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I’ve been wondering about the mental condition of someone who coolly killed 160 people.

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Kdsub,I can not speak for every person that has been a sniper,but from reading Chris Kyle's book "American Sniper" and several books on Carlos Hathcock that they saw what they did as saving other Americans lives.They did not appear to be blood thirsty or off in any way

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I’ve been wondering about the mental condition of someone who coolly killed 160 people.

Kdsub,I can not speak for every person that has been a sniper,but from reading Chris Kyle's book "American Sniper" and several books on Carlos Hathcock that they saw what they did as saving other Americans lives.They did not appear to be blood thirsty or off in any way,they saw themselves as protecting their buddies by taking out the enemy.Quoting Carlos, "I like shooting, and I love hunting. But I never did enjoy killing anybody. It's my job. If I don't get those bastards, then they're gonna kill a lot of these kids dressed up like Marines. That's the way I look at it." Try reading in "Marine Sniper" by Charles Henderson about the North Vietnamese woman they called the Apache that Carlos took out,but you better have a strong stomach because of the torturing she did to American servicemen.Carlos was so good the North Vietnamese had a $30,000 bounty on him.Chris Kyle was cut from the same cloth and served his country well and deserves to be honored and respected.

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Kdsub,I can not speak for every person that has been a sniper,but from reading Chris Kyle's book "American Sniper" and several books on Carlos Hathcock that they saw what they did as saving other Americans lives.They did not appear to be blood thirsty or off in any way

I never intended to imply that Kyle was blood thirsty...only that he may have been dealing with issues in his past that may have been related to his death.
He would not be the first war hero to profit from his war record and at the same time suffer from the mental strain of his past actions in the horror of war.
I personally find it hard to imagine killing 160 people then making a profit over the story of how I did it. Not a criticism but looking at a man like that is like looking at an alien from outer space…beyond my understanding….as if that is important.
Butch

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Kdsub,I can not speak for every person that has been a sniper,but from reading Chris Kyle's book "American Sniper" and several books on Carlos Hathcock that they saw what they did as saving other Americans lives.They did not appear to be blood thirsty or off in any way

I never intended to imply that Kyle was blood thirsty...only that he may have been dealing with issues in his past that may have been related to his death.

He would not be the first war hero to profit from his war record and at the same time suffer from the mental strain of his past actions in the horror of war.

I personally find it hard to imagine killing 160 people then making a profit over the story of how I did it. Not a criticism but looking at a man like that is like looking at an alien from outer space…beyond my understanding….as if that is important.

Butch

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Kdsub,I can not speak for every person that has been a sniper,but from reading Chris Kyle's book "American Sniper" and several books on Carlos Hathcock that they saw what they did as saving other Americans lives.They did not appear to be blood thirsty or off in any way

I never intended to imply that Kyle was blood thirsty...only that he may have been dealing with issues in his past that may have been related to his death.
He would not be the first war hero to profit from his war record and at the same time suffer from the mental strain of his past actions in the horror of war.
I personally find it hard to imagine killing 160 people then making a profit over the story of how I did it. Not a criticism but looking at a man like that is like looking at an alien from outer space…beyond my understanding….as if that is important.
Butch

A lot of "reprogramming" goes on in the military to help the men and women get through some of this stuff. There is quite a necessity for adaptation back into civilian life that can hinder many. Chris Kyle may have taken the profits from his book and set himself up comfortably, and then the rest towards helping his fellow warriors. Plus, as was mentioned before, when you have to make a choice between killing someone or that someone killing your friend/cohort/colleague/etc., what is it you're going to do?

I think police officers that discharge their weapon and wound/kill someone have to have some sort of mental health therapy to help them cope. They are not as well trained as the military. I'm sure therapy of some sort is standard for the military men and women, even if it's just a simple chat with your superior.

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Butch, is this any less alien than a Politician sending soldiers to war, or a General leading them, then making money from a biography ?

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Kdsub,I can not speak for every person that has been a sniper,but from reading Chris Kyle's book "American Sniper" and several books on Carlos Hathcock that they saw what they did as saving other Americans lives.They did not appear to be blood thirsty or off in any way

I never intended to imply that Kyle was blood thirsty...only that he may have been dealing with issues in his past that may have been related to his death.
He would not be the first war hero to profit from his war record and at the same time suffer from the mental strain of his past actions in the horror of war.
I personally find it hard to imagine killing 160 people then making a profit over the story of how I did it. Not a criticism but looking at a man like that is like looking at an alien from outer space…beyond my understanding….as if that is important.
Butch

A lot of "reprogramming" goes on in the military to help the men and women get through some of this stuff. There is quite a necessity for adaptation back into civilian life that can hinder many. Chris Kyle may have taken the profits from his book and set himself up comfortably, and then the rest towards helping his fellow warriors. Plus, as was mentioned before, when you have to make a choice between killing someone or that someone killing your friend/cohort/colleague/etc., what is it you're going to do?
I think police officers that discharge their weapon and wound/kill someone have to have some sort of mental health therapy to help them cope. They are not as well trained as the military. I'm sure therapy of some sort is standard for the military men and women, even if it's just a simple chat with your superior.

I am not sure what you mean by "reprogramming" I was discharge from the Army, back in 1981 at Fort Dix, arrived one day, turned in my clothing, listen to a few speeches on the good job we did, what we may expect once we leave the army, an attempt to have us sign up for reseves or reenlist, all and all about 4 hours. The next day I woke up, had breakfast, signed my discharge papers and left, I was out before 9am. I do realize that now there are some programs like the Wounded Warrior, but I have little knowledge of them.
Yes there is in many Law Enforcement agencies requirement about seeing doctors after a shooting. I have always been preplexed as the preciption that law enforcement training some how is equal to military training...both are completly different, in scope, goals, requirements.....

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Butch, is this any less alien than a Politician sending soldiers to war, or a General leading them, then making money from a biography ?

No less...truly great men are written about...they do not do their own writing unless they are trying to explain their actions not document them.

Butch

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Kdsub,I can not speak for every person that has been a sniper,but from reading Chris Kyle's book "American Sniper" and several books on Carlos Hathcock that they saw what they did as saving other Americans lives.They did not appear to be blood thirsty or off in any way

I never intended to imply that Kyle was blood thirsty...only that he may have been dealing with issues in his past that may have been related to his death.
He would not be the first war hero to profit from his war record and at the same time suffer from the mental strain of his past actions in the horror of war.
I personally find it hard to imagine killing 160 people then making a profit over the story of how I did it. Not a criticism but looking at a man like that is like looking at an alien from outer space…beyond my understanding….as if that is important.
Butch

A lot of "reprogramming" goes on in the military to help the men and women get through some of this stuff. There is quite a necessity for adaptation back into civilian life that can hinder many. Chris Kyle may have taken the profits from his book and set himself up comfortably, and then the rest towards helping his fellow warriors. Plus, as was mentioned before, when you have to make a choice between killing someone or that someone killing your friend/cohort/colleague/etc., what is it you're going to do?
I think police officers that discharge their weapon and wound/kill someone have to have some sort of mental health therapy to help them cope. They are not as well trained as the military. I'm sure therapy of some sort is standard for the military men and women, even if it's just a simple chat with your superior.

I am not sure what you mean by "reprogramming" I was discharge from the Army, back in 1981 at Fort Dix, arrived one day, turned in my clothing, listen to a few speeches on the good job we did, what we may expect once we leave the army, an attempt to have us sign up for reseves or reenlist, all and all about 4 hours. The next day I woke up, had breakfast, signed my discharge papers and left, I was out before 9am. I do realize that now there are some programs like the Wounded Warrior, but I have little knowledge of them.
Yes there is in many Law Enforcement agencies requirement about seeing doctors after a shooting. I have always been preplexed as the preciption that law enforcement training some how is equal to military training...both are completly different, in scope, goals, requirements.....

The re-programming occurs in the beginning, at boot camp. It turns us ordinary schlubs into the best military in the world. Or, are you going to tell me that there is no mental/physical break down involved in training to make each one of you more alike?

The only way the police are similar to the military is that there is uniformity of training to get a type of person out, and the use of firearms is trained. Yes, they are vastly different, but they do share some commonalities, and a LEO killing a person isn't much different from a Marine killing a person, at the most basic level. Both ended a human life. Both have to deal with that. I don't think LEO's are as well-trained in dealing with that as the Military.

What is acceptable on the war front isn't always acceptable from a LEO, and certainly nowhere near acceptable for John/Jane Q. Public.

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So in a place surrounded by guns, and where the victim was probably armed with a gun, and where everyone was trained in gun use, NO ONE was able to defend him against the perpetrator. Not one single person.

Someone explain to me again how having access to guns helps us defend ourselves if we are attacked by a maniac?

Every day over 200 people are shot in the U.S. Every day over 80 of those people die. This man is simply another statistic and his death is no sadder or less sad than that of the other 80 people who died the same day that he did. 80 families lost a loved one on the day he died. His death just happened to make the news.

What is happening in this country is nothing short of tragic. And this man is only one very small example.

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I do wonder if this has anything to do with the lawsuit against Jesse Ventura, another SEAL?

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It simply looks like more seizing on a tragedy to score political points.

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I believe kdsub was using the word "reprogramming" to express the change between living life in a war zone and being back home, Desider. : )

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Kdsub,I can not speak for every person that has been a sniper,but from reading Chris Kyle's book "American Sniper" and several books on Carlos Hathcock that they saw what they did as saving other Americans lives.They did not appear to be blood thirsty or off in any way

I never intended to imply that Kyle was blood thirsty...only that he may have been dealing with issues in his past that may have been related to his death.
He would not be the first war hero to profit from his war record and at the same time suffer from the mental strain of his past actions in the horror of war.
I personally find it hard to imagine killing 160 people then making a profit over the story of how I did it. Not a criticism but looking at a man like that is like looking at an alien from outer space…beyond my understanding….as if that is important.
Butch

A lot of "reprogramming" goes on in the military to help the men and women get through some of this stuff. There is quite a necessity for adaptation back into civilian life that can hinder many. Chris Kyle may have taken the profits from his book and set himself up comfortably, and then the rest towards helping his fellow warriors. Plus, as was mentioned before, when you have to make a choice between killing someone or that someone killing your friend/cohort/colleague/etc., what is it you're going to do?
I think police officers that discharge their weapon and wound/kill someone have to have some sort of mental health therapy to help them cope. They are not as well trained as the military. I'm sure therapy of some sort is standard for the military men and women, even if it's just a simple chat with your superior.

I am not sure what you mean by "reprogramming" I was discharge from the Army, back in 1981 at Fort Dix, arrived one day, turned in my clothing, listen to a few speeches on the good job we did, what we may expect once we leave the army, an attempt to have us sign up for reseves or reenlist, all and all about 4 hours. The next day I woke up, had breakfast, signed my discharge papers and left, I was out before 9am. I do realize that now there are some programs like the Wounded Warrior, but I have little knowledge of them.
Yes there is in many Law Enforcement agencies requirement about seeing doctors after a shooting. I have always been preplexed as the preciption that law enforcement training some how is equal to military training...both are completly different, in scope, goals, requirements.....

The re-programming occurs in the beginning, at boot camp. It turns us ordinary schlubs into the best military in the world. Or, are you going to tell me that there is no mental/physical break down involved in training to make each one of you more alike?
The only way the police are similar to the military is that there is uniformity of training to get a type of person out, and the use of firearms is trained. Yes, they are vastly different, but they do share some commonalities, and a LEO killing a person isn't much different from a Marine killing a person, at the most basic level. Both ended a human life. Both have to deal with that. I don't think LEO's are as well-trained in dealing with that as the Military.
What is acceptable on the war front isn't always acceptable from a LEO, and certainly nowhere near acceptable for John/Jane Q. Public.

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