Politesub53
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From what I can tell, the British and Aussie attitude of "It works for us, and therefore it will work for everyone" is a major problem with discussing a uniquely American problem with them.
They propose extreme solutions to a problem where a middle ground can be found. Their solutions seem to imply that gun owners, with legal weapons, who follow the laws of the land are the ones doing all the killing of other people.
The suggestions of raids to clean up the criminal gun owners neglect to take into consideration the fourth amendment.
They also fail to take into account that there are vast areas of this country with various predators and pest animals, some of which were introduced to this country by European colonists, not just the brits.
Add to that they seem to think that Americans buy firearms for the sake of buying firearms, ignoring the fact some collect firearms, and some people like myself have a specific use for each weapon I own, so each may be based on the same design, but they are set up differently. Just like hammers, there are different hammers for different uses, same basic tool, but variations on purpose.
For deer I use a one of the bolt actions 308's depending on the area I am hunting or if I plan on using a stand or blind. For wild hogs, each AR I own is suited for each type of conditions I may encounter during the hunt, heavy brush, open pasture, broken terrain or in the canyons and around what the locals refer to as mountains, or the size of the hogs, I have recently gotten a special order AR based rifle that is suited for dealing with the bigger boars we have around here.
And I have one AR based rifle that is what I prefer to use in hunting coyotes.
In a nutshell, the AR based rifle is easy to configure for various situations and terrain, unlike a bolt action.
England has a few thousand years of settlement by humans, during that time, most if not all large predators that may have been native to the country have been eliminated. They dont seem to grasp that the US is a continent spanning country with various types of wildlife ranging from large predators such as wolves or cougars, and the large omnivores like bears. We have a variety of game animals of various sizes ranging from the medium sized deer in the south west, antelope, elk, moose, caribou, moose, big horn sheep, mountain goats. We also have a variety of pest animals, coyotes being the most prolific and the biggest problem.
There is no universal firearm solution for dealing with the varied wildlife in this country, and those people who claim there is and it is either a bolt action, lever action or a shotgun, are wrong. And as anyone who knows firearms knows the barrel of a shot gun is not normally rifled, so a slug fired from a shotgun is not as accurate as a rifle bullet although you can buy rifled shotgun barrels.
Of course I have suggested that the US provide bears, wolves and cougars to the British in significant numbers to provide the British with a large enough breeding population of each in order to give the rural citizens of that country a bit of excitement. And the introduction of large predators would help contain their own wild pig problems.
Now on another point the brits and aussies have constantly brought up, suicide by gun is not considered a violent crime in the US because the act is self inflicted, there for the Department of Justice does not add that into crime figures
Would you have us count suicide by intentional overdose as part of the problem with prescription drug abuse? Would suicide by carbon monoxide poisoning be considered an automobile accident? Is a suicide by turning on the gas in a oven considered a home accident? Suicide by hanging oneself, is that a death by strangulation and thus considered a violent crime?
The gun debate started because of a criminal act, lets stick to that, and not try to drag in unrelated uses of a gun in the killing of oneself.
The only thing that connects the two is the use of a gun, and not even the same type of gun.
However, looking at comparative statistics, which seems to be the preferred tactic used against Americans, might I suggest the UK put restrictions on the purchase of rope, and the UK might want to consider banning alcohol. The UK has a very high rate of suicide by hanging, and compared to the States, the UK definitely has a drinking problem.
You seem to be trying to get further away from the OP with each post. Not many people have suggested banning all guns, just the AR15 types, which like it or not, have been responsible for the last five mass murders.
Your knowledge of the UK also seems pretty slim. You are also making generalisations about all British posters. Many of us have said we see the point about animals and self defense, so lets stop playing games and comment on what people have actually posted.
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