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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 2:03:43 PM   
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I thought we were speaking of flash suppressors.



Flash suppressors are only on the weapons they want to ban.

So to ban the flash suppressor you have to ban the weapon.

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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 2:05:36 PM   
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If it suppresses a flash... could it not also suppress one at a crime scene? From my understanding, it suppresses the light from the shooter so that their night vision isnt affected, correct? Doesnt a flash hider have a similar effect? Its reported that the guy who fired at the firefighters used one.

It suppresses the flash to a degree, but mostly it deflects it sideways away from the shooter's line of sight to reduce the blinding effect on night vision.

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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 2:07:58 PM   
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If it suppresses a flash... could it not also suppress one at a crime scene? From my understanding, it suppresses the light from the shooter so that their night vision isnt affected, correct? Doesnt a flash hider have a similar effect? Its reported that the guy who fired at the firefighters used one.

It suppresses the flash to a degree, but mostly it deflects it away from the shooter's line of sight to reduce the blinding effect of the flash on night vision.

K.




Hell on the hog gun I just got from Red Jacket, there is no flash suppressor, but there is a silencer.

And K, you never responded to why I want a 50 cal minigun to protect 6 bottles of 75 year old single malt scotch I got for xmas.

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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 2:08:23 PM   
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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 2:11:30 PM   
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So you are saying one cannot be added to a gun after purchase.



You can get after market suppressor for AR style rifles, not for any other.

It is actually easier to fill out the NFA paperwork and pay the fee and get a silencer.

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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 2:12:18 PM   
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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 2:15:22 PM   
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So you are saying one cannot be added to a gun after purchase.

A good gunsmith can add about anything to a gun after purchase up and including a refrigerated cup holder.
As for the guy using a flash supressor in the ambush. That is what was reported by the media BUT, when is the last time that anything gun related was correctly reported by the media?

Flash supressors don't make the muzzle flash invisible to people downrange. They keep it from blinding the shooter.
You're not gonna be worth a shit in a nighttime firefight if your first shot eliminates your night vision.

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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 2:16:02 PM   
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Im sorry, Jeff. You were right on your other thread. My IQ simply isnt high enough to understand any of this, so its best we end our discussion.



I was not referring to you, Tazzy, In my opinion you have a higher than average IQ, I was referring to an idiot that is constantly insulting people with degrading remarks concerning their intelligence. This particular person is making some really bad grammar errors that are common in high school.

What I have been trying to do is to get you to actually read what the last ban accomplished, which was nothing it was supposed to do.

I do get a bit frustrated you dont see the points I am trying to make, but that is probably more my fault for not putting it in the proper way, not yours.

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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 2:16:33 PM   
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OK. You win. Guess some perp somewhere has off'd some guy simply because he loved the flash suppressor.


Lets try this a simpler way for you.

Why would anyone need one?



In actuality and generally, no reason. They neither enhance nor harm operation of the firearm. Except that it's a burr under the saddle of anti-gunners I could care less. Won't affect my aim at 100 yards. Not with the scope and shield I can use.

It's not the flash suppressor that's the real issue. It's the intent, idiotic as it is (mu opinion), that the anti-gunners have. It's not letting them get even one more foot closer to the gate. Reminds me of the saying "if we don't fight them over there we'll have to fight them over here". In the case at hand, if we don't fight them over this we'll have to fight them over something closer to home later. Like the rifle itself.







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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 2:18:34 PM   
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So you are saying one cannot be added to a gun after purchase.

the tools to make any gun or any gun attachment are totally legal to buy without a background check.. flash suppressors are on many guns not just the guns they are trying to ban a flash suppressor can go on any fire arm period.... bottom line is if you ban it a criminal can still have it.. you are only fucking yourself over.. and heres a pistol with a flash suppressor which is not unusual.. bottom line people make shit themselves and criminals arnt always to dumb to do so prison tattoo guns should prove that..

Under federal law, you can make your own firearm, per provisions of the Gun Control Act (GCA) of 1968, 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44, an unlicensed individual may make a “firearm” as defined in the GCA for his own personal use, but not for sale or distribution.
The GCA, 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(3), defines the term “firearm” to include the following:
“…(A) any weapon (including a starter gun) which will or is designed to or may be readily converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive:
(B) the frame or receiver of any such weapon;
(C) any firearm muffler or silencer; or
(D) any destructive device. Such term does not include an antique firearm.”

State laws may vary.
Source(s):
http://www.atf.gov/firearms




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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 2:19:37 PM   
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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 3:02:21 PM   
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I think it's ironic that one of the biggest anti-gunners on this board has pictures of himself at some kind of dress up party with a GASSSSP pistol in his sash.

Are you sure it's not a PEZ dispenser?

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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 3:13:47 PM   
jlf1961


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What is the government worried about?

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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 3:28:32 PM   
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The current Fienstien bill bans firearms with flash supressors bayonet lugs and other basically cosmetic aspects of firearms. Seriously when is the last time you heard of a bayonet charge by criminals?


I'm thinking it was about the last time I heard bullshit news like this ever becoming law.

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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 3:32:17 PM   
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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 4:23:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

So you are saying one cannot be added to a gun after purchase.

the tools to make any gun or any gun attachment are totally legal to buy without a background check.. flash suppressors are on many guns not just the guns they are trying to ban a flash suppressor can go on any fire arm period.... bottom line is if you ban it a criminal can still have it.. you are only fucking yourself over.. and heres a pistol with a flash suppressor which is not unusual.. bottom line people make shit themselves and criminals arnt always to dumb to do so prison tattoo guns should prove that..

Under federal law, you can make your own firearm, per provisions of the Gun Control Act (GCA) of 1968, 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44, an unlicensed individual may make a “firearm” as defined in the GCA for his own personal use, but not for sale or distribution.
The GCA, 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(3), defines the term “firearm” to include the following:
“…(A) any weapon (including a starter gun) which will or is designed to or may be readily converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive:
(B) the frame or receiver of any such weapon;
(C) any firearm muffler or silencer; or
(D) any destructive device. Such term does not include an antique firearm.”

State laws may vary.
Source(s):
http://www.atf.gov/firearms






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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 4:29:32 PM   
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Actually, Assault weapons under the Feinstein bill are not ACTUALLY assault weapons. They are semi automatic rifles built on a military frame.

The true definition of Assault Weapon is any select fire weapon that is the basic issue weapon for the military.

M16 is an assault weapon

AR15 is a semi automatic rifle built on a military rifle frame.

Just so you know, there is a fucking big difference between what is sold to civilians and what is sold to the military. The military does not buy semi automatic weapons.

I wish the fucking non-service people in the country would learn the fucking difference.

I wish the fucking gun nuts would stop lying about this.

Assault rifles were developed from the experiences in WWII. They are shorter and lighter rifles that fire a smaller but high velocity cartridge than the roughly .30 caliber hunting rifle rounds fired by battle rifles of the era. The AR-15 was the first of these to be produced and enter service in the west while the AK-47 was the Soviet version. What matters is the size of the weapon and the cartridge meant for nothing but killing people. There have been full selective fire versions of the AR-15 and there have been semi-automatic versions but that doesn't magically change the weapon.

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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 4:32:41 PM   
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C-CLsMRcA0

hes right whether you like it or not.. when i originaly learned about assault rifles i was told about select fire.. ever since i have not heard that im going to assume its an old school thing.. however the actual operating parts do differ..

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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 4:39:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		It`s not a hunting rifle.

The round was meant for killing people.

There is no reason a civilian should own one.Same for the AK-47 semi-auto.Almost everyone i know with one knows how to make them full auto.

Never seen anyone hunt with either one but I often hear righties gushing about taking on dictatorships and how a Kalashnikov would be their weapon of choice.



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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 4:57:37 PM   
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It`s not a hunting rifle.

The round was meant for killing people.

There is no reason a civilian should own one.Same for the AK-47 semi-auto.Almost everyone i know with one knows how to make them full auto.

Never seen anyone hunt with either one but I often hear righties gushing about taking on dictatorships and how a Kalashnikov would be their weapon of choice.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV2e5v11aJs this atf agent is about as smart as everyone you know with a real gun..

by the way name a time the atf have found a semi auto rifle illegally turned into a full auto.. because a while back they actually did a press conferance saying they have found 0 semi auto rifles illegally made full auto.. its not as easy as you and your friends think

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