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ORIGINAL: Notsweet

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Who are they asking to pay for it?

As an aside, Tazzy, I've always liked that you always look at both sides of things. Just wanted to say that.

Regarding the paying, we've been subsidizing abortions since Roe v Wade, as that was the intent of that bill to begin. People here who remember it taking effect (which means they're old, like me!) will recall that that was the prime argument at the time--that poor women allegedly couldn't get a clinical abortion and were forced to do the back alley thing.

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ORIGINAL: Notsweet

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Where did you get the crazy idea anyone was asking YOU to pay for anything as a result of New York State's proposed legislation?

Really. Please list the entire range of providers of abortion services in Mississippi.

Read Roe v Wade, and take a look at the tax code under ObamaCare.

And regarding Mississippi, why should they have a clinic if the majority of their people don't want one?

And again, why do we assume here that abortion is the only option?

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ORIGINAL: Notsweet

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Who are they asking to pay for it?

As an aside, Tazzy, I've always liked that you always look at both sides of things. Just wanted to say that.

Regarding the paying, we've been subsidizing abortions since Roe v Wade, as that was the intent of that bill to begin. People here who remember it taking effect (which means they're old, like me!) will recall that that was the prime argument at the time--that poor women allegedly couldn't get a clinical abortion and were forced to do the back alley thing.

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Thank you....

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Section 2 of the bill creates a new Article 17 of the Public Health
Law (PHL), which establishes in statute affirmative reproductive
rights, specifically: (1) the fundamental right of every individual
to choose or refuse contraception, and (2) the fundamental right of
every female to determine the course of her pregnancy. Section 2 of
the bill further states that an abortion may be performed by a
qualified practitioner in the absence of fetal viability and at any
time when necessary to protects a female's life or health.

Qualified practitioner.. negates the belief that a case worker can perform one.

Well that does make me feel better. Now was this the actual wording of the bill? I ask because the article quote was different in the wording.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Thank you....

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Section 2 of the bill creates a new Article 17 of the Public Health
Law (PHL), which establishes in statute affirmative reproductive
rights, specifically: (1) the fundamental right of every individual
to choose or refuse contraception, and (2) the fundamental right of
every female to determine the course of her pregnancy. Section 2 of
the bill further states that an abortion may be performed by a
qualified practitioner in the absence of fetal viability and at any
time when necessary to protects a female's life or health.

Qualified practitioner.. negates the belief that a case worker can perform one.

Well that does make me feel better. Now was this the actual wording of the bill? I ask because the article quote was different in the wording.

Yes, which is why I wanted to see the actual bill.

http://open.nysenate.gov/legislation/bill/s2844-2011

Fargle found it for me....

All the sites I was seeing about it was coming from religious or right to life groups....

It seemed a bit distorted but I wanted to see for myself.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

NPs can legally perform abortions in Montana, Vermont, Rhode Island, California, and New Hampshire. Apparently, New York, Illinois, Connecticut, Oregon, New Jersey, and Washington State have issued opinions saying NPs can do abortions, too.

http://www.prochoice.org/cfc/resources/timeline.html

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

NPs can legally perform abortions in Montana, Vermont, Rhode Island, California, and New Hampshire. Apparently, New York, Illinois, Connecticut, Oregon, New Jersey, and Washington State have issued opinions saying NPs can do abortions, too.

http://www.prochoice.org/cfc/resources/timeline.html

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

NPs can legally perform abortions in Montana, Vermont, Rhode Island, California, and New Hampshire. Apparently, New York, Illinois, Connecticut, Oregon, New Jersey, and Washington State have issued opinions saying NPs can do abortions, too.

http://www.prochoice.org/cfc/resources/timeline.html

I did not know that. I have never looked into getting an abortion either. That is interesting.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

But allowing a few people's morals to dictate what they many may or may not do, will never work.

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ORIGINAL: RacerJim

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

But allowing a few people's morals to dictate what they many may or may not do, will never work.

But allowing a few people's morals to dictate what the many people may or may not do, has already worked for the few GLBT people. And the result, at least in our military, has been a drastic increase in same-sex physical assaults...primarily male-against-male.

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ORIGINAL: RacerJim

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

But allowing a few people's morals to dictate what they many may or may not do, will never work.

But allowing a few people's morals to dictate what the many people may or may not do, has already worked for the few GLBT people. And the result, at least in our military, has been a drastic increase in same-sex physical assaults...primarily male-against-male.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I am calling horseshit.  credible citations. 

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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ORIGINAL: RacerJim

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

But allowing a few people's morals to dictate what they many may or may not do, will never work.

But allowing a few people's morals to dictate what the many people may or may not do, has already worked for the few GLBT people. And the result, at least in our military, has been a drastic increase in same-sex physical assaults...primarily male-against-male.

LGTB .....

I dont have to be a part of that group to want them to have the same rights I do.

Polls indicate the majority agree with same sex marriages. They also seem to agree that DOMA is a bad law.

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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While current law states that only a “duly licensed physician” may perform an abortion, this bill would allow any “licensed health care practitioner” to perform the procedure prior to viability. This dangerous and extreme change clearly puts women’s health at risk, and mirrors a national abortion strategy to permit non-doctors to perform abortions due to the declining number of physicians willing to do so.

Oh goody. Now doesn't THAT sound insane.

This means that a social worker or your CT tech could give you an abortion. Sign up for food stamps, an MRI on your knee and a D&C all in the same day at the same visit. Progress is great!

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ORIGINAL: Notsweet
Why do liberals all make it sound like pregnancy is something that simply happens out of thin air, and that the man and woman have absolutely NO control over it (unless someone else pays for it), has no idea how it happened, so now are entitled to kill it (which they also want someone else to pay for)?