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OsideGirl -> RE: Racist Rabbit at Disneyland? (2/9/2013 4:36:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen
I worked at DisneyWorld as a teenager. Back then, early 80's, the costume heads were next to impossible to see out of. The eye hole was usually in the mouth of the head no matter how tall you were. The handlers were necessary to guide the person in the costume and to make sure you kept to the schedule. The handler was also the one who poised the costume wearer and the kids for photos. In a costume you literally could not see anyone under about 5 foot close up.

The park was saturated with cameras so if anything happened, parents blamed the staff for everything, the bosses could see exactly what happened.

So I'm skeptical about the details of this incident.


Let's also add:

It's makes a lot of assumption about the motives of the person in the suit, who is someone that you don't know the gender, the race, isn't allowed to speak and you can't see their face.




LafayetteLady -> RE: Racist Rabbit at Disneyland? (2/9/2013 4:39:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: erieangel

That argument doesn't fit the story of the rabbit hugging and taking pictures with other kids at the time the black kids were ignored.

As for the claim that there will some monetary civil award, etc. My son recently was accused of shop lifting at a Walmart (he wasn't). The night manager just got his panties in a bunch when my son refused to pay for a jeans ripped when he tried them on. After half an hour in hand cuffs, which were removed when the state police, a trooper who actually knows my son, arrived. The manager was mean, nasty and belligerent for 2 hours. The next day, my son contacted corporate headquarters and within 30 minutes he got a call from a district manager who apologized to him and told him that both the night manager and the store manager were being let go (it seems the store manager hired his unqualified brother-in-law as night manager, which was against the rules). My son and I both would have preferred a public apology, but he's happy with the results. Neither of us shop at Walmart often, but we will both run in there for small things once in while. This incident reminded him why we never buy clothes there.



What exactly does that have to do with a monetary award from a civil suit? In your analogy, your son would have taken the free tickets or the $500 from Disney and been done with the matter.




tazzygirl -> RE: Racist Rabbit at Disneyland? (2/9/2013 4:48:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen
I worked at DisneyWorld as a teenager. Back then, early 80's, the costume heads were next to impossible to see out of. The eye hole was usually in the mouth of the head no matter how tall you were. The handlers were necessary to guide the person in the costume and to make sure you kept to the schedule. The handler was also the one who poised the costume wearer and the kids for photos. In a costume you literally could not see anyone under about 5 foot close up.

The park was saturated with cameras so if anything happened, parents blamed the staff for everything, the bosses could see exactly what happened.

So I'm skeptical about the details of this incident.


Let's also add:

It's makes a lot of assumption about the motives of the person in the suit, who is someone that you don't know the gender, the race, isn't allowed to speak and you can't see their face.



I will be shocked if we ever learn who was in that suit.

Does it matter?




OsideGirl -> RE: Racist Rabbit at Disneyland? (2/9/2013 4:57:01 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl


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ORIGINAL: DomKen
I worked at DisneyWorld as a teenager. Back then, early 80's, the costume heads were next to impossible to see out of. The eye hole was usually in the mouth of the head no matter how tall you were. The handlers were necessary to guide the person in the costume and to make sure you kept to the schedule. The handler was also the one who poised the costume wearer and the kids for photos. In a costume you literally could not see anyone under about 5 foot close up.

The park was saturated with cameras so if anything happened, parents blamed the staff for everything, the bosses could see exactly what happened.

So I'm skeptical about the details of this incident.


Let's also add:

It's makes a lot of assumption about the motives of the person in the suit, who is someone that you don't know the gender, the race, isn't allowed to speak and you can't see their face.



I will be shocked if we ever learn who was in that suit.

Does it matter?



I think it does simply because a lot of the cues that we look at when someone is interacting with us, are missing in this scenario. That point is reinforced that none of us know anything about the person in that suit or what they're thinking.

We don't know how the rabbit interacted with other African American families, or families of other races. We don't know if the person inside that suit is African American themselves. So, I think banging the drum and assuming racism is a little premature without more information.




tazzygirl -> RE: Racist Rabbit at Disneyland? (2/9/2013 5:34:09 PM)

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I think it does simply because a lot of the cues that we look at when someone is interacting with us, are missing in this scenario. That point is reinforced that none of us know anything about the person in that suit or what they're thinking.

We don't know how the rabbit interacted with other African American families, or families of other races. We don't know if the person inside that suit is African American themselves. So, I think banging the drum and assuming racism is a little premature without more information.


You are right in that we have no clue who was in the suit.

We also have to keep in mind that Disneyland is unionized, unless something has changed in the past 10 years or so.

However, there would have to be some great explanations to convince me, were I on a jury, that the actions we have seen so far are not racial in at least appearance. And that is Disney's world... illusions and appearances.




imdoingitagain -> RE: Racist Rabbit at Disneyland? (2/12/2013 5:29:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

(As always...where is Reverend Sharpton when you need him?)

I thought we already established no one was looking for money here..?




WantsOfTheFlesh -> RE: Racist Rabbit at Disneyland? (2/12/2013 6:21:18 PM)

yup its worth investigating whyat happened but shouldnt draw conclusions right now

tinfoilers have suspicions bout disneyland too http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/disneyland-update-secrets-of-club-33-video/ but file under lulz




VioletGray -> RE: Racist Rabbit at Disneyland? (2/12/2013 8:51:15 PM)

Things I have learned so far in this thread.

1.)If an amusement park mascot refuses to hug your child then your child was probably dirty, and poor.

2.)Some Disney mascot suits have the visibility set to "racist," making them able to view white children only.

3.)Had the person in the suit been of the same race as the children that would render the accusation null and void, because discrimination never happens between two or more people of the same ethnic group.

4.)No one can reach like Reed Richards of the Fantastic Four, but Diurnalvampire's post comes, really, really close.




LafayetteLady -> RE: Racist Rabbit at Disneyland? (2/12/2013 9:13:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: imdoingitagain


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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

(As always...where is Reverend Sharpton when you need him?)

I thought we already established no one was looking for money here..?


I would say far from it. As I said earlier, no attorney is going to take on a case like this without a large retainer or hope of a monetary award.

As was also pointed out, the attorney seems to be seeking to make this a class action suit. Do you honestly believe that all these people are going to file class action for an apology?




DesideriScuri -> RE: Racist Rabbit at Disneyland? (2/13/2013 12:38:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: VioletGray
Things I have learned so far in this thread.
1.)If an amusement park mascot refuses to hug your child then your child was probably dirty, and poor.
2.)Some Disney mascot suits have the visibility set to "racist," making them able to view white children only.
3.)Had the person in the suit been of the same race as the children that would render the accusation null and void, because discrimination never happens between two or more people of the same ethnic group.
4.)No one can reach like Reed Richards of the Fantastic Four, but Diurnalvampire's post comes, really, really close.


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