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BamaD -> RE: Was the 2nd Amendment a bone tossed to Slave States? (2/1/2013 4:47:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 You are now telling porkies....... You said, and I quote quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Didn't want to overtax anyone. I chose Cowpens because Morgan took advantage of the elitist view that militias were useless against "real" soldiers Now this. As I said t is obvious that being English you know and understand our history much better than we could ever hope to As for the snide comment about my being English....yes I really do know more than you. I even knew how to research and quote info using an American web site. I guess they had a different professor to you huh. [8\|] Sorry but there is no conflict between my two statements and no you don't know more than I do but thank you for proving my point about assumed superiority Nothing assumed, just proven by your contradictory posts......harsh but fair methinks. Care to address my points about elitist views as per an American web sites content ? ......Thought not. There were no contradictory comments on my part Morgan used the militia and the Butchers contempt for them to spring basically the same trap that William used at Hastings, fake panic to break up the enemy formation and gain the advantage. Niether the militia nor the Colonial regulars could take the British in a fight in open field with lines formed as was the norm of the day. So Morgan used a fake panic to alter the inviornment. Further I never said anything about your ability to point and click just your inability to comprehend the most basic tenents of military tactics. I can click all day about brain surgery, that doesn't mean I understand it.

BamaD -> RE: Was the 2nd Amendment a bone tossed to Slave States? (2/1/2013 4:51:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 You are now telling porkies....... You said, and I quote quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Didn't want to overtax anyone. I chose Cowpens because Morgan took advantage of the elitist view that militias were useless against "real" soldiers Now this. As I said t is obvious that being English you know and understand our history much better than we could ever hope to As for the snide comment about my being English....yes I really do know more than you. I even knew how to research and quote info using an American web site. I guess they had a different professor to you huh. [8\|] Sorry but there is no conflict between my two statements and no you don't know more than I do but thank you for proving my point about assumed superiority Nothing assumed, just proven by your contradictory posts......harsh but fair methinks. Care to address my points about elitist views as per an American web sites content ? ......Thought not. This should be good for a laugh or two how do you excuse British regulars getting their tails kicked at Lexenton and Concord? Yes the militia lost at first trying to fight like the British but when they used their own style it became a matter of counting up British casualties.

Nosathro -> RE: Was the 2nd Amendment a bone tossed to Slave States? (2/1/2013 4:56:03 PM)
You know Washington himself was no big fan of the militia http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/washington-blames-militia-for-problems

BamaD -> RE: Was the 2nd Amendment a bone tossed to Slave States? (2/1/2013 4:59:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro You know Washington himself was no big fan of the militia http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/washington-blames-militia-for-problems I dare you to find where I described the militia as an elete fighting force.

Politesub53 -> RE: Was the 2nd Amendment a bone tossed to Slave States? (2/1/2013 5:04:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD There were no contradictory comments on my part Morgan used the militia and the Butchers contempt for them to spring basically the same trap that William used at Hastings, fake panic to break up the enemy formation and gain the advantage. Niether the militia nor the Colonial regulars could take the British in a fight in open field with lines formed as was the norm of the day. So Morgan used a fake panic to alter the inviornment. Further I never said anything about your ability to point and click just your inability to comprehend the most basic tenents of military tactics. I can click all day about brain surgery, that doesn't mean I understand it. Try and educate yourself. Morgan placed his militia so they could not run, he had no faith in them, as per a US web site. You seem to make this more about me than your actual post. It was the fact you said Morgan thought the British were elitist, I simply pointed out why he placed his troops were he did. As well as the fact he had little faith in them.

BamaD -> RE: Was the 2nd Amendment a bone tossed to Slave States? (2/1/2013 5:33:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD There were no contradictory comments on my part Morgan used the militia and the Butchers contempt for them to spring basically the same trap that William used at Hastings, fake panic to break up the enemy formation and gain the advantage. Niether the militia nor the Colonial regulars could take the British in a fight in open field with lines formed as was the norm of the day. So Morgan used a fake panic to alter the inviornment. Further I never said anything about your ability to point and click just your inability to comprehend the most basic tenents of military tactics. I can click all day about brain surgery, that doesn't mean I understand it. Try and educate yourself. Morgan placed his militia so they could not run, he had no faith in them, as per a US web site. You seem to make this more about me than your actual post. It was the fact you said Morgan thought the British were elitist, I simply pointed out why he placed his troops were he did. As well as the fact he had little faith in them. He planned from the beginning to have them form were they did and fake a panic what is so hard to understand about that. Noticed you don't have an excuse for what happened in Mass. No this is hardly about you and I have no intent to make it about you.

BamaD -> RE: Was the 2nd Amendment a bone tossed to Slave States? (2/1/2013 10:11:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD There were no contradictory comments on my part Morgan used the militia and the Butchers contempt for them to spring basically the same trap that William used at Hastings, fake panic to break up the enemy formation and gain the advantage. Niether the militia nor the Colonial regulars could take the British in a fight in open field with lines formed as was the norm of the day. So Morgan used a fake panic to alter the inviornment. Further I never said anything about your ability to point and click just your inability to comprehend the most basic tenents of military tactics. I can click all day about brain surgery, that doesn't mean I understand it. Try and educate yourself. Morgan placed his militia so they could not run, he had no faith in them, as per a US web site. You seem to make this more about me than your actual post. It was the fact you said Morgan thought the British were elitist, I simply pointed out why he placed his troops were he did. As well as the fact he had little faith in them. He planned from the beginning to have them form were they did and fake a panic what is so hard to understand about that. Noticed you don't have an excuse for what happened in Mass. No this is hardly about you and I have no intent to make it about you. The alternative to my assesment is A. The militia was useless so B, The outnumbered colonial regulars beat the best army in the world at the time at their own game.

Politesub53 -> RE: Was the 2nd Amendment a bone tossed to Slave States? (2/2/2013 3:27:51 AM)
I shall bow out Bama. You quite obviously feel I have no right speaking about the War of Independance, since you clearly stated I think I know more about your history than you. I wont ask you who was King of America at the time, nor what Country he was ruled. I wont ask you how several American States came to be named after members of the Royal Family or after places in Britain. I wont ask you where the inspiration for Washingtons flag comes from. I wont ask you which army you were fighting, because obviously by your own admission, thats just American history. Fuck it, I wont even ask you which language you speak, or where your ancestors probably came from, as again, none of that is part of British history. No point me answering any questions on 1776 until the above sinks in. [8\|]

MrRodgers -> RE: Was the 2nd Amendment a bone tossed to Slave States? (2/2/2013 5:21:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata The "bone" was gun-control, not the Second Amendment. Gun-control originated as a way to keep guns out of black hands. K. I don't think so. Slaves were not persons (or enough of one...3/5) and thus had no rights 'whiteman was bound to respect.'

BamaD -> RE: Was the 2nd Amendment a bone tossed to Slave States? (2/2/2013 3:04:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 I shall bow out Bama. You quite obviously feel I have no right speaking about the War of Independance, since you clearly stated I think I know more about your history than you. I wont ask you who was King of America at the time, nor what Country he was ruled. I wont ask you how several American States came to be named after members of the Royal Family or after places in Britain. I wont ask you where the inspiration for Washingtons flag comes from. I wont ask you which army you were fighting, because obviously by your own admission, thats just American history. Fuck it, I wont even ask you which language you speak, or where your ancestors probably came from, as again, none of that is part of British history. No point me answering any questions on 1776 until the above sinks in. [8\|] Places were named after places people came from. After 1776 We didn't have a king a fact finally recognized by England in 1783 Unlike George III I speak English and my ancestors came from Germany, and Scotland, that is the ones who weren't here when Columbus showed up.

BamaD -> RE: Was the 2nd Amendment a bone tossed to Slave States? (2/2/2013 3:08:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata The "bone" was gun-control, not the Second Amendment. Gun-control originated as a way to keep guns out of black hands. K. I don't think so. Slaves were not persons (or enough of one...3/5) and thus had no rights 'whiteman was bound to respect.' Mr rodgers you clearly missed the first part of this thread were this myth was totally debunked, rather than repeat all that I refer you to the first part of this thread. The second part of your missunderstanding comes from the fact that gun control was a post Civil War development at which time the 3/5 clause had been made defunct by the end of slavery.

Politesub53 -> RE: Was the 2nd Amendment a bone tossed to Slave States? (2/2/2013 4:35:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Places were named after places people came from. After 1776 We didn't have a king a fact finally recognized by England in 1783 Unlike George III I speak English and my ancestors came from Germany, and Scotland, that is the ones who weren't here when Columbus showed up. Not all places and not all States.........Georgia, Maryland, Carolina, Virginia.......all named after English Royals. Psst, if you were not recognised by England until 1783, guess who was king until then...lets not forget not everyone wanted to break ties either. George III was, Like me, born in London, that makes him English, he also spoke English..... Your Scots ancestors were also descended from the original British Celts, much like the rest of us. Want to try again ?

BamaD -> RE: Was the 2nd Amendment a bone tossed to Slave States? (2/2/2013 4:57:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Places were named after places people came from. After 1776 We didn't have a king a fact finally recognized by England in 1783 Unlike George III I speak English and my ancestors came from Germany, and Scotland, that is the ones who weren't here when Columbus showed up. Not all places and not all States.........Georgia, Maryland, Carolina, Virginia.......all named after English Royals. Psst, if you were not recognised by England until 1783, guess who was king until then...lets not forget not everyone wanted to break ties either. George III was, Like me, born in London, that makes him English, he also spoke English..... Your Scots ancestors were also descended from the original British Celts, much like the rest of us. Want to try again ? psst we told them to get out in 76 just because the English didn't admit it till 83 doesn't make it so.

BamaD -> RE: Was the 2nd Amendment a bone tossed to Slave States? (2/3/2013 11:48:50 AM)
Note that both France and Spain recognized us well before the British admitted that the independence we declared in 76 was fact. Nationalist China still claimed mainland China well into the 70s by your logic that means that mainland China did not gain independence until that time, do you really want to defend that fantasy?

Politesub53 -> RE: Was the 2nd Amendment a bone tossed to Slave States? (2/3/2013 1:04:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Note that both France and Spain recognized us well before the British admitted that the independence we declared in 76 was fact. More bullshit. France didnt recognise Independance until 1778 and Spain didnt until 1783, this despite both fighting on your side. Something your professor obviously forgot.

BamaD -> RE: Was the 2nd Amendment a bone tossed to Slave States? (2/3/2013 5:21:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Note that both France and Spain recognized us well before the British admitted that the independence we declared in 76 was fact. More bullshit. France didnt recognise Independance until 1778 and Spain didnt until 1783, this despite both fighting on your side. Something your professor obviously forgot. 1778 much closer to 1776 than to 1783 5 years is well before the English admitted it. And you didn't respond to the China question.

BamaD -> RE: Was the 2nd Amendment a bone tossed to Slave States? (2/3/2013 5:29:12 PM)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain_in_the_American_Revolutionary_War Note in this that Spain granted us most favored nation status in are you ready 1777 can't do that for just part of a country,

BamaD -> RE: Was the 2nd Amendment a bone tossed to Slave States? (2/3/2013 6:00:31 PM)
Clearly, and this has been obvious since you ran off on this silly diversion that you are trying to covince me that the American Revolution is British history. Duh we had to revolt and beat someone it was the British. However it is only human nature that the best army in the world while trying to explain thier defeat would downplay the "amatures" and blame it on anything else, even the hated French. Now what is your excuse for why the militias handed the British regulars thier heads at Lexenton and Concord particularly on that brutal march back to Boston.

BamaD -> RE: Was the 2nd Amendment a bone tossed to Slave States? (2/3/2013 6:05:41 PM)
Here is something from a man who thinks like you do. www.apfn.org/apfn/bcolony.htm

Powergamz1 -> RE: Was the 2nd Amendment a bone tossed to Slave States? (2/3/2013 9:29:26 PM)
Try a calendar. quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata The "bone" was gun-control, not the Second Amendment. Gun-control originated as a way to keep guns out of black hands. K. I don't think so. Slaves were not persons (or enough of one...3/5) and thus had no rights 'whiteman was bound to respect.'

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