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Right here is where you could frame reasonable (sorry 'bout that DesideriScuri), workable gun controls that have minimal affect on honest Jo Average sporting shooter.

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In this age, a right to bear arms orta include a valid reason. Vermin control is a reason outside suburbia.... Even "home security" is fine by me, IF a particular individual can demonstate (Police report, for eg) that their home had indeed had its security breached with violent intent.

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A blanket ban on assault rifles - and frankly, any firearm designed predominantly for military application, including civilian imitations. A blanket ban on any full auto - considering there are those here inclined to catagorically state that "no-one" (apparently) goes hunting with a full auto....

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A limit on guns any individual can own without requiring a dealer's licence - which would include specific secure storage requirements.

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There's three - anyone?
Australia's gun laws have a strong element of knee-jerk over-reaction, any fair-minded Aussie without an agenda knows that. In comparison, the US doesn't have any controls at all. In between is an ocean of wriggle room. And still not one pro-gunner here will concede a micron beyond passive controls, no matter what the appalling body count.

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How 'bout you, jlf1961? Five assault rifles, five??? And now you "need" an M14 ta boot? Beyond that, how would the above truly impact your gun lifestyle? And your 15 guns was "only" 13 a few weeks ago in the other gun control thread. Do you even know how many guns *you really have* laying about? I'm makin' room for my sister to move in for a few weeks and I've been somewhat stunned (and pleasantly surprised) at stuff (non weapons) I didn't know I still had.
Focus.

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• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

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How 'bout you, jlf1961? Five assault rifles, five??? And now you "need" an M14 ta boot? Beyond that, how would the above truly impact your gun lifestyle? And your 15 guns was "only" 13 a few weeks ago in the other gun control thread. Do you even know how many guns *you really have* laying about? I'm makin' room for my sister to move in for a few weeks and I've been somewhat stunned (and pleasantly surprised) at stuff (non weapons) I didn't know I still had.

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First, in all parts of this country, the main source of food is drive-throughs. A hunter going out alone as part of regular chores, and stocking the larder hasn't been the norm for a while.

Second, if the overwhelming majority of 'hunters' could find their ass with both hands, the aisles at WalMart/Kmart/BassPro and every local outdoor sports shop wouldn't be piled high with 50 lb bags of corn, timed deer feeders, trail-cams, tree-stands, and 4XL camo. There wouldn't be hunter shootings in every rural county in the US during hunting season. Alcohol sales wouldn't spike on the way to hunt camps. Deer population wouldn't be at disease spreading levels.
And the military wouldn't have such an abysmal rate of 'good ole boys' needing to be taught how to hit a target without a scope.


As long as you are peddling tired old fantasies, got any bridges?

I find that fact that you used the word fantasy to describe anyone else's perspective to be palpably ironic.

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First, in all parts of this country, the main source of food is drive-throughs. A hunter going out alone as part of regular chores, and stocking the larder hasn't been the norm for a while.

Second, if the overwhelming majority of 'hunters' could find their ass with both hands, the aisles at WalMart/Kmart/BassPro and every local outdoor sports shop wouldn't be piled high with 50 lb bags of corn, timed deer feeders, trail-cams, tree-stands, and 4XL camo. There wouldn't be hunter shootings in every rural county in the US during hunting season. Alcohol sales wouldn't spike on the way to hunt camps. Deer population wouldn't be at disease spreading levels.
And the military wouldn't have such an abysmal rate of 'good ole boys' needing to be taught how to hit a target without a scope.


As long as you are peddling tired old fantasies, got any bridges?

I wonder if we could be allowed for once to call this hyperbole what it actually is.

LIES

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

Consider it a clinical diagnosis.

Or perhaps you'd like to provide a single shred of factual evidence to the contrary? No? That's what I thought.

Also of diagnostic interest is the fact that there weren't any in your post either.

K.

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Thirty thousand annual gun deaths...

You are either misinformed or making shit up. In the United States, the total for murders and non-negligent homicides by any means is less than half that, and the numbers for both homicide and violent crime in general have been trending downward since 1992 while rates of gun ownership and concealed carry have increased.

FBI Uniform Crime Reports

K.

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If you want to make the extreme assertion that any of what I posted is factually wrong, the burden is on you to provide extreme proof proof of your whacky claim.

Well I'll give you credit for a droll sense of humor, but my "whacky claim" (which in any universe other than your own would be called an observation of fact) was that you offered no support your assertions.

Let me know when you have some.

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Cant we just get an online petition to remove all elected officials in Washington, including President Obama and put BamaD, Karata, and Tazzy in charge?

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LOL!

If we are successful.... since pay is based upon performance... do we make more money like the CEOs?

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If you want to make the extreme assertion that any of what I posted is factually wrong, the burden is on you to provide extreme proof proof of your whacky claim.

Well I'll give you credit for a droll sense of humor, but my "whacky claim" (which in any universe other than your own would be called an observation of fact) was that you offered no support your assertions.

Let me know when you have some.

K.

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LOL!

If we are successful.... since pay is based upon performance... do we make more money like the CEOs?

I figure a salary cap at 400k a year, Sorry.

We are trying to fix the government, not put it further in debt.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Hey, there is only 3 of us as opposed to 535 in the House and Senate alone, before we even get to staff....

Whoa.... first problem to tackle... Unemployment just exploded.

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...with a gun I at least have a chance.

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Well this does raise an interesting point about frame of reference... the actual occurence of hunting in the US although an anachronism, does remain part of a direct lineage going back to the colonist/monarchist split.

In England, all wildlife belonged to the Crown (the charge for poaching was 'Taking the king's deer', and was a no-no for peasants, barring the occasional bunny-bop.
The elite were allowed all sorts of sports and gluttonous feasting on the results of the carnage, but the average person was already getting their animal food from knackers and fishermen at the time Daniel Boone was splitting bullets and kilting 'Bars'.

The image of the lone woodsman in the US remained one of providing food for one's own table. Even though it has morphed into today's alcohol fueled spree shooting where countless deer, corn feeders, floodlights, and the occasional enemy hunter die annually, the mythical image remains. It is a twin of the Gary Cooper lone hero with a six-shooter making entire communities safe against hirsute and unkempt gangs. The closest the Brits have to that iconic image is something called I believe 'Morris Dancing'...

Your "vast" knowledge of English history is "astounding" to put it mildly.

To be fair, my image of the standard gun-toting hunting fan in the USA is of a dangerously obese, sweating lump of an overworked businessman shoe-horning himself out of a four-by-four in order to risk a coronary waddling across rough terrain at a brisk pace for over thirty minutes, farting profusely, while shooting at animals whose meat - given the time and expense involved - he could have bought for far less in the supermarket. Having blown the brains out of a tiny, half crippled baby deer, he'll pick up his booty and drive to the nearest bar where, in order to celebrate his hunting prowess, he'll shovel obscene quantities of steak, fries, and gassy weak beer into his belly before driving home to his wife, who's spent the night watching erotic films and nostalgically reminiscing about the days, decades ago, when her husband could last get it up and give her a seeing-to.

However, I'm sure that this is just as silly a stereotype about American hunters as was that of Powergamz, with his picture of British Morris Dancers.

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ORIGINAL: Winterapple

FR
Protecting yourself and your domesticated animals against
wildlife predators is a legit reason to own a shotgun in certain
rural and remote areas. Mountain lions, bears, wild hogs, coyotes,
8 foot ground rattlers, etc. On my families land we've been deviled
by wild hogs. Dangerous animals, aggressive animals. Rather large
with enormous tusks that could kill a man.

A great many people feed themselves and their families with
hunting and fishing. Hard to kill a duck or a pheasant with a bow.

In some remote areas the nearest police could be hours away.
If Dick and Perry show up a shotgun might not be the worst thing
to have on hand.

Country life is different than city life or suburbia.
But there's no need for an assault rifle in any of these places.
Self defense and hunting don't require them.

The argument that because gun ownership is a right the question
of why a certain weapon is needed can't be brought into the
conversation is to me silly. Americans have the right to free speech
but there are restrictions on it nonetheless. You can't legally threaten
the president or call in a bomb threat. There are slander and libel
laws. Americans have the right to vote but you have to be an adult
and the right to vote can be taken away from you if you are a convicted
felon.

Assault weapons exist for one purpose to kill as many people as
possible as quickly as possible. They should only be in the hands
of the military. If you believe you need assault weapons to protect
yourself from the US military, that you must have them on hand to
kill American soldiers please remove the I support the troops
bumper sticker from your vehicle or better yet find another country
to move to.

Right here is where you could frame reasonable (sorry 'bout that DesideriScuri), workable gun controls that have minimal affect on honest Jo Average sporting shooter.

In this age, a right to bear arms orta include a valid reason. Vermin control is a reason outside suburbia.... Even "home security" is fine by me, IF a particular individual can demonstate (Police report, for eg) that their home had indeed had its security breached with violent intent.

A blanket ban on assault rifles - and frankly, any firearm designed predominantly for military application, including civilian imitations. A blanket ban on any full auto - considering there are those here inclined to catagorically state that "no-one" (apparently) goes hunting with a full auto....

A limit on guns any individual can own without requiring a dealer's licence - which would include specific secure storage requirements.

There's three - anyone?

Australia's gun laws have a strong element of knee-jerk over-reaction, any fair-minded Aussie without an agenda knows that. In comparison, the US doesn't have any controls at all. In between is an ocean of wriggle room. And still not one pro-gunner here will concede a micron beyond passive controls, no matter what the appalling body count.

How 'bout you, jlf1961? Five assault rifles, five??? And now you "need" an M14 ta boot? Beyond that, how would the above truly impact your gun lifestyle? And your 15 guns was "only" 13 a few weeks ago in the other gun control thread. Do you even know how many guns *you really have* laying about? I'm makin' room for my sister to move in for a few weeks and I've been somewhat stunned (and pleasantly surprised) at stuff (non weapons) I didn't know I still had.

Focus.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
I don't care if you need them or not. Have all you want. But just be responsible for what you own. 500,000 stolen guns a year tells me not everyone is.

Two years ago my home was robbed. They stole a gun. The police arrived (45 minutes after I called) to collect their information for the report. When I listed the items that were stolen and got to the gun he winced and started calmly lecturing me about not having it locked up. I walked over to the door and pointed to the still engaged deadbolt and the splintered door facing and asked him precisely what did that look like to him. I then asked him if we were finished with our business and pointed again towards the now un-closeable door. The house was locked. How many of those 500K guns do you think were left on the sidewalk for anyone to take?

All of my medicine cabinets had been opened. Should we have drug safes, tazzy? Some degenerate meth head kicks in my door and it's my fault. Lovely. I'm the victim here but suddenly I'm at fault. You might want to avoid rape discussions.