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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro



If you actually did spend 20 years as a parole officer you would not be challenging my analysis because you would have seen it as a given rasing serious questions about this claim of yours.

And now you are claiming you know what I did for 20 years?

He's just basing his assumptions on the (lack of) truthfullness you've shown on this site in the past

"Ach bheir mi dhut sgailc!"

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

I agree, however, the lack of respect you are showing to a lifestyle is rather appalling.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Im sorry you feel that way. I still post many links, offer much support for my position. If you are not seeing them, as I realize your time is limited, I dont know what to say to you.

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My point in this thread was rather simple. We never know the mental status of anyone we may consider close or someone we can help.

Lock up your weapons. Dont trust anyone with something that can potentially kill you. We have far too many willing to play weekend therapist and these men should have known better, in my opinion. The more that comes out on this incident the more that fact should be driven home. Leaving weapons around is simply too dangerous anymore.

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The U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs estimates that PTSD afflicts:
Almost 31 percent of Vietnam veterans
As many as 10 percent of Gulf War (Desert Storm) veterans
11 percent of veterans of the war in Afghanistan
20 percent of Iraqi war veterans

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/magazine/issues/winter09/articles/winter09pg10-14.html

These are men who are trained to handle these weapons. Yet, according to those stats, if you know 10 vets, at least one may suffer from PTSD. Does that mean they will snap? No. But the likelihood is there.

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Why do people take these chances? Not only with their own lives, but with the lives of their families and friends?

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And, frankly, I think you may have missed some of my posts as well. To assume I got pulled into the "ping pong match" here feels like a put down. I feel passionately about guns because of the patients I have cared for after suicide attempts and then all I see are "gun related deaths" being toted as the number to concentrate on.

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So, if you feel I, as a gun owner myself, am coming down too harshly upon those who owns guns, you really have to explain that one to me.

If you doubt why I am so passionate about this, google the phrase...

gunshot wound to face pictures

Should clear up any doubt.

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ORIGINAL: ElChupa

The left and what I'd consider highly intelligent people; well, highly EDUCATED, tend to fall for these emotional appeals. It's sad to see. We'll get a dose more of it when this character does his speech tonight. Should be highly entertaining and sad, watching how many more Americans are out of work and addicted to government. Their battle cry: "It's Bush's fault!" Hey, stupid is IN now I guess.

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Lock up guns on a gun range? That doesn't make sense. That point was not stated in your OP.

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Put down? It can be taken that way, yeah. Seen as that you have been drawn into mostly arguing, trying to prove others wrong, defending yourself so that you are not proven wrong instead of working with solutions and problem solving is what I meant.

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Problems are not solved with emotional thinking, ever. It explains a lot of why you post like you do though.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Lock up guns on a gun range? That doesn't make sense. That point was not stated in your OP.

Who said just on a gun range? How many people dont lock them up at home?

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Put down? It can be taken that way, yeah. Seen as that you have been drawn into mostly arguing, trying to prove others wrong, defending yourself so that you are not proven wrong instead of working with solutions and problem solving is what I meant.

Ya know, a few people have actually realized that some of my proposals have made sense after they stopped worrying about what they would personally lose and actually looked at what I was saying.

You might want to try that yourself.

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Problems are not solved with emotional thinking, ever. It explains a lot of why you post like you do though.

So lets forget about all the men, women and children that are injured every year as a result of careless gun owners.

[;)]

Gotcha.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Im not paranoid. I just face the realities of what people suffer through the careless actions of not only themselves but others they live with. I went to work, cared for them, went home. I shed tears when people died, and not just those victims. And then I put myself back together to go into the next patients room.

I didnt suffer emotionally. I find that actually amusing that you would even consider saying that. Do you consider Physicians in an emergency room as having suffered great emotional distress? What about the EMT's, the Cops, ect ect ect.

Its a job. That doesnt mean we are heartless individuals. It also doesnt mean that these cases are going to cause a severe amount of emotional crippling to those who care for them as individuals and not just another "statistic". An often overlooked statistic in this case.

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Reread your first paragraph you describe your suffering and then turn around and deny it.
look at your first post today you proclaim that a poster doesn't care about people who are killed or injured because he disagrees with your solutions. .....

That said your positions are rooted in emotion which is a very bad basis of law.
It seems that your pain is only invisable to you.

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I feel passionately about guns because of the patients I have cared for after suicide attempts and then all I see are "gun related deaths" being toted as the number to concentrate on.

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Disagreeing with you doesn't make us heartless anymore than disagreeing with me makes you unstable.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Reread your first paragraph you describe your suffering and then turn around and deny it.
look at your first post today you proclaim that a poster doesn't care about people who are killed or injured because he disagrees with your solutions. .....

That said your positions are rooted in emotion which is a very bad basis of law.
It seems that your pain is only invisable to you.

You have no understanding of the medical community.

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I feel passionately about guns because of the patients I have cared for after suicide attempts and then all I see are "gun related deaths" being toted as the number to concentrate on.

Feeling passionately about something doesnt in any way indicate I am emotionally suffering as a result.

You think law is emotionless? The Civil Rights Act was born from emotions. Megan's Law was born from emotion. Drunk Driving laws were born from emotion.

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Disagreeing with you doesn't make us heartless anymore than disagreeing with me makes you unstable.

Difference is, I never claimed you were heartless.

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You don't remember telling me that I didn't care if criminals got ahold of my guns as long as I didn't have to spend a couple of minutes getting to my guns?

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Sounds pretty heartless to me. Again look at what you told the other poster when he diagreed with you and was trying to sympathys with your situation.

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I said you were emotionaly traumatized not that you were unstable there is a big difference to me and note that you are responding to me stating that you are clearly not unstable.

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Going home and crying every night does indicate you are suffering.

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Laws based in emotion are almost always overreactions being able to find a couple that worked out don't change that.
Spanish American War was fought because Congress and the President made an emotional dicision.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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You don't remember telling me that I didn't care if criminals got ahold of my guns as long as I didn't have to spend a couple of minutes getting to my guns?

You will have to find that post. Since you recall it so well, I am sure you can give me the link.

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Sounds pretty heartless to me. Again look at what you told the other poster when he diagreed with you and was trying to sympathys with your situation.

lol.... you saw that as sympathizing?

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I said you were emotionaly traumatized not that you were unstable there is a big difference to me and note that you are responding to me stating that you are clearly not unstable.

A nurse who is emotionally traumatized would be pretty useless in that job. I suffered no more emotional trauma taking care of those patients than I did my labor and delivery patients.

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Going home and crying every night does indicate you are suffering.

Who said I went home crying every night? Really, if you are going to bring things like this up, links would be greatly appreciated.

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Laws based in emotion are almost always overreactions being able to find a couple that worked out don't change that.
Spanish American War was fought because Congress and the President made an emotional dicision.

Show me a single war that wasnt based upon an emotional response?

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Lock up guns on a gun range? That doesn't make sense. That point was not stated in your OP.

Who said just on a gun range? How many people dont lock them up at home?

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Put down? It can be taken that way, yeah. Seen as that you have been drawn into mostly arguing, trying to prove others wrong, defending yourself so that you are not proven wrong instead of working with solutions and problem solving is what I meant.

Ya know, a few people have actually realized that some of my proposals have made sense after they stopped worrying about what they would personally lose and actually looked at what I was saying.

You might want to try that yourself.

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Problems are not solved with emotional thinking, ever. It explains a lot of why you post like you do though.

So lets forget about all the men, women and children that are injured every year as a result of careless gun owners.

[;)]

Gotcha.

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The story you posted about happened on a gun range. Never disagreed about the at home stuff, this is where you start pulling in things that I have never said, and adding to stuff. At this point in the discussions they usually head downhill.

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See this is where you plant the idea that I do not care about men, women and children that are injured. This tactic is deceitful, and equal to a lie. You infer it at the end, trying to put words in my mouth. Stop lying Tazzy, I never said those things or indicated that I did not care. Pretty shameful.

Guess being a regular in P&R it was inevitable. Damn waste of a good mind. Later Tazzy.

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Now maybe move on past the meotional BS to the problem solving phase? See my first post that addressed you.