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RE: What are your fantasies / experiences with hypnosis ? - 2/2/2013 11:25:47 AM

EsotericLady

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Then explain this to me, would you please?

The scenario is a stage with eight, individually seated people who have just been "hypnotized" by an "experienced hypnotist."

The hypnotist informs them to turn to their left and place their hands on "strategic points" on the body to their left and start rubbing them. Some people raise their eyebrows in disbelief. Others "look around" to see if their spouses might be watching. And yet...they ALL obey.
I have NEVER seen anyone object to doing something under hypnosis...even when I KNOW they wouldn't be caught dead doing that in real life.

Case in point:
If the OP has to hypnotize a sub to get them to perform oral sex on him which they wouldn't ordinarily do, then I believe you could say that things happen under hypnosis that people would object to.

And no, I am not ignorant nor do I need to have you repeat that you believe me to be incorrect.

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ORIGINAL: Dyfrynt

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ORIGINAL: EsotericLady

You'll have to excuse me, but I DON'T feel that hypnotizing someone to do something they really object to when not under hypnosis is "pretty neat and playful."

I consider that taking advantage of someone, as well as hypnotizing someone for purely selfish reasons.

Someone may not object to being hypnotized and think the idea is really cool. But that DOESN'T mean that what you have them do while "under" is something that would have their consent.

Eso, your comments are forceful, yet, unfortunately, completely ill informed. No-one can be forced to do anything against their inherent nature through hypnosis. This is one of those hardest to die myths. It just won't go away. Allow me to repeat, No-One Can be Forced to DO ANYthing without their consent while under hypnosis.

And, of course I excuse you! <That's a joke!>

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RE: What are your fantasies / experiences with hypnosis ? - 2/2/2013 11:36:56 AM

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~FRing it~

So OP, all it takes is a class that you took 3 years ago and it made you skilled and competent to perform hypnotism? Freakin' AWESOME!!!

I took a racing experience class about 3 years ago. By your standards, I should be able to fly down to Daytona, "borrow" someone's ride, and win the Daytona 500!!!

Just because you THINK you CAN do something DOES NOT mean you SHOULD do something. Especially with the number of misinformed statements you have made about hypnotism. Just sayin'.

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RE: What are your fantasies / experiences with hypnosis ? - 2/2/2013 11:38:00 AM

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@OsideGirl

Yep I interpreted your first post as an general devaluation of my way of approaching hypnosis.
In my world people state their most dominant thought on a subject at the very beginning of a conversation.
Yours was the belief that hypnosis might cause harm. That would never be the dominant thought of someone who
is experienced in hypnosis, in my humble opinion. There you have the track of my conclusion.

But I do not feel superior to anyone with a different opinion. Maybe I have judged you wrong maybe not.
I tell you you judged me wrong by taking the time and explaining my thoughts behind this statement that gets you seemingly frustrated.

Maybe you can tell me I misjudged you and explain your statement in a way that is not misunderstandable.
Maybe more than a oneliner like "hypnosis is harmful because i was told in my classes".

@EsotericLady

You are mixing up my definition of hypnosis with your thoughts on it. I never said to hypnotize someone against his will.

@Dyfrynt

Yeah hypnosis has different stages, but hell I see noone here even wanting to know that.

@SeekingTrinity

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So OP, all it takes is a class that you took 3 years ago and it made you skilled and competent to perform hypnotism? Freakin' AWESOME!!!

Where did I say that. You are juding on hallucinated information. Talking in terms.
Where did I say my only experience of hypnosis is a course ?
What do you understand under skilled ?
Why do you set the standards of racing even with the standards of hypnosis.

WHAT IS YOUR EDUCATION IN HYPNOSIS ?

If your only strength is discrediting me, you clearly have none.
So at least I would see myself as more skilled than you are.

Geez, how people get so angry because someone is contradicting them. Clearly they know how to control their states of mind (with hypnosis xD ).

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RE: What are your fantasies / experiences with hypnosis ? - 2/2/2013 11:39:54 AM

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I have to agree with Dyfrynt.

There have been many stage hypnotists that have categorically stated that you cannot get someone to do something under hypnosis that they have an inherent natural abhorence to.

You can help allay fears.
You can get people to do silly things they wouldn't ordinarilly do.
You can even get them to do stuff they would die of embarassment if they thought about it.

What you cannot do is make someone do something they are totally against.

And regardless of all the rumours you hear, I would sooner believe those that are in the business than hearsay and conjecture.

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RE: What are your fantasies / experiences with hypnosis ? - 2/2/2013 11:53:14 AM

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quote:

If the OP has to hypnotize a sub to get them to perform oral sex on him which they wouldn't ordinarily do, then I believe you could say that things happen under hypnosis that people would object to.

That was never what I said.

With the BJ example I wanted to say the following :

Some girls don't like sticking a penis in their mouths at all,
but if she likes to learn to love it you can use hypnosis as a supportive tool

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RE: What are your fantasies / experiences with hypnosis ? - 2/2/2013 12:00:33 PM

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Where did I say that. You are juding on hallucinated information. Talking in terms.
Where did I say my only experience of hypnosis is a course ?
What do you understand under skilled ?
Why do you set the standards of racing even with the standards of hypnosis.

WHAT IS YOUR EDUCATION IN HYPNOSIS ?

If your only strength is discrediting me, you clearly have none.
So at least I would see myself as more skilled than you are.

Oooh, looks like I struck a nerve.

I do so love watching people throw hissy fits when they get questioned on the misinformation they spew.

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RE: What are your fantasies / experiences with hypnosis ? - 2/2/2013 12:02:47 PM

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RE: What are your fantasies / experiences with hypnosis ? - 2/2/2013 12:23:30 PM

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But you didn't say SOME GIRLS...what you said (verbatim) was this:

"For example, if she doesnt like sucking cock, but truely wants to serve you.
You could recondition her that cock is the most tasty thing she ever had in her mouth. You could even train her to orgasm everytime you cum in her mouth."

You said SPECIFICALLY (and I hate the crudeness but...) "she doesn't like sucking cock." That's a BIG difference than merely sticking a penis in someone's mouth.
You also said "you could RECONDITION HER" which again is a lot different than "but if she LIKES to learn to love it you can use it as a "supportive tool."

Perhaps you WANTED to say something different, but you actually said what I have quoted above.
Sorry, but that is what you wrote. : (
And as I always say...I don't write other people's posts that they write themselves.

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ORIGINAL: maledaddy

With the BJ example I wanted to say the following :

Some girls don't like sticking a penis in their mouths at all,
but if she likes to learn to love it you can use hypnosis as a supportive tool

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RE: What are your fantasies / experiences with hypnosis ? - 2/2/2013 12:27:22 PM

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Umm freedom? If you reread one of Dyfrynt's posts, you will see that he admits to NOT being a trained, professional hypnotist. Consequently, he is NOT "in the business." Sorry : (

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

I have to agree with Dyfrynt.

What you cannot do is make someone do something they are totally against.

And regardless of all the rumours you hear, I would sooner believe those that are in the business than hearsay and conjecture.

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RE: What are your fantasies / experiences with hypnosis ? - 2/2/2013 12:28:20 PM

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quote:

looks like I struck a nerve

Youd did not struck any nerve.
I did ask you - yet unsanswered - questions about your history that qualifies your opinion above the level of mere insult.

Inf fact : My questions ask for information, your comments intent to annoy people :

quote:

I do so love watching people throw hissy fits when they get questioned on the misinformation they spew.

And still I see no comment of yours that enables you in judging my opinion as misinformation.

Ok I lay. I just see no point i arguing whith you or the likes anymore.
I thought a forum that advertises alternateive lifestyles could be so open to talk humble.
Most I got was a "bar-room cliché" and comments of arrogant people enjoying to bully a possibly flourishing thread into death.

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RE: What are your fantasies / experiences with hypnosis ? - 2/2/2013 12:31:10 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: EsotericLady

Umm freedom? If you reread one of Dyfrynt's posts, you will see that he admits to NOT being a trained, professional hypnotist. Consequently, he is NOT "in the business." Sorry : (

quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

I have to agree with Dyfrynt.

What you cannot do is make someone do something they are totally against.

And regardless of all the rumours you hear, I would sooner believe those that are in the business than hearsay and conjecture.

I know what he said - I just confirmed it.

I also feel that LL in post#12 is spot-on.
I think OP is under some sort of illusion.

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RE: What are your fantasies / experiences with hypnosis ? - 2/2/2013 12:34:32 PM

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I think so too. That LL is a pretty smart cookie! : )

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

quote:

ORIGINAL: EsotericLady

Umm freedom? If you reread one of Dyfrynt's posts, you will see that he admits to NOT being a trained, professional hypnotist. Consequently, he is NOT "in the business." Sorry : (

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

I have to agree with Dyfrynt.

What you cannot do is make someone do something they are totally against.

And regardless of all the rumours you hear, I would sooner believe those that are in the business than hearsay and conjecture.

I know what he said - I just confirmed it.

I also feel that LL in post#12 is spot-on.
I think OP is under some sort of illusion.

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RE: What are your fantasies / experiences with hypnosis ? - 2/2/2013 12:34:48 PM

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@esotericlady

Ah NOW is see your point.

Indeed I said ""For example, if she doesnt like sucking cock, but truely wants to serve you.
You could recondition her that cock is the most tasty thing she ever had in her mouth. You could even train her to orgasm everytime you cum in her mouth."

But pay intention to this little phrase, that is MOST important to altering you understanding of my words. :

quote:

but truely wants to serve you

I meant with it : The girl is APPROVING of changing her reaction to a penis.. She AGREES to serve your penis. The following hypnosis thus is CONSENSUAL because shee agrees to it.

This is a rather common topic, that women just cant enjoy sticking the penis of their man into their mouth (means : giving a blowjob). And by the way, it ws an EXAMPLE. Not a statement of my sexual life.

Edit :

quote:

And as I always say...I don't write other people's posts that they write themselves.

No you really cant. But you interpret. And in this case specifically wrong.

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RE: What are your fantasies / experiences with hypnosis ? - 2/2/2013 12:48:18 PM

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Ok thats it for now for me.

Sorry if I was a pain in my neck to anyone. But consider youre really making it not easy for me to let you understand me.

Think about it, what is YOUR part in creating such a misunderstanding ? Was it always your intent to be conbstructive and open or rather to prove me wrong ?
Just saying Im wrong, hypnosis is not allowed to be a game , im under sort of illusion and such are not phrases that indicate any sort of interest in my opinion and what i really wanted to say.

I will ponder my Part. I believe you are grown up to admint that you are part of this stress and to see that often words that are send out are differently percieved as they were meant.

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RE: What are your fantasies / experiences with hypnosis ? - 2/2/2013 1:02:57 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: maledaddy

@lafayettelady

You have stated your repulsion towards this certain topic several times and that is okay.
But I am not sure why you are so provocative and I am not sure, whether you misunderstand by intent or by accident.
Either way, in my opinion your are beginning to get offensive.

It is a matter of politeness to accept that there are people who think differently.

It was my intent to talk about the possibilities of hypnosis not about what people who don't like it have to say to it.
So politely I beg you the second time to leave this thread as I see no value in your breed of discordance.

Edit: I took classes on hypnosis 3 years ago that is correct, but I have self-gained knowledge for a far longer time.
Geez, you really WANT to misunderstand me.

All I see coming from you are judgements based upon lack of understanding me and lack of experience of hypnosis - you said it yourself, you are "not hypnotizable" - you have no experience with hypnosis.

And yet you are screaming with intimdating words as if you know all about me or hypnosis or any other one who writes appreciative.

I do hope there are more hearty people on this forum...

Honestly, you do need to grow up a bit.

I never stated a "repulsion" to hypnosis. In fact, I did talk about people being hypnotized without any derogatory comments about it.

Beg all you want, but again, it is a public forum, and frankly, I believe that people need to look at the "possibilities" on both sides. Sorry you have such an issue with that.

Obviously, the fact that I KNOW I can't be hypnotized means I do have experience with it. I guess they skipped that in your little classes.

As for those writing "appreciative threads..." Sorry, but unless you are unable to read, the majority of us aren't all that appreciative of what you have said.

Please by all means feel free to flounce off in an immature temper tantrum like a two year old.

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RE: What are your fantasies / experiences with hypnosis ? - 2/2/2013 1:12:22 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

I never stated a "repulsion" to hypnosis.

Neither did I, but that was the assumption made.

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RE: What are your fantasies / experiences with hypnosis ? - 2/2/2013 1:26:47 PM

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Oh for heavens sakes maledaddy... you want to know what people's fantasies are if they didn't need consent, or if they had the ability to control biofeedback. You're under some illusion that this can be accomplished through hypnosis.. well it can't, or at least not without some additional heavy duty drugs and classical conditioning.. maybe some operant too.

Yes there's harm.. but typically that's about planting memories of things that didn't happen as opposed to uncovering ones that did. The latter occurs very rarely and just gets lots of press. People look to fill in the blanks.. the cognitive psych field is full of hard data on that. So suggest a reason to someone about why they behave the way they do, particularly when they want a rationale and you can easily plant something. Suggest to a dozen eye witnesses that the shoes of a perp were green when it was dark and it would have been difficult to see the shoes, and suddenly you'll get a significant number of folks who SWEAR that the shoes were green. It's how we make out words that are blurry and auditory sentences that are garbled. We fill in the blanks.

You can try to tell someone to imagine Angelina Jolie all you want.. there is NO WAY to know if they're thinking instead about Hugh Jackman. None. Now what?

You're living in a fantasy world when it comes to what you think you can accomplish with hypnosis, and on top of that you're asking us to tell you our fantasies. How many times are you going to run this schtick?

Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result..........

edited for typos

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RE: What are your fantasies / experiences with hypnosis ? - 2/2/2013 1:28:34 PM

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ORIGINAL: maledaddy
Youd did not struck any nerve.
I did ask you - yet unsanswered - questions about your history that qualifies your opinion above the level of mere insult.

Oh but I did. See, here's the deal. I dont have to justify ANYTHING to you. Im not obligated to divulge my curriculum vitae to a stranger over the internet. But suffice it to say that I possess two university degrees, one of which is in psychology. Some coursework dealt with hypnosis, but I by no means consider myself an expert in the least. Nor do I engage in any sort of hypnotism as far as my involvement with BDSM is concerned.

Frankly I think that you are on the defensive at every turn just because others are not buying what you are trying to sell. You see it as insulting, but I see it as cautionary. Hypnosis is just not shit to play with. You arent going to get people to imagine they are banging Angelina Jolie on a beach, but you can do harm to people because how in the hell are you qualified to accurately assess someone's mental health sufficiently to gauge whether hypnotizing that someone is a good idea or not? I said what I said for a reason. Just because someone (you) think they can do something does not mean that they should do something. There are a lot of factors to consider that revolve well outside of who you can fantasize about screwing on a beach.

But hey, if throwing a fit is what works for you, rock it!

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Inf fact : My questions ask for information, your comments intent to annoy people

It obviously annoyed you, so my work here is done. You are getting information and getting angry because everyone isnt jumping on the wank fodder wagon with you.

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RE: What are your fantasies / experiences with hypnosis ? - 2/2/2013 2:36:27 PM

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@lafayette

I need to grow up a bit. hmmm who is adressing whom as a "kiddo", "a two year old" and the like.
Newsflash lady. One whose old is not automatically wise. One whose young is not automatically dumb.
Look at your posts and reconsider. Even in my very first thread you marked my fantasies as laughable. That is fine by me,
I just couldnt understand why you were posting then in a thread that was devoted on gathering inspirations on a topic that you find laughable.

You feel the need to make other people look on your side of the opinion ? I learned that.
It is a public forum yeah, that is why I have politely asked you to leave this thread.
And by the way, the internet is no legal black hole. This site is property of someone
and this someone surely set up rules for it. Your behaviour could have consequences.
No intimidation here, but clarification.

@osidegirl
Yeah I did made an assumption. Again that is normal given such few information.
I apologize for any wrong judgement and I am still open for a better estimation of your comment, even
if I just didnt want to talk about the bad sides of hypnosis and still dont want to.

I am well aware what harm hypnosis can do. I am well aware that people using hypnosis should know their abilities and even more their limits.
It was jut not the topic of this thread, okay ?

It is like I would ask you : What do you like about this hotel. And you answer : I hate the pool. Nice. But not expedient.

@evesgrden

I dont get your point actually.

quote:

You're living in a fantasy world when it comes to what you think you can accomplish with hypnosis, and on top of that you're asking us to tell you our fantasies. How many times are you going to run this schtick?

Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result..........

First : I think more can be achieved than most people belief. Yes. Guilty of Charge.

Second : What schtick ? I am no criminal. Guys It is really interesting how you think of me.

third : What thing do i do over and over again? Its the first time I write about this topic in any forum. But then your cool words wouldnt fit.
I am keenly aware that in order to gain a different result I have to make a different approach.

Even now I am thinking about MY Role in this situation. What could have cause such non-understanding and I am trying riht NOW to clarify things.

Did I ever ask anyone of you to be the "I-know-it-better

@trinity

Clearly I was not irritated as you wrote your comment. As a psychologist you certainly know of the high the loss of information is when people only write text to text and the other clearly missing in the room. The map is not the territory.
Like in this case. You just cannot know how I felt in that moment. Imagine my post was written with a mindset of critical analysis, trying to estimate YOU, instead of defending my position.
But I admit, NOW I am irritated and sad. I wont sleep good tonight. My intention in this thread of sharing my views and maybe even exchanging with people who think alike deeply failed. I never thought I would activate such a burst of defensive mechanisms in others.
Instead I was called insultive names and many of you treated me like I am some kind of irresponisble whose going to hypnotize anyone into slavery, even when they dont ask for it 0o.
Consider what you were saying.

I am only human to, and why the heck should I diminish my desires just because you have efficiently insulted me. Im no superhuman. Never said to be. Got that ?

I take your comments as feedback - clearly not the way some of you would like to, but thats the way it is.
If you are really interested in an uplifting conversation, you could actually tell me what is your intention in this thread and what could you offer to endow a more peaceful kind of conversation. I am thinking of it. Clearly I learned today, that war comes into being where one group of people acts out their need to force their way of thinking onto others.

Good night

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RE: What are your fantasies / experiences with hypnosis ? - 2/2/2013 4:20:55 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: maledaddy

@lafayette

I need to grow up a bit. hmmm who is adressing whom as a "kiddo", "a two year old" and the like.
Newsflash lady. One whose old is not automatically wise. One whose young is not automatically dumb.

Yep, what one calls someone who is acting like a child.

Wise is not an automatic thing at all. However, young people having an inflated sense of knowledge is ridiculously common.

quote:

Look at your posts and reconsider. Even in my very first thread you marked my fantasies as laughable. That is fine by me,
I just couldnt understand why you were posting then in a thread that was devoted on gathering inspirations on a topic that you find laughable.

I find BDSM and hypnosis laughable. Yup, that is my opinion. It is the opinion, obviously of many people on this forum.

quote:

You feel the need to make other people look on your side of the opinion ? I learned that.
It is a public forum yeah, that is why I have politely asked you to leave this thread.
And by the way, the internet is no legal black hole. This site is property of someone
and this someone surely set up rules for it. Your behaviour could have consequences.
No intimidation here, but clarification.

So now you are a hypnotist AND a legal eagle? Here is some clarification for you; it would be impossible for you to intimidate me, even if we were standing face to face, make no mistake about that. I have not violated the rules, have you? Come to think of it, have you even read the TOS?

quote:

@osidegirl
Yeah I did made an assumption. Again that is normal given such few information.
I apologize for any wrong judgement and I am still open for a better estimation of your comment, even
if I just didnt want to talk about the bad sides of hypnosis and still dont want to.

This is why we believe you are living in a fantasy world. With a whopping 13 posts, you certainly have little knowledge of this forum. Many of us feel it is important that people be aware of the risks in activity. You not wanting to discuss them, and thinking because it is a thread you started, you have that right is simply not the way it works.

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I am well aware what harm hypnosis can do. I am well aware that people using hypnosis should know their abilities and even more their limits.
It was jut not the topic of this thread, okay ?

You can't compartmentalize an activity because there are aspects you don't like. You can't behave as though the aspects you don't like don't exist.

Quite frankly, for the type of hypnosis you are even discussing, without a degree is Psychology, you really don't have any idea how to read the clues on most people to know what is dangerous or not. Based on your comments here, I also doubt that you have the ability to pay attention to the other person closely enough if it doesn't quite match your agenda.

You want to consider your role and why people responded as we did? Because as I told you posts ago, your OP comes across as looking for wank fodder. You even admit that you were hoping to hear others' fantasies that you may be "inspired" to something new. Translation: wank fodder.

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