trial, they lose. Was that unethical? Is that not how our system of laws works?

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RE: Latest threat of impeachment against President Obama - 1/17/2013 1:04:32 PM   
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The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.
The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.
Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

That is article I section 2,3; and article II section 4, respectively. (excerpted)


So according to the teabaggers, if they do not win the conviction of the impeachment by the senate, they are acting unconstitutionally, as in the same way obama is ignoring the constitution (which would be unconstitutional) because there is no budget.

Trouble is, they don't know the constitution those teabaggers, not at all. They just blowhole a bunch of stupid shit and say it is or is not constitutional, depending on what dig the grave ideology they are spewing at the moment.



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RE: Latest threat of impeachment against President Obama - 1/17/2013 2:28:52 PM   
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The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.
The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.
Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.
That is article I section 2,3; and article II section 4, respectively. (excerpted)
So according to the teabaggers, if they do not win the conviction of the impeachment by the senate, they are acting unconstitutionally, as in the same way obama is ignoring the constitution (which would be unconstitutional) because there is no budget.
Trouble is, they don't know the constitution those teabaggers, not at all. They just blowhole a bunch of stupid shit and say it is or is not constitutional, depending on what dig the grave ideology they are spewing at the moment.



Glad you know how to copy the Constitution, and know what the relevant sections are, but, how did you show that they acted unConstitutionally?

Btw, it seems here and here that Clinton did break his oath of office when he perjured. Some even consider the Presidential oath to be the only oath he needs to take while in office and if he lies, it's perjury, unless it relates directly to National Security.

And, considering that Clinton did have 50 senators vote to impeach on one of the 2 charges (45 voted to impeach on the second), there sure seems to have been a good deal of elected officials that would agree.

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RE: Latest threat of impeachment against President Obama - 1/17/2013 2:31:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Forget impeachment to deal with a president that violates his oath of office, lets go for capital punishment for any politician who violates his oath of office.

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RE: Latest threat of impeachment against President Obama - 1/17/2013 2:38:42 PM   
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Forget impeachment to deal with a president that violates his oath of office, lets go for capital punishment for any politician who violates his oath of office.


There are rules to be followed jlf. It's not so easy to impeach a President, and, I, for one, am glad for that.

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RE: Latest threat of impeachment against President Obama - 1/17/2013 2:41:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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Forget impeachment to deal with a president that violates his oath of office, lets go for capital punishment for any politician who violates his oath of office.


There are rules to be followed jlf. It's not so easy to impeach a President, and, I, for one, am glad for that.

I know there are rules to follow, but I am suggesting that if the president or any public official is found guilty, then capital punishment should be the result.

After all, every politician is a licensed criminal empowered by the voters.

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RE: Latest threat of impeachment against President Obama - 1/17/2013 2:43:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		The first this is asswipe.  The second does not support your view.  

NO, it don't.  For votes strictly along party lines with even 10 republicans voting no. 

A fuckin miserable debaucle and the sort of shit the rightwing does instead of taking care of the nations business.  

it takes 2/3rds to convict anyhow, and it wasn't even a close call.


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RE: Latest threat of impeachment against President Obama - 1/17/2013 2:58:48 PM   
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The first this is asswipe.  The second does not support your view.  

NO, it don't.  For votes strictly along party lines with even 10 republicans voting no. 

A fuckin miserable debaucle and the sort of shit the rightwing does instead of taking care of the nations business.  

it takes 2/3rds to convict anyhow, and it wasn't even a close call.




I am quite aware of what has happened in the Clinton fuckup.

By the way, fyi, i was again being sarcastic.

But the process is flawed, impeaching a president and leaving him in office actually accomplishes what exactly?

Nixon bailed before impeachment proceedings could start against him, then Ford turned around and pardoned the man.

And you are right, the whole process is gone through to avoid dealing with running the country.

In all honesty, I have a poor opinion of politicians in this country, they say what the voters want to hear to get elected, then do exactly the opposite when in office. Then when it is time to run again, they come up with half assed excuses as to why they did not do what they said they were going to do, and the voters buy the bullshit.

There are people on these boards that I would vote for, simply because they have passionate views on the issues, and I figure we would get two good terms out of them before the system corrupts them. I voted for a couple of people who were passionate about the same things I was, I did not always agree with them, and they did what they said they were going to do for two terms, then they became like everyone else.

There is something about the American political system that corrupts everyone involved in it. However, I see no alternative that is worth changing to as an improvement.

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RE: Latest threat of impeachment against President Obama - 1/17/2013 3:00:41 PM   
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RE: Latest threat of impeachment against President Obama - 1/17/2013 3:02:17 PM   
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The first this is asswipe.  The second does not support your view.  
NO, it don't.  For votes strictly along party lines with even 10 republicans voting no. 
A fuckin miserable debaucle and the sort of shit the rightwing does instead of taking care of the nations business.  
it takes 2/3rds to convict anyhow, and it wasn't even a close call.


Well, with that in depth and point-by-point rebuttal, I think we have a winner!

Yes, I know that it takes 2/3 majority to find guilt.

Something I've wondered since my first few days on these boards. This "asswipe" you keep talking about. Are you referring to toilet tissue, or the target of toilet tissue?

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RE: Latest threat of impeachment against President Obama - 1/17/2013 3:02:32 PM   
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That was to DS, but I didnt bother with that and it followed yours.



My mistake. Just shoot me and put me out of your misery. Please. I will stand perfectly still to make it easy.

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RE: Latest threat of impeachment against President Obama - 1/17/2013 3:32:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		think of it as the word bullshit.  I prefer asswipe to that word bullshit. 

Some fuckin clown blogger with nothing going for them except the old those words did not mean that in those days.......ASSWIPE, is a fuckin moron and dismissed out of hand.

The second citation did not support your premise, that lying about a blowjob was malfeasance in the office of president. If that is the case, then any goddamn senator who is in the Minneapolis Airport Bathroom crowd of teabaggers should have been impeached and then convicted, they run the same course as prez pretty much.

An impeachment means nothing, it is used toilet paper (asswipe).

And further, the must be something to it if 45 or 50- voted for it.  Nah, more asswipe, straight teabagger vote of yeas, meaningless political ideological asswipe for theater, instead of doing the nations important business.   They were shown for the cretins they were.

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