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RE: Obama Admin Gets OK to Use Drones On Americans - 2/5/2013 9:25:42 AM   
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I think it is in line with the wishes of the congress as expressed in the authorization to invade iraq resolution.  War on terror.

Do you support the authorization to invade Iraq, and the War on Terror?

What exactly does that have to do with it?  I do not support anything 'republicans' have done including the repeal of Glass-Stegall, the gutting of oversight agencies, the belligerent stance around the world, craven corporate capitulation and welfare,  and so on, but it is law of the land.  And this appears to be in keeping in spirit and letter with that constitutional declaration of war on terror which still stands.


You brought it up. You seem to be using it to justify the possibility and the legal argument. When was Glass-Steagall passed, again? Just looks like you'll use whatever excuse to justify a policy/position when it suits your side. That's all.

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And it is very disingenuous for the 'journalist' to use the secretive and whatever phrases, cuz it aint, and if it was meant to be, it is the worst kept secret in the world, since we have used drones to cakk some 30 or more al-queda terrorists since Obama was elected.


There is a huge difference between cakk-ing a terrorist in the Middle East who has been ID-ed as a terrorist. The white paper doesn't require evidence of the link for a US Citizen to be offed. You know that whole "innocent until proven guilty" thing that pops up every once in a while. And, the white paper wasn't about popping terrorists, but US Citizens.


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RE: Obama Admin Gets OK to Use Drones On Americans - 2/5/2013 9:27:49 AM   
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Public Laws 107-40 and 107-243 were bestowed upon us by the teabagger congress, but now they are against it after they were for it.
Seems to me that it is the ineptitude of congress should be at issue here.
Cuz them teabaggers are fuckin USELESS and INEPT.
Them imbecilic teabaggers and their unintended consequences, hah?


I find it hard to believe that the tea party had any identified representatives in Congress in 2001. The Tea Party Movement not really getting much of a start prior to 2008 and all...

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RE: Obama Admin Gets OK to Use Drones On Americans - 2/5/2013 9:57:52 AM   
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RE: Obama Admin Gets OK to Use Drones On Americans - 2/5/2013 10:42:23 AM   
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neo-cons, teabaggers, imbecilic right, a rose by any other name.......it is the usual hysterical inept and imbecilic out to lunch hard core right the same useless ideologically absurd fucksticks we have been dealing with since nixon et al.

And I'm with you on all of that. The part I don't fully understand is how or why you see Obama as any different.

More, do you really see no due process issue here? You're perfectly fine with some random government official somewhere declaring for whatever reasons that you are a terrorist and then having you executed? As I expected once the NDAA got going, we're not talking about trusting the president at this point. We're talking about trusting endless hoards of bureaucrats with judge/jury/executioner powers. Does that really sound anything like the legal landscape you were taught in school?


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RE: Obama Admin Gets OK to Use Drones On Americans - 2/5/2013 11:20:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		Obama thinks that killing a terrorist is ok, but it is wrong to waterboard someone ? I don't understand the thinking of this administration.

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RE: Obama Admin Gets OK to Use Drones On Americans - 2/5/2013 11:26:29 AM   
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Obama thinks that killing a terrorist is ok, but it is wrong to waterboard someone ? I don't understand the thinking of this administration.

Quite.
Just look at all that has been achieved by waterboarding people since 2003: you know everything about the distribution of insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan, and nobody has dared to mess with the occupying forces in the decade they've been camped out in Iraq, have they?
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RE: Obama Admin Gets OK to Use Drones On Americans - 2/5/2013 12:05:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		You brought it up. You seem to be using it to justify the possibility and the legal argument.

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There is no justification needed, I did not bring 'it' up.  I pointed out that the two laws give him constitutionally grounded authority to do this.  End of fuckin joke.

There is no possiblility, he has cakked some 30 al-queda terrorists using drones.   

If the teabaggers don't like the laws, change them....... instead of fucking around down there obstructing shit.  Take care of the nation's business and quit the fuckin pud pounding.

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RE: Obama Admin Gets OK to Use Drones On Americans - 2/5/2013 12:49:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		To Hell with the Rule of Law, then? Fuck the Constitution? Are you okay with targeting Americans based on accusations of being a terrorist or being linked to a terrorist group without supporting evidence?

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RE: Obama Admin Gets OK to Use Drones On Americans - 2/5/2013 1:08:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		My point is not to hell with rule of law, or constitution, it is the rule of law and the constitution.

More, do you really see no due process issue here? You're perfectly fine with some random government official somewhere declaring for whatever reasons that you are a terrorist and then having you executed?

The habeus has been removed as a declaration of war on terror, read the law.  It is a public law. 

I didn't make it, I howled like a motherfucker when they did this.  Teabaggers were fine at the time, now we got unintended consequences.

I was a voice crying in the wilderness, and here we are.

Now the law says this is ok.  It is lawful and constitutional at this point.  You guys gonna go assasinate someone?  I am not fine with it, but it is what it is.

I said my piece, outvoted there it is.  I dont condone it, but its the law, and I was so soundly and roundly shouted down, that my whining aint gonna do shit about this.

Howz about you guys, all sweating in the armpits about this shit, and it has been going on since 2001..........what you got done?   

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RE: Obama Admin Gets OK to Use Drones On Americans - 2/5/2013 3:59:07 PM   
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Since you are happy being a subject of monarchy you might have a bit of an issue with due process.




Lmfao......If you feel you have any more due process than I do, have at it.

Due process was in actual fact started by a Saxon king back in abpout 880 AD. Everything you have is based on offshoots of that.

The fact we have a Constitutional Monarchy doesnt mean the Monarch is actually in charge. You would know that if you were not so blinkered.

But back to the topic at hand. Do you feel its feasible for American terrorists to be captured on the battlefield ? Do you feel going after them with ground troops is woth the life of your troops.... I dont, and never have done.

Terrorists.....Just shoot the fuckers.





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RE: Obama Admin Gets OK to Use Drones On Americans - 2/5/2013 4:06:07 PM   
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RE: Obama Admin Gets OK to Use Drones On Americans - 2/5/2013 4:07:05 PM   
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I think it is in line with the wishes of the congress as expressed in the authorization to invade iraq resolution.  War on terror.


Do you support the authorization to invade Iraq, and the War on Terror?


The so called war on terror was a bullshit slogan dreamed up by the Bush administration. After 9/11 America had every right to go after Bin laden, again something I have said from day one. The neocons used 9/11 to further an agenda though. The CIA had been authorised to arm the Northern Alliance in the war with the Taliban a week before 9/11 even took place. Bush then called of the hunt for Bin Laden so he could go into Iraq to get Saddam.

Iraq had no WMD`s, wasnt helping Al Quaida, and posed no threat to the UK or US.... All this information is in the public domain from different US agencies.

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RE: Obama Admin Gets OK to Use Drones On Americans - 2/5/2013 4:08:28 PM   
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So, you isn't run by no Cabbage, then?  Why all the fuss about Dick3 then? 



Cause he was a bad uncle and killed his nephews. Then he had the temerity to be buried under a damn car park.


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RE: Obama Admin Gets OK to Use Drones On Americans - 2/5/2013 4:09:37 PM   
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RE: Obama Admin Gets OK to Use Drones On Americans - 2/5/2013 4:12:13 PM   
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Obama thinks that killing a terrorist is ok, but it is wrong to waterboard someone ? I don't understand the thinking of this administration.


Let me help........Those being waterboarded are already in your custody. Those being killed by drones are in areas that make them hard to capture.

Its not rocket science is it bro.

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RE: Obama Admin Gets OK to Use Drones On Americans - 2/5/2013 4:14:22 PM   
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Why the hell anyone would want to kill terrorists is beyond me.




It`s much scawier when done with dwones......



FYI to the uninformed.....drones have a much higher bad-guy vs. non-com kill ratio than do manned aircraft kills.



Manned aircraft kill a lot more innocent people ,which the cowardly-chicken-hawk-cons don`t seem to have a problem with.

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RE: Obama Admin Gets OK to Use Drones On Americans - 2/5/2013 4:15:24 PM   
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RE: Obama Admin Gets OK to Use Drones On Americans - 2/5/2013 4:16:06 PM   
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So, you isn't run by no Cabbage, then?  Why all the fuss about Dick3 then? 


Oooh, the Richard the Turd find is quite exciting. It's almost like going back in time. He really did carry one shoulder higher than the other - the skeleton shows that. That, at least, wasn't propaganda and hogwash made up by grovellers to the Tudors (incl. one W. Shakespeare). He wasn't a bad geezer, either, by some accounts - aside from that little matter of the disappearing princes in the Tower, of course.


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RE: Obama Admin Gets OK to Use Drones On Americans - 2/5/2013 4:19:40 PM   
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which court made that determination again?


I wondered when Snow White would let Dopey on her computer again.

You say you understand law but when faced with reality, on any subject, you just show your ignorance.

If you have any particualr determination you wish to debate start a thread on the fucking thing. I will happily oblige.

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RE: Obama Admin Gets OK to Use Drones On Americans - 2/5/2013 4:25:52 PM   
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It`s much scawier when done with dwones......


Joking aside, I think it may well be, actually. Drone-attacks seem to fuck up the local populace in a way like nothing before. Personally, I couldn't imagine anything more oppressive than the idea of an unseen, unassailable thing in the air that causes death and destruction with no warning, apparently from nowhere. A bit like the V1 and V2 attacks on London during WW2, only worse.

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