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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 6:23:38 PM   
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Maybe THIS site will explain

Butch

i hate to break this to you but aside from showing people what they need to make a homemade assault rifle which would still be illegal it really just shows the people trying to mod there semi to an auty they wont be able to lol because there was more to it than they thought when they heard that file shit down line.. and the bottom line is it still has to have a select fire thats not just semi and saftey.. which if youll read what you posted they say the m16 has a third for go auto.. i dont see what you are argueing.. select fire is selecting your rate of fire...



Actually, if the parts used were made before 1984, you can legally buy them with the proper NFA paperwork.

Now for the bad news, you may not own the proper AR style weapon for the conversion. Those, it seems, are hard to come by.

However, given the right machine tools in the right kind of machine shop, you can make those parts, but see the second statement above.

The specifications for the current generation of AR type weapons for the parts needed to make the conversion have not been made publicly available, per the ATF.

At least that is the information I have found. I could be wrong, If so I apologize.

no i dont think you are wrong.. however as i have said earlier in this thread everyone can legally make a homemade gun so long as it complies with the atf.. and yes i know you can get the older parts with proper licensing and as i have said it is totally legal to buy all the tools required to make a weapon from scratch such as machining tools.. this is a video of homemade guns that were not made legally i fucking love the briefcase gun it reminds me of the show with the guitar case thats a machine gun.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mW95GBqqSQ0

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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 6:28:54 PM   
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I am not arguing...just showing people the differences between the two and why the AR-15 cannot be made fully automatic by the average joe on the street despite all you read on the internet.

Butch

For most AR-15's you are right but there are some where simply replacing the sear and in some very extreme cases just the safety with a selector switch will do the job. I'd assume all those older AR's are unsafely in the hands of just the sorts who I don't think should have automatic weapons.



I may be wrong, but from what I have read, the parts that are pre 1984 which are legal to buy with the proper NFA paper work, will not work on current generations of the AR based weapons.

And the pre 1984 AR's are hard to come by, those that have them do not want to let em go.

My M1A was manufactured by Springfield armory, and while theoretically it is possible to convert, I see no reason to. I just had it set up by a gun smith like the first sniper rifle I was issued.

And I do apologize for not properly labelling the M14, I was going by the current international definition of assault rifle. As for the 30-30, I did admit that I was wrong, the information I got had it listed as an Army round.

There were other rounds listed on a web page about the Horse Calvary, but those are considered cowboy sport shooting rounds now, and the people that use them are not many. I am referring to the 45/40 and 44/40 pistol rounds and the 45/70 carbine round. But those were made for the military at the time and civilians, so those are debatable.

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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 6:31:35 PM   
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I am not arguing...just showing people the differences between the two and why the AR-15 cannot be made fully automatic by the average joe on the street despite all you read on the internet.

Butch

For most AR-15's you are right but there are some where simply replacing the sear and in some very extreme cases just the safety with a selector switch will do the job. I'd assume all those older AR's are unsafely in the hands of just the sorts who I don't think should have automatic weapons.



I may be wrong, but from what I have read, the parts that are pre 1984 which are legal to buy with the proper NFA paper work, will not work on current generations of the AR based weapons.

As I understand the laws you are right but with all the AR knockoffs floating around I wouldn't be so sure.

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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 6:36:36 PM   
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I am not arguing...just showing people the differences between the two and why the AR-15 cannot be made fully automatic by the average joe on the street despite all you read on the internet.

Butch

For most AR-15's you are right but there are some where simply replacing the sear and in some very extreme cases just the safety with a selector switch will do the job. I'd assume all those older AR's are unsafely in the hands of just the sorts who I don't think should have automatic weapons.



I may be wrong, but from what I have read, the parts that are pre 1984 which are legal to buy with the proper NFA paper work, will not work on current generations of the AR based weapons.

As I understand the laws you are right but with all the AR knockoffs floating around I wouldn't be so sure.



So, how many to you think someone would have to buy to find the right one? I am being serious.

The colt manufactured ones I would think would be the closest match, but that is just because they are one of the military suppliers.

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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 6:43:05 PM   
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The current Fienstien bill bans firearms with flash supressors bayonet lugs and other basically cosmetic aspects of firearms. Seriously when is the last time you heard of a bayonet charge by criminals?


I'm thinking it was about the last time I heard bullshit news like this ever becoming law.

same provision was in the 94 law

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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 6:45:14 PM   
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The current Fienstien bill bans firearms with flash supressors bayonet lugs and other basically cosmetic aspects of firearms. Seriously when is the last time you heard of a bayonet charge by criminals?


I'm thinking it was about the last time I heard bullshit news like this ever becoming law.

same provision was in the 94 law



Actually, the are worried that the criminal element that uses these weapons, less than 10% of gun crimes, might get inspired by various war movies and gang together to make a bayonet charge on a liquor store.

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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 7:04:54 PM   
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I wish the fucking gun nuts would stop lying about this.

Assault rifles were developed from the experiences in WWII. They are shorter and lighter rifles that fire a smaller but high velocity cartridge than the roughly .30 caliber hunting rifle rounds fired by battle rifles of the era. The AR-15 was the first of these to be produced and enter service in the west while the AK-47 was the Soviet version. What matters is the size of the weapon and the cartridge meant for nothing but killing people. There have been full selective fire versions of the AR-15 and there have been semi-automatic versions but that doesn't magically change the weapon.

Ken, the AK is the most common 'assault rifle' in the world and is very close to a 30 cal.
the AR15 is the .223.

Sorry but the AR15 and M-16 is meant more for high rate of fire and wounding.
If I wanted a cartrige to kill someone, I would never use a .223.

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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 7:08:59 PM   
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I wish the fucking gun nuts would stop lying about this.

Assault rifles were developed from the experiences in WWII. They are shorter and lighter rifles that fire a smaller but high velocity cartridge than the roughly .30 caliber hunting rifle rounds fired by battle rifles of the era. The AR-15 was the first of these to be produced and enter service in the west while the AK-47 was the Soviet version. What matters is the size of the weapon and the cartridge meant for nothing but killing people. There have been full selective fire versions of the AR-15 and there have been semi-automatic versions but that doesn't magically change the weapon.

Ken, the AK is the most common 'assault rifle' in the world and is very close to a 30 cal.
the AR15 is the .223.

Sorry but the AR15 and M-16 is meant more for high rate of fire and wounding.
If I wanted a cartrige to kill someone, I would never use a .223.



Would anyone like the proper information that would require a trip to dallas texas to a legit (licensed arms dealer) that would result in your proud ownership of a full auto AK 47?

Strangely enough, the ATF and FBI have known about this dealer for years...

As for killing someone, i would use a 308 at minimum 600 meters, from an elevated position, or if that was not possible, clear terrain with no high weeds.

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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 7:11:01 PM   
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I wish the fucking gun nuts would stop lying about this.

Assault rifles were developed from the experiences in WWII. They are shorter and lighter rifles that fire a smaller but high velocity cartridge than the roughly .30 caliber hunting rifle rounds fired by battle rifles of the era. The AR-15 was the first of these to be produced and enter service in the west while the AK-47 was the Soviet version. What matters is the size of the weapon and the cartridge meant for nothing but killing people. There have been full selective fire versions of the AR-15 and there have been semi-automatic versions but that doesn't magically change the weapon.

Ken, the AK is the most common 'assault rifle' in the world and is very close to a 30 cal.
the AR15 is the .223.

Sorry but the AR15 and M-16 is meant more for high rate of fire and wounding.
If I wanted a cartrige to kill someone, I would never use a .223.



Would anyone like the proper information that would require a trip to dallas texas to a legit (licensed arms dealer) that would result in your proud ownership of a full auto AK 47?

Strangely enough, the ATF and FBI have known about this dealer for years...

I could have one this weekend if I wanted. Why go to Dallas?
I still say the .223 is a shit anti personell round.
Id rather use hollow points in an /06, Glasers in a .357 or high brass #2 in a shotgun.

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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 7:14:27 PM   
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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 7:29:17 PM   
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I wish the fucking gun nuts would stop lying about this.

Assault rifles were developed from the experiences in WWII. They are shorter and lighter rifles that fire a smaller but high velocity cartridge than the roughly .30 caliber hunting rifle rounds fired by battle rifles of the era. The AR-15 was the first of these to be produced and enter service in the west while the AK-47 was the Soviet version. What matters is the size of the weapon and the cartridge meant for nothing but killing people. There have been full selective fire versions of the AR-15 and there have been semi-automatic versions but that doesn't magically change the weapon.

Ken, the AK is the most common 'assault rifle' in the world and is very close to a 30 cal.
the AR15 is the .223.

Sorry but the AR15 and M-16 is meant more for high rate of fire and wounding.
If I wanted a cartrige to kill someone, I would never use a .223.

The 7.62X39 is the SKS or AK-47 round. The 7.62X51 is the NATO round which is a much more powerful round still used in belt fed MG's and sniper rifles, some times this round is reffered to as the 308 Winchester. did you mix the bullets up or am i wrong for thinking you did?

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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 7:33:51 PM   
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I wish the fucking gun nuts would stop lying about this.

Assault rifles were developed from the experiences in WWII. They are shorter and lighter rifles that fire a smaller but high velocity cartridge than the roughly .30 caliber hunting rifle rounds fired by battle rifles of the era. The AR-15 was the first of these to be produced and enter service in the west while the AK-47 was the Soviet version. What matters is the size of the weapon and the cartridge meant for nothing but killing people. There have been full selective fire versions of the AR-15 and there have been semi-automatic versions but that doesn't magically change the weapon.

Ken, the AK is the most common 'assault rifle' in the world and is very close to a 30 cal.
the AR15 is the .223.

Sorry but the AR15 and M-16 is meant more for high rate of fire and wounding.
If I wanted a cartrige to kill someone, I would never use a .223.

The 7.62X39 is the SKS or AK-47 round. The 7.62X51 is the NATO round which is a much more powerful round still used in belt fed MG's and sniper rifles, some times this round is reffered to as the 308 Winchester. did you mix the bullets up or am i wrong for thinking you did?

308 is very close to 30 cal (8 thousandths)
I was pointing out the fallacy that so called 'assault rifles' weren't "smaller than the roughly 30 cal hunting cartiges" because the AK is very close to 30 cal. and it's the most common one on the world (arguably the best).

The .223 AR is smaller but it's not nearly as good for termination.

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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 7:34:48 PM   
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I wish the fucking gun nuts would stop lying about this.

Assault rifles were developed from the experiences in WWII. They are shorter and lighter rifles that fire a smaller but high velocity cartridge than the roughly .30 caliber hunting rifle rounds fired by battle rifles of the era. The AR-15 was the first of these to be produced and enter service in the west while the AK-47 was the Soviet version. What matters is the size of the weapon and the cartridge meant for nothing but killing people. There have been full selective fire versions of the AR-15 and there have been semi-automatic versions but that doesn't magically change the weapon.

Ken, the AK is the most common 'assault rifle' in the world and is very close to a 30 cal.
the AR15 is the .223.

Sorry but the AR15 and M-16 is meant more for high rate of fire and wounding.
If I wanted a cartrige to kill someone, I would never use a .223.

The 7.62X39 is the SKS or AK-47 round. The 7.62X51 is the NATO round which is a much more powerful round still used in belt fed MG's and sniper rifles, some times this round is reffered to as the 308 Winchester. did you mix the bullets up or am i wrong for thinking you did?

308 is very close to 30 cal (8 thousandths)
I was pointing out the fallacy that so called 'assault rifles' weren't "smaller than the roughly 30 cal hunting cartiges" because the AK is very close to 30 cal. and it's the most common one on the world (arguably the best).

The .223 AR is smaller but it's not nearly as good for termination.

but the ak does not use that round.. i have to agree a REAL ak47 is the best with the chrome inards and what not but its not a gun i like and its a very inaccurate gun compared to others but over all it would have to be the best

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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 7:37:54 PM   
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what if you shot 2 223 rounds at once? would that to you be better than the 762? and i think it eliminates double tap too!




I started bench rest shooting when I was 12.
By the time I was 14-15, I was consistently shooting Minute of arc. You dont need to double tap when you're shooting 12 cm groups at 300m.
For close in work, I have High brass #2 in a shotgun and glaser frangibles in a .357.

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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 7:40:59 PM   
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but the ak does not use that round..

We're both saying the same thing just diff ways. AK is 7.62 which is really close to a 30 cal.

The .223 is the AR. Much smaller

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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 7:41:00 PM   
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I wish the fucking gun nuts would stop lying about this.

Assault rifles were developed from the experiences in WWII. They are shorter and lighter rifles that fire a smaller but high velocity cartridge than the roughly .30 caliber hunting rifle rounds fired by battle rifles of the era. The AR-15 was the first of these to be produced and enter service in the west while the AK-47 was the Soviet version. What matters is the size of the weapon and the cartridge meant for nothing but killing people. There have been full selective fire versions of the AR-15 and there have been semi-automatic versions but that doesn't magically change the weapon.

Ken, the AK is the most common 'assault rifle' in the world and is very close to a 30 cal.
the AR15 is the .223.

Sorry but the AR15 and M-16 is meant more for high rate of fire and wounding.
If I wanted a cartrige to kill someone, I would never use a .223.

The 7.62X39 is the SKS or AK-47 round. The 7.62X51 is the NATO round which is a much more powerful round still used in belt fed MG's and sniper rifles, some times this round is reffered to as the 308 Winchester. did you mix the bullets up or am i wrong for thinking you did?

308 is very close to 30 cal (8 thousandths)
I was pointing out the fallacy that so called 'assault rifles' weren't "smaller than the roughly 30 cal hunting cartiges" because the AK is very close to 30 cal. and it's the most common one on the world (arguably the best).

The .223 AR is smaller but it's not nearly as good for termination.

but the ak does not use that round.. i have to agree a REAL ak47 is the best with the chrome inards and what not but its not a gun i like and its a very inaccurate gun compared to others but over all it would have to be the best



He never said the AK uses a 30 cal round, he said the round was very close to a 30. You might want to take some reading comprehension classes.

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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 7:41:01 PM   
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what if you shot 2 223 rounds at once? would that to you be better than the 762? and i think it eliminates double tap too!




I started bench rest shooting when I was 12.
By the time I was 14-15, I was consistently shooting Minute of arc. You dont need to double tap when you're shooting 12 cm groups at 300m.
For close in work, I have High brass #2 in a shotgun and glaser frangibles in a .357.

ok fine shoot my dream gun down ill throw my next card i call this pokemon zombie slaughter!




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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 7:42:03 PM   
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He never said the AK uses a 30 cal round, he said the round was very close to a 30. You might want to take some reading comprehension classes.

he's been catching so much shit from the anti gunners he didnt realize we were saying the same thing 2 diff ways.

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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 7:42:06 PM   
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I wish the fucking gun nuts would stop lying about this.

Assault rifles were developed from the experiences in WWII. They are shorter and lighter rifles that fire a smaller but high velocity cartridge than the roughly .30 caliber hunting rifle rounds fired by battle rifles of the era. The AR-15 was the first of these to be produced and enter service in the west while the AK-47 was the Soviet version. What matters is the size of the weapon and the cartridge meant for nothing but killing people. There have been full selective fire versions of the AR-15 and there have been semi-automatic versions but that doesn't magically change the weapon.

Ken, the AK is the most common 'assault rifle' in the world and is very close to a 30 cal.
the AR15 is the .223.

Sorry but the AR15 and M-16 is meant more for high rate of fire and wounding.
If I wanted a cartrige to kill someone, I would never use a .223.

The 7.62X39 is the SKS or AK-47 round. The 7.62X51 is the NATO round which is a much more powerful round still used in belt fed MG's and sniper rifles, some times this round is reffered to as the 308 Winchester. did you mix the bullets up or am i wrong for thinking you did?

308 is very close to 30 cal (8 thousandths)
I was pointing out the fallacy that so called 'assault rifles' weren't "smaller than the roughly 30 cal hunting cartiges" because the AK is very close to 30 cal. and it's the most common one on the world (arguably the best).

The .223 AR is smaller but it's not nearly as good for termination.

but the ak does not use that round.. i have to agree a REAL ak47 is the best with the chrome inards and what not but its not a gun i like and its a very inaccurate gun compared to others but over all it would have to be the best



He never said the AK uses a 30 cal round, he said the round was very close to a 30. You might want to take some reading comprehension classes.

actually he said the 308 was close to a 30cal and the ak does not use a 7.62x51 it uses a 7.62x39.. thats right old man you failed to comprehend where i was coming from

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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 7:44:17 PM   
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actually he said the 308 was close to a 30cal and the ak does not use a 7.62x51 it uses a 7.62x39

Which is close to 30

7.62 mm = approx 0.309 inches

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