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And how is that, the US kills thousends of innocent muslims, just like the Nazi's did with Jews... only difference is that the US doesn't has gaschambers... but they've got their drones and guantanamo bay.

US supports terrorism like no other country does so yes it is terrorist nation no.1

The world is also waiting for the US to make its foolish mistake of war... possibly with Iran.

Believe me, if the U.S. was really as bad as you say they are, then there would be no Iran today. The country would not exist; it would be an uninhabitable wasteland.

A lot of Americans complain that our government is too nice to the rest of the world. If we really wanted to be "terrorist nation number 1," then we would have conquered the whole world by now (or at least wiped out billions in the attempt).

Since that has not happened, then we can see that your analysis is wildly off-base.

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Well there is a very good documentary by the BBC that followed OBL around and was not only witness to what I wrote but also interviewed many of those involved. Those interviews included men who did and didn't join OBL.

Not really big deals but the Taliban is not really a govt. as such but simply a religious movement that seeks arms and power through any means, take over society and install Sharia orthodoxy. They also want to bring down all Muslim govts, they deem too close to the west or otherwise not sufficiently Sharia.

Afghanistan has never had a central govt. in the western sense. It has always been tribes and tribal leaders. Al-Quada was however the name of a Jewish 'agency' created about the 1930's well before WWII to expel Palestinians from Palestine and specifically for the purpose of forming an Israeli country starting with Jerusalem.

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Lol haha, the US wouldn't even come close if they tried to conquer the world xD

And yes you are terrorist nation number 1.

US supports countries that violate human rights, the US supports terrorist organisations and the US itself commits terrorist acts... they even where convicted in the past for state terrorism.

Like i said, Simple as that.

And wich countrie would be terrorist nation no.1 in your opinion then?

When was the US convicted of state terroism and by whom?

By the International court somewhere in the eighties for illigally supporting the Contra's in Nicaragua.

Sombody someplace at sometime but trust me it happened. come back when you have something better.

You can easely google it;)

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The Netherlands never supported that guy;) We only stayed neutral.

But lets go back to the US, they supported the most violent regimes in the past, wich already makes the US more evil then the Netherlands...

Today the US supports groups like Al-Qaeda... and they support these violent regimes of Saudi-Arabia and Israel;)

So... who's worse?


BTW. the US is convicted of state terror;) Netherlands is not.

That is totally untrue.
Killing people in Al-Qaeda cannot be confused with supporting them.
We played a large part in the destruction of the Nazis.
We opposed Pol Pot.
And the Rowanda genocides.
And on and on
Netherlands pretended it wasn't thier problem cause they were "nuetral"
Neutral is a nice word for afraid.

You do support Al-Qaeda.. you did it in Afghanistan.. and now in Syria... and even when you fight them you make them stronger and bigger.

US supported the Shah, Saddam Hussein, The royal famely of Saudi-Arabia ect. ect. i can put a list here with over a hundred violent regimes that where or are supported by the US.

If you knew what kind of shitty army the Netherlands had at that time, well the US wouldn't have done different.

We did not support Al Qaeda in Afganistan, when we support those resisting the Soviets AQ didn't exist
The US gave Hussein just enough help to keep the was with Iraq going leting two of our enemies kill each outher off
So you admit that your magnificent nuetrality was a facade to cover cowardness.
Those without courage always critisise those with it

Al-Qaeda was formed from the resistance against the Soviets, so the US actually helped the start of Al-Qaeda...
So you already admit that the US supported Hussein...
No i did not, its simple survival, Germany wasn't a threat to the Netherlands aslong as we staid neutral, so why would we go to war with them?

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Well there is a very good documentary by the BBC that followed OBL around and was not only witness to what I wrote but also interviewed many of those involved. Those interviews included men who did and didn't join OBL.

Not really big deals but the Taliban is not really a govt. as such but simply a religious movement that seeks arms and power through any means, take over society and install Sharia orthodoxy. They also want to bring down all Muslim govts, they deem too close to the west or otherwise not sufficiently Sharia.

Afghanistan has never had a central govt. in the western sense. It has always been tribes and tribal leaders. Al-Quada was however the name of a Jewish 'agency' created about the 1930's well before WWII to expel Palestinians from Palestine and specifically for the purpose of forming an Israeli country starting with Jerusalem.

Who do you think was running the Government when the Taliban had control.

2) Id love to see a link about AQ being a Jewish agency. Its a tad ludicrous to expect a Jewish Agency to have an Arabic name.

3) The Taliban in Afghanistan, the Pakistani Taliban do want to bring down a corrupt government though, Mullah Omar never stated the aim of making all Muslims countries Sharia states

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
Well there is a very good documentary by the BBC that followed OBL around and was not only witness to what I wrote but also interviewed many of those involved. Those interviews included men who did and didn't join OBL.

Not really big deals but the Taliban is not really a govt. as such but simply a religious movement that seeks arms and power through any means, take over society and install Sharia orthodoxy. They also want to bring down all Muslim govts, they deem too close to the west or otherwise not sufficiently Sharia.

Afghanistan has never had a central govt. in the western sense. It has always been tribes and tribal leaders. Al-Quada was however the name of a Jewish 'agency' created about the 1930's well before WWII to expel Palestinians from Palestine and specifically for the purpose of forming an Israeli country starting with Jerusalem.

Who do you think was running the Government when the Taliban had control.

2) Id love to see a link about AQ being a Jewish agency. Its a tad ludicrous to expect a Jewish Agency to have an Arabic name.

3) The Taliban in Afghanistan, the Pakistani Taliban do want to bring down a corrupt government though, Mullah Omar never stated the aim of making all Muslims countries Sharia states

Look, to the extent the Talibam had any control was on a local level and never anywhere near what anyone could call. the whole country. What anyone might losely call a central govt. was in fact created out of nothing so we could install Karzai whereupon we rigged his re-election just as in Vietnam to suit our war aims.

The rest is intrigue as there are no central govt. strong enough to defeat Muslim or Arab hatred for the west. I stated the criteria of the Taliban

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I think I may have figure out the rub is here...


To the anti-droners.....these machines are NOT autonomous robots out seeking their own targets.....


Unmanned may sound like no person(live human being in real time) is in control of the drone but that is NOT the case.


There is a command structure with multiple people involved in what they do.In fact,there`s MORE scrutiny,MORE eyes on the target,MORE officers that have to sign off on a missile launch,than in manned aircraft.Plus,a small army of intel people gathering the info.

That a LOT more scrutiny that one or two pilots in an Apache

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So what about Al Alwakis son ?

There was no justification for that.

Hey I feel bad and if there was another way,I`d be all for it.

I wouldn`t hesitate even a half a second to do the same thing, firing a Howitzer from a mile away......son or not.





We are NOT going to let the target off just because they are out of range of conventional weapons.



I don`t recall very much fuss over cruise missiles or any guided missile in the past.



What is it about drones that makes them so much more scarier?

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yeah its a tough one. collateral damage is acknowledged by the department of defense & civilains get killed. but the threat has been curbed. witout these actions who can say what destruction terrorists will cause? consider mali the lesser of evils?

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Lol haha, the US wouldn't even come close if they tried to conquer the world xD

And yes you are terrorist nation number 1.

US supports countries that violate human rights, the US supports terrorist organisations and the US itself commits terrorist acts... they even where convicted in the past for state terrorism.

Like i said, Simple as that.

And wich countrie would be terrorist nation no.1 in your opinion then?

When was the US convicted of state terroism and by whom?

By the International court somewhere in the eighties for illigally supporting the Contra's in Nicaragua.

Sombody someplace at sometime but trust me it happened. come back when you have something better.

You can easely google it;)

now you want me to prove your claim? you made the claim you prove it

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The Netherlands never supported that guy;) We only stayed neutral.

But lets go back to the US, they supported the most violent regimes in the past, wich already makes the US more evil then the Netherlands...

Today the US supports groups like Al-Qaeda... and they support these violent regimes of Saudi-Arabia and Israel;)

So... who's worse?


BTW. the US is convicted of state terror;) Netherlands is not.

That is totally untrue.
Killing people in Al-Qaeda cannot be confused with supporting them.
We played a large part in the destruction of the Nazis.
We opposed Pol Pot.
And the Rowanda genocides.
And on and on
Netherlands pretended it wasn't thier problem cause they were "nuetral"
Neutral is a nice word for afraid.

You do support Al-Qaeda.. you did it in Afghanistan.. and now in Syria... and even when you fight them you make them stronger and bigger.

US supported the Shah, Saddam Hussein, The royal famely of Saudi-Arabia ect. ect. i can put a list here with over a hundred violent regimes that where or are supported by the US.

If you knew what kind of shitty army the Netherlands had at that time, well the US wouldn't have done different.

We did not support Al Qaeda in Afganistan, when we support those resisting the Soviets AQ didn't exist
The US gave Hussein just enough help to keep the was with Iraq going leting two of our enemies kill each outher off
So you admit that your magnificent nuetrality was a facade to cover cowardness.
Those without courage always critisise those with it

Al-Qaeda was formed from the resistance against the Soviets, so the US actually helped the start of Al-Qaeda...
So you already admit that the US supported Hussein...
No i did not, its simple survival, Germany wasn't a threat to the Netherlands aslong as we staid neutral, so why would we go to war with them?

They marched right across the low countries when they went around the French defense a lot of good nuetrality did you.
We didn't help Hussien we let him keep fighting and using up his army, something we learned from the British.

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Which doesn't change the premis that many Americans have the notion "If you are not with us, you are against us"

I don't believe that is what is going on...I believe it is more like...We are doing our best...

Butch

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After the fall of the SU, the US became terrorist nation no.1`
Simple as that, and now the world needs to act on it just like they did with the Nazi's!

I don't think we're terrorist nation number 1 (at least not since the 19th century), and the comparison to the Nazis is out of line and totally irrational.

For other Europeans posting here, I should point out that this is the kind of rhetoric which makes Europeans who criticize America look foolish, and this is why some Americans might be inclined to respond vitriolically to such criticisms.

Besides, "the world" didn't act on anything in regards to the Nazis. "The world" just sat around and waited for the Nazis to attack, appeasing them and making deals with them in the years leading up to it.

It might be interesting to see how "the world" might act against America. China has figured out how to deal with America, and they've prospered quite nicely in the process.

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Look, to the extent the Talibam had any control was on a local level and never anywhere near what anyone could call. the whole country. What anyone might losely call a central govt. was in fact created out of nothing so we could install Karzai whereupon we rigged his re-election just as in Vietnam to suit our war aims.

The rest is intrigue as there are no central govt. strong enough to defeat Muslim or Arab hatred for the west. I stated the criteria of the Taliban

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yeah its a tough one. collateral damage is acknowledged by the department of defense & civilains get killed. but the threat has been curbed. witout these actions who can say what destruction terrorists will cause? consider mali the lesser of evils?

Actually, since 911 there haven't been a lot of terrorism, and none on US ground, other than by your own terrorists.

I consider making US (and other countries) into police states where people can be arrested, not put in front of a judge but made to 'disappear', tortured, and killed a much bigger risk than a terrorist attack somewhere once a year.

The whole 'war on terrorism' is nonsense, and started by a president who hears voices, and who has a good interest in oil.

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I was refering too WWII My friend
Just enough money and information to keep the war going never enough to actually give him a chance to win time honored tactic perfected by the Brits.
At that time we saw the Iranians as a greater threat than the Iragis
Is it that you can't see or that you won't see

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I was refering too WWII My friend

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the Netherlands had one of the highest levels of collaboration with the Nazis during the Holocaust. 75% of the country’s Jewish population were exterminated, a much higher percentage than countries like Belgium and France.