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RE: What does bottom vs sub vs slave mean to you? - 2/2/2013 8:59:19 AM   
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RE: What does bottom vs sub vs slave mean to you? - 2/2/2013 12:47:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
Bottom - A person who receives sensations.
Submissive - A person who submits to another.
Slave - A person who is owned by another.


Yup... what LP said. I'll add on that my own personal concept of "owned" doesn't allow for casual fucks on the side... not even ones that lasted 4 years. I'm looking at mostly "bottom" in the OP's story with possibly a bit of "sub" in there.

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RE: What does bottom vs sub vs slave mean to you? - 2/2/2013 1:19:10 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: JeffBC

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact
Bottom - A person who receives sensations.
Submissive - A person who submits to another.
Slave - A person who is owned by another.


Yup... what LP said. I'll add on that my own personal concept of "owned" doesn't allow for casual fucks on the side... not even ones that lasted 4 years. I'm looking at mostly "bottom" in the OP's story with possibly a bit of "sub" in there.
My view is that he'd have to be a Dom or Master in order to have a submissive or slave. He's just a guy that likes kinky sex. Which makes him a top and the pieces of fluff on the side as bottoms.


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RE: What does bottom vs sub vs slave mean to you? - 2/2/2013 3:24:56 PM   
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Hmmm, well a slave really can't even begin to fill any of the above roles. We are entirely different...a class of our own. Like myself, I am submissive not just A submissive. A slave has a Master/Owner and sees them as both. Submissives have Doms, and bottoms have tops. Slaves also go deeper, need deeper connection from another instead of just filling a role for a few hours.

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RE: What does bottom vs sub vs slave mean to you? - 2/2/2013 4:30:48 PM   
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Slaves also go deeper, need deeper connection from another


popcorn time!

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RE: What does bottom vs sub vs slave mean to you? - 2/2/2013 4:57:40 PM   
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Slaves also go deeper, need deeper connection from another instead of just filling a role for a few hours.


So, I guess as a 24/7 TPE submissive, I'm just filling a role for a few hours.....


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RE: What does bottom vs sub vs slave mean to you? - 2/2/2013 6:55:05 PM   
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Of course! Didn't you read your "one true way" handbook?

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RE: What does bottom vs sub vs slave mean to you? - 2/3/2013 9:18:18 AM   
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Well, so far its been about 103,244 hours......

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RE: What does bottom vs sub vs slave mean to you? - 2/3/2013 10:38:19 AM   
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Now see, according to the handbook, you need to apply for a change of title. Don't forget to provide you SS#, birth certificate, date of formal collaring ceremony, records of exemplary service, as well as references from a dozen people who know you and will attest that you are indeed not simply "filling a role for a few hours."

Otherwise, you will just have to content yourself with being "just a sub."

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RE: What does bottom vs sub vs slave mean to you? - 2/3/2013 9:30:57 PM   
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Crap. I'm doing it all wrong too. I've put in too many hours today.

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RE: What does bottom vs sub vs slave mean to you? - 2/3/2013 11:31:58 PM   
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Hmmm, well a slave really can't even begin to fill any of the above roles. We are entirely different...a class of our own. Like myself, I am submissive not just A submissive. A slave has a Master/Owner and sees them as both. Submissives have Doms, and bottoms have tops. Slaves also go deeper, need deeper connection from another instead of just filling a role for a few hours.

So you're saying that slaves are better than and deeper than submissives and there's only one true way?? That's total and absolute B.S. There is no "better than" or "deeper than" no matter which one you're talking about. Right now, reading that quote, my bullshit-o-meter is screaming off the charts!!!

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RE: What does bottom vs sub vs slave mean to you? - 2/4/2013 6:43:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MusicInstr78

Hmmm, well a slave really can't even begin to fill any of the above roles. We are entirely different...a class of our own. Like myself, I am submissive not just A submissive. A slave has a Master/Owner and sees them as both. Submissives have Doms, and bottoms have tops. Slaves also go deeper, need deeper connection from another instead of just filling a role for a few hours.


With all due respect, I do not agree with this at all. Its putting way too much emphasis on a label and not anything on the nature or drive of the person being identified. Just because someone identifies as submissive and not slave, it DOES NOT mean that they are only filling a role for a few hours. It DOES NOT mean that they need less of a deep connection with their dominant. And it definitely DOES NOT mean that they cant go just as deep in their submission as a slave does in their slavery. Its about the person, not the label.

You made a blanket generalization and you generalized wrong.

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RE: What does bottom vs sub vs slave mean to you? - 2/4/2013 8:40:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MusicInstr78
Slaves also go deeper, need deeper connection from another instead of just filling a role for a few hours.

*blinks* You've already gotten ripped up on this and rightfully so. Do you really believe there is something special about choosing a certain relationship role which affects how deep a connection gets built? By this reasoning are all vanilla couples unconnected? Me personally? I think good people form good relationships. I think if both people in the relationship happen to desire intimacy then you get a deep connection. I don't really see what any of that has to do with "slavery".... assuming of course I could even define that word.

It might interest you to know that one of the most deeply connected marriages I know of is top/bottom. As near as I can tell the fun and games they get up to sexually very much reinforces all the other very deep bonds between them.


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RE: What does bottom vs sub vs slave mean to you? - 2/4/2013 10:04:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MusicInstr78

Slaves also go deeper, need deeper connection from another instead of just filling a role for a few hours.


Wow....anywhere from 12 to 24 hours a day at the hospital for 2 1/2 weeks and that is just filling a role for a few hours. Who would have thought that some consider such things as part time light weight submission, unlike the deep connection a slave has.

By the way he came home today. Now I get to take on the "just filling a role for a few hours" jobs as taxi driver, appointment maker, physical therapist, and anything else I can do to help him gain strength and get well.

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RE: What does bottom vs sub vs slave mean to you? - 2/4/2013 10:59:41 PM   
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When I started out with Master, we were boyfriend/girlfriend.

We transitioned to Dom/sub.

After a while we talked and agreed it was more Master/slave (by our definitions).

I'm still the same person I was at the beginning. I would still be happy if we'd decided to call ourselves Dom/sub. Hell, I'd be ok with bf/gf as long as we still did those kinky things we do so well!

The only difference between then and now is nearly 3 years together, a couple of long (slightly drunken) conversations about labels, and a real love that we feel for each other.

Mind you, I quite like the thought of being a "special little fuzzy snowflake"

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RE: What does bottom vs sub vs slave mean to you? - 2/5/2013 10:45:06 PM   
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To the OP … After reading all your posts, I think I'll just pull the Ambulance around back.

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RE: What does bottom vs sub vs slave mean to you? - 2/8/2013 10:51:47 AM   
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It is my understanding that these are somewhat universal definitions of each. If I'm wrong, someone please clarify them for me.

A Bottom: someone who loves to be played with and will allow a Dominant to Top them but only for the duration of a play scene.

A Submissive: someone who wants to yield control to a Dominant. They negotiate boundaries and the Dominant sets the safe word for them.

A Slave: someone who takes it one step further, giving up all their rights to their Dominant partner. They give up safe words and trust their Dominant 100% to have their best interest and health at heart and mind.

My personal confusion lies with those claiming to be submissive, yet acting like complete Dominants. Worse yet are those who claim to be slaves, yet feel they have the complete freedom to behave like a Dominant.

As I don't understand much about Gor, and all it's machinations, I find the Gorean slaves who act this way extremely confusing. I know enough about Gor to know Gorean slaves basically are to do as they are told, and act a certain way. Further, I see many Gorean slaves being down right rude and disrespectful of Dominants, no matter, Gor or not.

I personally have much to learn. This much I admit. However, I've also, on the flip side of it, seen Dominants act like complete asses. How can a Dominant demand the respect of subs/slaves alike when they act worse than the subs/slaves who act in this manner? As I said, I have so very much more to learn. Thanks for reading this response. Be well E/everyone.

Either way, that is my input. Agree or disagree, just be respectful when replying to S/someone.

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RE: What does bottom vs sub vs slave mean to you? - 2/8/2013 11:23:15 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: lilanimyst

It is my understanding that these are somewhat universal definitions of each. If I'm wrong, someone please clarify them for me.
Labels don't work because it leaves people out when they don't fit exactly.



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A Slave: someone who takes it one step further, giving up all their rights to their Dominant partner. They give up safe words and trust their Dominant 100% to have their best interest and health at heart and mind.
No one gives up ALL their rights. Everyone has limits and everyone has boundaries.

Personally, I fit what most here would refer to as slave, but I identify myself as a submissive. It's how I'm comfortable portraying myself. Your "definitions" don't fit me, or many others out there.

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My personal confusion lies with those claiming to be submissive, yet acting like complete Dominants. Worse yet are those who claim to be slaves, yet feel they have the complete freedom to behave like a Dominant.
So, basically you believe that if someone identifies as submissive, they should be submissive to everyone. That's not how it works. Just because I'm submissive to himself, doesn't mean I'm going to be submissive to everyone in the world.



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I personally have much to learn.
Yup, you do.

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How can a Dominant demand the respect of subs/slaves alike when they act worse than the subs/slaves who act in this manner?
Anybody that has to demand respect usually isn't worthy of being given respect.

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RE: What does bottom vs sub vs slave mean to you? - 2/8/2013 11:30:01 AM   
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I agree with Osidegirl...I too am a slave and relate to that more than a submissive because most submissives aren't really that way and needing the D/d 24/7 like us slaves do...we need it. I am a submissive slave, and yes we do give our Owners/Masters total control

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RE: What does bottom vs sub vs slave mean to you? - 2/9/2013 11:41:00 AM   
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Hmmm, well a slave really can't even begin to fill any of the above roles. We are entirely different...a class of our own. Like myself, I am submissive not just A submissive. A slave has a Master/Owner and sees them as both. Submissives have Doms, and bottoms have tops. Slaves also go deeper, need deeper connection from another instead of just filling a role for a few hours.

LOL; sorry I tend to get a kick out of these sort of posts. Why is it that some think that slave is somehow ranks higher than a mere submissive and adopt the label just to set themselves apart and above the rest? (Hint I read your profile and I am sure I am dead on to my thought process.)

I don't identify as a bottom, submissive or a slave because it to me is just a label. I am submissive and live with someone who has a very dominant personality---but does not identify as a Dom, Master or Owner. Our sex life is extremely vanilla, however, he leads the roost here. If I come home from the end of the day, tired, it's snowing like hell and cold out and he wants me to go to the corner store for something, I GO! On my days off, I must have chores done prior to him getting home from work---he normally does chores on my work days but if the chores are not done I do them. If he says it's time to go to bed, I go...If he tells me I am not eating enough, I eat more...I am not disrespectful in my speech, I repress anger (and yes it does go away)....I keep my voice lowered. There are a zillion little details I must follow like rinsing off dishes prior to use, keeping my hair in a bun or ponytail especially while cooking....there is no little list of rules hanging on the wall, I have just learned what pleases him and what is expected of me. There is no punishment dynamic---I follow the rules because I have tremendous feelings for this man and making him happy pleases me. My only limit to him was I will do anything you ask within reason---and he has never asked me to do anything unreasonable...to me this is MY definition of slave...although like I said I do not identify as one.

I have been involved in D/s and BDSM since I was 23 and I am approaching 46 now. I did not meet my partner on the internet. He was the friend of a neighbor so we met in a very vanilla way and prior to moving in together there was NO discussion of rules, limits...and if I said to him D/s or BDSM he would probably say, WHAT???? But our relationship is what it is---he leads, I obey no questions asked. As for "A slave has a Master/Owner and sees them as both" so not true in our relationship, and this, "Slaves also go deeper, need deeper connection from another instead of just filling a role for a few hours," nope I am not any deeper than anyone else, there is no deeper connection between us (but we do work hard at our relationship I will say that and we do communicate more in our relationship than anyone I have ever been with) and YES it (the slave/submissive part of me) is a role I fill for a set amount of hours a day otherwise I am filling another role at my job. That doesn't mean I walk out of the house and forget who I am at home and act like an asshole once I am at work...but I am just saying....I can't submit or serve him while I am at work. He knows if he were to call me and demand I come home to pick a sock up or something it isn't going to happen---but I will call him if I need to work later.

Sorry there to burst your bubble there Music but the above is MY reality.

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