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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

I hear a tap dance, but no melody.

Simply prove that the points *and* links I posted are wrong, or play this internet game by yourself.

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

Your claim that I didn't back up my claims by posting those links that proved them to be true.

You made the claim in post 282. Your next post 325 offered no links. Your next post 327 asked Hillwilliam to prove you weren't right. Post 328 asked Kirata to prove you weren't right. The next time you posted 332 you accused Hillwilliam of trying to get the thread closed. Post 334 was my post. In post 339 after I posted my reply you gave a few links.

so my claim that you hadn't backed up jack shit was correct.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

you've chosen to stick with faith based dogma.

What faith-based dogma would that be, precisely?

K.

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ORIGINAL: punisher440

You have been asked to list links backing up your "claims" yet you try to put the burden of digging the info up on those you disagree with.Well,let me help you out a little.I only looked up Arkansas[my home state] and what I have found is this.Only 50% of hunting injuries are gun related,the other half being falls[usually from tree stands].Since 1985 in Arkansas if you were born after 1-1-1969,you have to take a 10 hour hunter ed course and pass it to even go hunting.Starting in 2001 there were 33 injuries[not deaths] with the rate dropping to what appears to be 6[it's a chart ].Since there are over 70 counties in Arkansas,your "claim" missed the mark by a long shot.The highest fatal year was 2002 and that appears to be 6[remember falls account for 50%].And let's not forget all these drunken hunters killing each other and destroying property.OF the 160 reported incidents,there is alcohol data on 104.Of the 104 incidents,only 5 involved alcohol...3 involving gun shot wounds[2 fell and shot themselves,1 fell and shot a hunting partner],2 involving falls from tree stands.So out a period between 2001 and 2010,there are only 5 incidents involving drunk hunters.

I am not going to take up more of my time looking up other states,if you want to prove me wrong,you do your own research instead of spouting off stuff off the top of your head.Your "claims" of baiting and other hunting things just shows you have little interest in facts.In Arkansas,it is completely legal to put out corn or any type of attractant for deer.What few realize that it is hunters and fishermen that purchase hunting license,guns,ammo[taxes on the guns and ammo] that pay the state to support wildlife in the state.Let's not discount the extra money that hunters spend in pursuit of their sport that helps hard hit rural areas in this economy.Also add in the jobs created to make those tree stands,game cameras,clothing,etc that would not be there except due to the hunters spending their hard earned money.Yes,me and my family have a deer hunting camp on our land and we allow a few friends to hunt with us...but they first sign a statement that lists our camp rules.The 1st rule on the list? NO ALCOHOL ALLOWED,if found even in their vehicle they are banned.I'm not saying every camp is this strict but in todays "sue happy" environment,few tolerate drunks in camp.

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

Do you have anything other than fraudulently pretending that I *didn't* provide factual links, and then making up a bunch of nonsense that I never wrote?

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1
You know as well as I do that I never wrote 'deaths in every county', I asserted that todays hunters are nowhere near the skill level of a lone frontiersman from 200 years ago, and that they too often shoot things besides their intended game, every year.

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1
The links I provided prove that the number of times those things are humans, supports my claim... a thousand plus wounded and killed annually over fairly recent years, slowly declining to hundreds after a massive hunter safety program.
Add in the mailboxes, family pets, houses, trees, livestock, vehicles etc. and the facts remain exactly what they are... facts. Modern hunters as a whole pepper the landscape.

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1
You can throw in the 'but its legal' red herring all you want, legal or not, baiting and floodlighting, and trailcams, and scopes etc. are not hunting skills on a par with the way it used to be done...simply walking out the door carrying nothing but a rifle and a few bullets to get dinner by tracking and making a clean kill.

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1
Your 'no true Scotmans' fallacy about bad hunting camps does nothing to prove my assertion that there is a problem with alcohol and hunting season. The problem still exists.

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Every year there are approximately 800 non-fatal hunting accidents and 100 fatal. When considering the massive amount of hunters nation-wide (appx 20 million), it can be said that hunting is generally safe. Of course, many accidents are unreported because people are not aware of their legal rights. They are often confused about the causes and ramifications of hunting accidents. This article is here to help.

First we will analyze frequent causes of accidents. Then we will look at reliable methods for increasing safety. Finally we will investigate your legal rights if you find yourself in the unfortunate position of dealing with a hunting accident.
Source
2010 TEXAS HUNTING INCIDENTS ANALYSIS


Alcohol was a factor in only two of the 101 total hunting accidents reported during the past three years, TPWD records show.
You were saying what?

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1
All of the internet disingenuity exhibited so far, isn't going to change the reality... That the 'modern day Daniel Boone as the norm' myth is exactly that... a myth.

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As for baiting with deer corn, or feeds, it is legal to do so up to hunting season, after that it is illegal.

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ORIGINAL: punisher440

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As for baiting with deer corn, or feeds, it is legal to do so up to hunting season, after that it is illegal.

Jlf,each state is different.In Arkansas you can hunt over bait for deer only...not ducks,turkey,dove or bear.But with deer favoring acorns over most bait,it does not help that much.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
To be fair, my image of the standard gun-toting hunting fan in the USA is of a dangerously obese, sweating lump of an overworked businessman shoe-horning himself out of a four-by-four in order to risk a coronary waddling across rough terrain at a brisk pace for over thirty minutes, farting profusely, while shooting at animals whose meat - given the time and expense involved - he could have bought for far less in the supermarket. Having blown the brains out of a tiny, half crippled baby deer, he'll pick up his booty and drive to the nearest bar where, in order to celebrate his hunting prowess, he'll shovel obscene quantities of steak, fries, and gassy weak beer into his belly before driving home to his wife, who's spent the night watching erotic films and nostalgically reminiscing about the days, decades ago, when her husband could last get it up and give her a seeing-to.

However, I'm sure that this is just as silly a stereotype about American hunters as was that of Powergamz, with his picture of British Morris Dancers.

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

Do you have anything other than fraudulently pretending that I *didn't* provide factual links, and then making up a bunch of nonsense that I never wrote?

You know as well as I do that I never wrote 'deaths in every county', I asserted that todays hunters are nowhere near the skill level of a lone frontiersman from 200 years ago, and that they too often shoot things besides their intended game, every year.

The links I provided prove that the number of times those things are humans, supports my claim... a thousand plus wounded and killed annually over fairly recent years, slowly declining to hundreds after a massive hunter safety program.
Add in the mailboxes, family pets, houses, trees, livestock, vehicles etc. and the facts remain exactly what they are... facts. Modern hunters as a whole pepper the landscape.

You can throw in the 'but its legal' red herring all you want, legal or not, baiting and floodlighting, and trailcams, and scopes etc. are not hunting skills on a par with the way it used to be done...simply walking out the door carrying nothing but a rifle and a few bullets to get dinner by tracking and making a clean kill.

Your 'no true Scotmans' fallacy about bad hunting camps does nothing to prove my assertion that there is a problem with alcohol and hunting season. The problem still exists.


All of the internet disingenuity exhibited so far, isn't going to change the reality... That the 'modern day Daniel Boone as the norm' myth is exactly that... a myth.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

K, just accept the obvious, the brits, and by extension of common heritage, the Aussies still feel like they can dictate law and domestic policy inside the US...

I think some of them have actually forgotten who won the Revolutionary War.

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ORIGINAL: Focus50

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

K, just accept the obvious, the brits, and by extension of common heritage, the Aussies still feel like they can dictate law and domestic policy inside the US...

I think some of them have actually forgotten who won the Revolutionary War.

Soooo, still can't yet grasp we evil foreigners are in fact partaking in a public *discussion* forum and not dictating anyone's policy.

It's our or my fault your defensive paranoia renders you and yours incapable of actually discussing? Or stand up to a little scrutiny? Hell, how can anyone forget the revolutionary war when you're still living there....

Focus.

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ORIGINAL: InsaneSerenity

so i take it you don't think making sure your government does not enslave you is not a valid reason? Do we need to go through the list of homicidal maniacs whose first order of business was to make sure civilians couldn't defend themselves?

You need to do your research, it is illegal for a citizen of the USA to buy a fully automatic weapon, except for special cases that involve guns with historical value, and even these guns are extremely limited, and extremely expensive to buy. To get one a person needs to register with the ATF, let the ATF do a full background check, which from what i understand takes a year, and pay a few grand or so once the ATF decides they can buy the historical weapon. You can't get a new fully automatic weapon, and that law went into effect sometime in the mid 70's.

Please look at the terms you are using. An ' assault weapon' as you are using the term is a gun that happens to look scary to certain people, but just like every other gun on the market, it fires only 1 round per trigger pull. That is it.

Oh, another fun fact, assault weapons are almost never used for crime. Less than 1% of crimes are committed with so called assault weapons.

Handguns are used for crime. And large magazines don't mean anything, the Virginia Tech killer had 17 magazines in his bag filled and ready to use. Do you think a limit on number of rounds in a magazine would have mattered to him?

Oh, and let's take a look at violent crime in the US compared to say, the UK, since they have a supposed ban on guns. It isn't doing them any good, violent crimes with guns is on the rise in the UK, while it is at an all time low in the US. Also, violent crimes as a whole are more prevalent per capita in the UK, and if you compare urban areas, there is no difference in gun crimes.

Nothing I have said isn't hard to find on the web. A gun ban in the US has nothing to do with guns, and everything to do with enslaving the citizens of the US, just like these people's idols, aka Mussolini, Hitler, Mao, Castro, etc, etc,etc, did.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

K, just accept the obvious, the brits, and by extension of common heritage, the Aussies still feel like they can dictate law and domestic policy inside the US...

I think some of them have actually forgotten who won the Revolutionary War.