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A Cautionary Tale - 6/19/2006 5:14:13 PM   
OedipusRexIt


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Someone with whom I've been speaking online for a month or so just revealed herself to be two someones to whom I've been speaking...

One was a fake profile created to test my veracity.

Apparently, I passed the test and so was rewarded with the truth, and an invitation I poliely declined.  That kind of thing is a total deal-killer.


Since this isn't a person on this site, I thought I'd mention it, vis-a-vis the discussion regarding online reality.  Both personas were pleasant and seemed real, but neither one was real, in my opinion.

Poseurs abound here and elsewhere, and many people are comfortable with "little white lies".

Just a cautionary tale.  I imagine others have similar experiences.

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RE: A Cautionary Tale - 6/19/2006 5:19:44 PM   
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Yeah, I've heard of that before.  It's kinda self defeating tho.  I mean, veracity?  What veracity?  Not that you lack it, Rex, but you're just talking to her, right?  You didn't declare your undying love or tell her that you are really Bill Gates, did you?  Don't you just love passing the test and then refusing the "prize"?

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RE: A Cautionary Tale - 6/19/2006 5:25:55 PM   
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that stinks.... right now a sub I have been talking with decided to tell me she is still involved with someone else, apparently "just broke up" even though before she told me she was all set...darn it, whenever it seems to "work" for me, there is a surprise...it was almost too good to be true..

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RE: A Cautionary Tale - 6/19/2006 5:27:36 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: OedipusRexIt

Someone with whom I've been speaking online for a month or so just revealed herself to be two someones to whom I've been speaking...

One was a fake profile created to test my veracity.

Apparently, I passed the test and so was rewarded with the truth, and an invitation I poliely declined.  That kind of thing is a total deal-killer.


Since this isn't a person on this site, I thought I'd mention it, vis-a-vis the discussion regarding online reality.  Both personas were pleasant and seemed real, but neither one was real, in my opinion.

Poseurs abound here and elsewhere, and many people are comfortable with "little white lies".

Just a cautionary tale.  I imagine others have similar experiences.



Form My point of veiw you passed the test you should be happy.
not passing would/could mean your not worthy and Shes moving on.

I know I have tests subtle that they are but they must be done to know the truth behind the motive for contact.

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RE: A Cautionary Tale - 6/19/2006 5:37:36 PM   
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Be thankful you found out before any further involvement. I've never been an advocate of setting up some to give them an opportunity to lie. Deception is deception and I don't believe in ends justifying means.

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RE: A Cautionary Tale - 6/19/2006 5:38:44 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: OedipusRexIt

Someone with whom I've been speaking online for a month or so just revealed herself to be two someones to whom I've been speaking...

One was a fake profile created to test my veracity.

Apparently, I passed the test and so was rewarded with the truth, and an invitation I poliely declined.  That kind of thing is a total deal-killer.


Since this isn't a person on this site, I thought I'd mention it, vis-a-vis the discussion regarding online reality.  Both personas were pleasant and seemed real, but neither one was real, in my opinion.

Poseurs abound here and elsewhere, and many people are comfortable with "little white lies".

Just a cautionary tale.  I imagine others have similar experiences.


Thanks for sharing. Let me guess, did she seem to feel that your discovery of her dishonesty should have been greeted warmly, whereas any dishonsty on your part would have been righteously condemned?

There is no question that online interaction brings a new infinite set of ways to be dishonest into the picture, in addition obviously to the infinite set of ways to be dishonest in person.

I offer a quick prayer of thanks when someone reveals him or herself to be so clearly beyond any hope of consideration as even a casual friend, never mind a potential partner.

My hat is off to you for giving her the gracious an unmistakeable response she deserved.

Of course the upside to the potential slipperyness of online communication is that when you do encounter people of integrity--and I'm pleased to have met and befriended several--you can already credit them for having passed a temptation test which the situation itself presented. This is a test, administered by no-one but gradable by anyone; a test which this correspondent of yours plainly failed.

It is a tomato/tomahto thing I suppose, and I understand and accept your view of those profiles as "unreal," but I would say that both of her profiles were ever-so-real. Real dishonest profiles representing a real dishonest person.

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RE: A Cautionary Tale - 6/19/2006 5:49:00 PM   
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What???? you mean to say that women test their potential men without them knowing it???? We should bring this up at the next meeting!

Seriously, this one did seem particularly duplicitous.

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RE: A Cautionary Tale - 6/19/2006 5:54:57 PM   
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Geez, that's really crummy.  i've never understood why people lie...period...and when it's just to set someone up like this seems the height of stupidity.  Personally i'd never be able to pull something like that off.  i often don't remember what i had for lunch, so i'd never remember which one was me and which one was the other one. 

i agree with those who said You were lucky to find out early on, and that You're willing to share what happened in order to remind people that it doesn't hurt to be on our guard.  i hope she learned something as well, but often people like this come away without a clue.

Go figure!!

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RE: A Cautionary Tale - 6/19/2006 6:06:22 PM   
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Have had a similar experience but caught on and turned the tables i guess that meant i didn't pass his test but then he did not pass mine either.  And the small letters are not mistypes he is a small dom and not worthy of my devotion.  Congratulate yourself in not thinking she complimented you by her actions.  It is intirely too easy to have problems online.  Used to have an online Dom that said he kept getting messages that i was cheating.  Finally i asked for who was saying it and found out it was someone i had very gently told i was owned.  Oh well we all live and learn and perhaps cams do have a place in this life

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RE: A Cautionary Tale - 6/19/2006 6:38:55 PM   
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I think I had cybersex with a fake. [ a woman posing as a man]

dizzying. oh well...it was still fun. (i think...)

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RE: A Cautionary Tale - 6/19/2006 6:45:45 PM   
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I have this rule that I take everyone on face value unless they expect something from me, like a relationship. I continue to be semi-trusting and listen to their words and pay close attention for conflicting information. Then I would want to meet family and friends perhaps. I would want to know that this person had a history with other people.

I would never do as this person did as a way of verifying anything. It is denigrating to all the people involved. If after your in an established relationship and you get suspicious of something, well walk out, because you are probably right. Even if you are wrong there is something wrong in your relationship... even if it is you...I wouldn't play these types of games with my husband, much less someone online.

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RE: A Cautionary Tale - 6/19/2006 7:48:24 PM   
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I think I would feel creepy to contact someone who I was speaking to and pretending to be a whole new person.  I can imagine she must have been concentrating on bringing a different persona that you couldn't identify, making up different circumstances and the like.  A Dominant woman in your life is supposed to be someone you can put your trust in; your well-being will potentially be in her hands.  Also, if she can't learn to trust you on terms other than to deceive you, that says a lot.  What a way to earn your trust, and to allow you to prove yours.   I think you made the right decision to remove yourself from the situation.

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RE: A Cautionary Tale - 6/19/2006 8:05:57 PM   
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Dear OedipusRexIt, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
Unfortunately, unless you meet the people in person, you'll never know who and or what you are speaking to on the other side of the keyboard.
 
Sometimes I have to wonder if some posts have been responded to by the same person but in two different personalities.  I realize that CM have places for Switches, so it would be unnecessary to pose as dom and submissive.  Only the people that do these multiple screen names know their 'true' intent.
 
Sadly, the need to 'test' each other is normal now.  Sadly, there are times when multiple names are used to manipulate the masses.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs

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RE: A Cautionary Tale - 6/19/2006 8:21:42 PM   
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I have wondered the same thing Lady Hugs, if ever a dom had pulled that little stunt to see how I would converse with others. It is creepy and you have to wonder why! Unless you said you had an understanding you would not be courting with anyone else, then why the deception at all? What was "the test" when you are only at the email stage with someone? It makes no sense to me. If they would test you at this point what would they do at a later date? Follow you around to make sure you were on the up and up?



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RE: A Cautionary Tale - 6/19/2006 9:03:39 PM   
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quote:

Someone with whom I've been speaking online for a month or so just revealed herself to be two someones to whom I've been speaking...

One was a fake profile created to test my veracity.

Apparently, I passed the test and so was rewarded with the truth, and an invitation I poliely declined.  That kind of thing is a total deal-killer.


I have to agree with you.  There is no place in my world for trickery, manipulation and lies.  It IS a deal killer. 
 
One has to wonder what goes through some people's heads when they do stuff like this.  Would they REALLY be accepting of it if the tables were turned and the same thing was done to them?  Somehow, I doubt it.

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RE: A Cautionary Tale - 6/19/2006 9:10:55 PM   
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Heck, if I want to "test" someone I'll shock the hell outta them with the truth. LMAO.  They say truth is stranger than fiction...that's my life. lol.

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RE: A Cautionary Tale - 6/19/2006 9:44:52 PM   
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I'm aparently the only one who thinks what she did wasn't horrible.

I doubt she intended to be 'deceitful', but there aren't any ways you can see what someone you're talking to online would do and jumping from online to real life without any security has to be impossible for many people.  For her, this is what works, for others a different route.

Just because you disagree/the action isn't right for you doesn't mean those who choose a route other than your own are terrible people

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RE: A Cautionary Tale - 6/19/2006 9:59:49 PM   
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You're lucky. I had one that went on about trust for a couple of years but she was the one that couldn't be trusted. I was naive and stupid but that is what you get when you take people at face value on the net I guess.

These sort of people make me angry but anger is pointless. It's a pity they can't be exposed because it would save someone else all angst and disappointment anf frustration they create.

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RE: A Cautionary Tale - 6/19/2006 10:15:35 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: timeoutgurlie

I'm aparently the only one who thinks what she did wasn't horrible.

I doubt she intended to be 'deceitful', but there aren't any ways you can see what someone you're talking to online would do and jumping from online to real life without any security has to be impossible for many people.  For her, this is what works, for others a different route.

Just because you disagree/the action isn't right for you doesn't mean those who choose a route other than your own are terrible people


You doubt she intended to be "deceitful"? She lied, systematically over a considerable period of time. You can't imagine that she did this "accidentally" so what can you mean by claiming that she didn't mean to lie? How can her deceit be seen as anything but intentional? Do you mean she just meant to be clever and didn't notice that her choice of action was wrong in itself and hypocritical besides?

As for judging people who take a different route ...I disagree with child molesting, rape, murder, and several other things. If someone tells me they molested a child--not to be a bad person, but just to verify whether I was a child molester, well sweety, that person, who "chose that route" is a terrible person in my view. Post in her defense if you like.

And the "who are you to judge" question get;s no traction here. No one's standards but those of the person being judged need be applied. It makes no difference whether she was wrong by my standards or the original poster's standards when she was indisputably wrong by her own standards. She failed the test she was adminstering to someone else. The veracity test.

If you want friends who have strong values and who violate them egregiously in order to see if other people share them, that's cool. Please don't ask us all to ride that bus.

I didn't say that the OP's correspondent was a terrible person. I said she's terrribly suited to a place in my life. Heaven knows what events contributed to forming her as a person who lies to catch liars. And the sin is a far lesser one than child molesting as we can all agree.

Each of us has a right and a duty to decide for ourselves whom we wish to associate with. The Original Poster explained his choice not to associate with this person. A sensible explanation for a sensible choice, in my view.

As for " but there aren't any ways ... " this is simply false. There are inumerable ways and many of us have employed them many times. They may take imagination if one hasn't been shown them by someone more experienced. They do take effort. But to surrrender your integrity in your search for integrity just isn't kosher, and before being wrong its, well, stupid.

If there truly "aren't any ways" to safely meet with someone you first encountered online then meet someone in the coffee shop. If there aren't any ways or to make your car payment, give up your car. "There aren't any ways" doesn't justify deceit online any more than it justifies stealing your car payment money.

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RE: A Cautionary Tale - 6/19/2006 11:18:35 PM   
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Lots of interesting comments.  I appreciate the position Noah takes, even as I understand what Timeoutgirlie is trying to say.

Intent isn't always an issue with me.  Just as with people's varying concepts of reality, while I allow for the part perception plays, I believe there are absolutes.  It was not honest, therefore it was dishonest. 

Motive isn't an issue with me.  Do what you must to "protect" yourself, just recognize I will too.  I weed out liars right away.

I thought the experience illustrative of how even "good" people use the internet in dishonest ways.  She was nice, in both personas, and it was a shame to tell her I wasn't interested.

A shame, but not the end of the world. 

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