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Still, did people feel safer when you were 14 or now?

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

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ORIGINAL: EsotericLady

Dont you just want to grab his little dimpled cheeks and squeeeeeze 'em, he's so cute? LMAO LMAO
He kind of puts Wonder Woman into a whole different visual, doesn't he?

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Not butting in at all. It's a free thread as they say. LOL. Just watch out for Wonder ummmmmmmmmmmmm Woman?

I can't take the credit for the Wonder Woman...however this is more me. I made the chain mail, cloak, vest and leather work myself..the helmet was made by someone else.


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Apparently you know of another case beyond the one I was refering to. When I was that age I was rutenly left with three younger siblings.
Thank you for provideing more proof of my point.

Proves what point? That the world has become more dangerous than when we grew up? Thats been obvious for decades, its becoming increasinly worse.

They left a 14 year old alone, before 8 am, with 4 smaller children, two of which were killed by a man who broke in and stabbed 3 of them with a pitchfork.

If you have another case, then provide it.

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

Considering that in California you have to be 18 to own a firearm, there is a provision that allows some who is 16 years to posses a firearm if accompanied by an Adult and is at a lawful recreation activity such as hunting. And that some 500 children are accidently killed by gun per year. It to seems prudent to lock up the firearms. I sold my firearms when I became the legal guardian for my granddaughter, she was not even a year old, I have never regreated my decision.

http://www.momlogic.com/2008/08/protect_your_kids_from_guns.php

It is said that Nancy Lanza, mother of Adam Lanza kept firearms unsecured in her house, look what happen.

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ORIGINAL: EsotericLady

My name is certainly not Taz, so I hope my comment won't be considered butting in to your question, HillWilliam.
I think it's hard to say whether violent crimes are really lower...just like saying the unemployment rate is X%.
It's all in what gets reported.

As for better reporting and media fed hysteria? By all means. One feeds the other.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Taz, is the world really more dangerous or is there better reporting and more media fed hysteria?

According the the FBI, violent crime rates in the US are lower than when we were kids but if you watch the 6 O'clock news, you'd be scared to poke your head out the door without body armor.

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

Considering that in California you have to be 18 to own a firearm, there is a provision that allows some who is 16 years to posses a firearm if accompanied by an Adult and is at a lawful recreation activity such as hunting. And that some 500 children are accidently killed by gun per year. It to seems prudent to lock up the firearms. I sold my firearms when I became the legal guardian for my granddaughter, she was not even a year old, I have never regreated my decision.

http://www.momlogic.com/2008/08/protect_your_kids_from_guns.php

It is said that Nancy Lanza, mother of Adam Lanza kept firearms unsecured in her house, look what happen.

So a couple of dead kids like this is ok?

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

Considering that in California you have to be 18 to own a firearm, there is a provision that allows some who is 16 years to posses a firearm if accompanied by an Adult and is at a lawful recreation activity such as hunting. And that some 500 children are accidently killed by gun per year. It to seems prudent to lock up the firearms. I sold my firearms when I became the legal guardian for my granddaughter, she was not even a year old, I have never regreated my decision.

http://www.momlogic.com/2008/08/protect_your_kids_from_guns.php

It is said that Nancy Lanza, mother of Adam Lanza kept firearms unsecured in her house, look what happen.

So a couple of dead kids like this is ok?

No, 500 children killed by gun accidents are not okay. I am sharing my own experience. As to the these shooting since you fail to provide a link I really don't know much about them. I am speculating that the guns were locked up for safety reason. As it appear the guns were. Also consider as a study that has been posted, only about 4% of those who do use a firearm in self defense actually hit the target..so the effectiveness is really in question. Now as to the subject of the topic, it appear Chris Kyle and his friend both had guns in their hands, both shot at point blank, and there were alot of guns all within reach...alot of good it did them.

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

ORIGINAL: BamaD

It also means that there has been a steady increase in the number of unreported crimes

An assumption on your part with no bases of fact.

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro
No, 500 children killed by gun accidents are not okay. I am sharing my own experience. As to the these shooting since you fail to provide a link I really don't know much about them. I am speculating that the guns were locked up for safety reason. As it appear the guns were. Also consider as a study that has been posted, only about 4% of those who do use a firearm in self defense actually hit the target..so the effectiveness is really in question. Now as to the subject of the topic, it appear Chris Kyle and his friend both had guns in their hands, both shot at point blank, and there were alot of guns all within reach...alot of good it did them.

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Sounds a lot like thye case I was refering to. Hadn't heard about the fourth child. It sounds like you are saying that since the mother left the 3 younger kids with the 14 year old midmorning thefault lies not with the nut who stabbed the children and certainly not with the politicians who saw to it the 14 year old could not protect the kids but with the parents? I must be missing the point. Clearly it falls first to the nut. then to the politicians and not at all on the parents. You can't be blaming the victims can you?

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If we take Tazzys estimate that 50% of crimes go unreported and every crime was reported in 93 this still reflects a 30% drop in actual crime, you are a statistical expert do the math

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Sounds a lot like thye case I was refering to. Hadn't heard about the fourth child. It sounds like you are saying that since the mother left the 3 younger kids with the 14 year old midmorning thefault lies not with the nut who stabbed the children and certainly not with the politicians who saw to it the 14 year old could not protect the kids but with the parents? I must be missing the point. Clearly it falls first to the nut. then to the politicians and not at all on the parents. You can't be blaming the victims can you?

Before 8 am is not midmorning.

There were a total of 5 children.

I never said the nut wasnt to blame.

No 14 year old should have to protect anyone, and wouldnt have had too, if the mother had no left her alone with 4 smaller children in the house.

Telling me the solution is to arm a child to defend themselves when an adult who shirked their responsibility as a parent should have been the one defending them by not leaving them alone is ridiculous.

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If we take Tazzys estimate that 50% of crimes go unreported and every crime was reported in 93 this still reflects a 30% drop in actual crime, you are a statistical expert do the math

Thats not my estimate. You need to take that up with Hills article. and 93 was the high point in all crimes, which is making it all look so good... on paper. Stats have a funny way of being manipulated so that things look the way someone wants them too.

1963 VC rate - 316,970
1968 - VC rate - 595,010
1973 - VC rate - 875,910
1978 - VC rate - 1,085,550
1983 - VC rate - 1,258,090
1988 - VC rate - 1,566,220
1993 - VC rate - 1,926,020
1998 - VC rate - 1,531,044
2003 - VC rate - 1,383,676
2008 - VC rate - 1,392,628
2012, as indicated by the FBI semi-annual report, is on an upswing in Violent crimes.

Preliminary figures indicate that, as a whole, law enforcement agencies throughout the nation reported an increase of 1.9 percent in the number of violent crimes brought to their attention for the first 6 months of 2012 when compared with figures reported for the same time in 2011.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/preliminary-semiannual-uniform-crime-report-january-june-2012

So, no, its not my statistic. Its the one offered by Hill's link.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Once again I was not agruing with your numbers in any way I was using that as a baseline to make a simple statistical point that should have been obvious. Since he stuck his foot in his mouth I used your stats uncritically to shove it on down his throat.

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Once again I was not agruing with your numbers in any way I was using that as a baseline to make a simple statistical point that should have been obvious. Since he stuck his foot in his mouth I used your stats uncritically to shove it on down his throat.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Once again I was not agruing with your numbers in any way I was using that as a baseline to make a simple statistical point that should have been obvious. Since he stuck his foot in his mouth I used your stats uncritically to shove it on down his throat.

problem is, no one is looking at WHY the crime rates have dropped as they have.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

That should give you pause and much concern for worry in relationship to the statistics posted.

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

I'll tel, you why...it's fairly simple actually....some guy with a gun (whom he trusted) had bullets (and a gun)...and he shot him.

That's pretty much it.

(Any questions?).