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Bill Would Require All Idaho Kids To Read Ayn Rand’s ... - 2/9/2013 10:01:25 AM   
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Coeur d’Alene Sen. John Goedde, chairman of the Idaho Senate’s Education Committee, introduced legislation Tuesday to require every Idaho high school student to read Ayn Rand’s “Atlas Shrugged” and pass a test on it to graduate from high school.

When Sen. Bob Nonini, R-Coeur d’Alene, asked Goedde why he chose that particular book, Goedde said to laughter, “That book made my son a Republican.”...

The 1957 novel has been embraced by libertarians and the tea party movement, in part for its opposition to “statism” and embrace of capitalism, as Rand expressed her philosophy of “objectivism,” focusing on “the morality of rational self-interest.” In recent years, the novel has been touted by conservative commentators including Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck.

“When I read Atlas Shrugged, and it’s been probably 30 years since I read it, but it certainly gives one a sense of personal responsibility,” Goedde said…

As a formally introduced bill, the measure will be read across the desk in the Senate Wednesday morning and will receive a bill number; it will be among the bills posted on the Legislature’s website for the session and preserved in its records.

Before voting to introduce the measure, other Senate Education Committee members joked that they’d like to put forth their own favorite books for consideration.

Asked about his comment that the Ayn Rand book made his son a Republican, Goedde said after the meeting, “Well, he’s not a practicing Republican. But it certainly made him a conservative.”

Bill Would Require All Idaho Kids To Read Ayn Rand’s ‘Atlas Shrugged’

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There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged.

One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world.

The other, of course, involves orcs.


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RE: Bill Would Require All Idaho Kids To Read Ayn Rand�... - 2/9/2013 10:20:10 AM   
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Indoctrination or what?


It`s interesting/tragic that so much our right wing,being the most virulent defenders of American sovereignty and our nations independence, seem to be ok with the international corporate elite(who don`t have any loyalty to the US) calling the shots and making policy.


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RE: Bill Would Require All Idaho Kids To Read Ayn Rand�... - 2/9/2013 11:02:06 AM   
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Coeur d’Alene Sen. John Goedde, chairman of the Idaho Senate’s Education Committee, introduced legislation Tuesday to require every Idaho high school student to read Ayn Rand’s “Atlas Shrugged” and pass a test on it to graduate from high school.
When Sen. Bob Nonini, R-Coeur d’Alene, asked Goedde why he chose that particular book, Goedde said to laughter, “That book made my son a Republican.”...
The 1957 novel has been embraced by libertarians and the tea party movement, in part for its opposition to “statism” and embrace of capitalism, as Rand expressed her philosophy of “objectivism,” focusing on “the morality of rational self-interest.” In recent years, the novel has been touted by conservative commentators including Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck.
“When I read Atlas Shrugged, and it’s been probably 30 years since I read it, but it certainly gives one a sense of personal responsibility,” Goedde said…
As a formally introduced bill, the measure will be read across the desk in the Senate Wednesday morning and will receive a bill number; it will be among the bills posted on the Legislature’s website for the session and preserved in its records.
Before voting to introduce the measure, other Senate Education Committee members joked that they’d like to put forth their own favorite books for consideration.
Asked about his comment that the Ayn Rand book made his son a Republican, Goedde said after the meeting, “Well, he’s not a practicing Republican. But it certainly made him a conservative.”

Bill Would Require All Idaho Kids To Read Ayn Rand’s ‘Atlas Shrugged’
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There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged.
One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world.
The other, of course, involves orcs.


I can't support this type of legislation. While I absolutely do think Atlas Shrugged is an important book for a person to read, having it mandated for a HS student, and require a passing grade on a test over the book for a diploma certainly seems ridiculous. I can see it being a college-level book for class discussion, along with other greats, Dante's Inferno, Chaucer's Canterbury Tales, etc. Next thing you know, there will be Chicago politicos mandating the same stupid practice, but change the book to Alinsky's Rules for Radicals, or something along those lines. Then, there will be a rogue party taking over a State legislature and requiring Mein Kampf or A Communist Manifesto.

Had the required text been a full term (semester or quarter) class over The Federalist Papers, I could wholeheartedly get behind that sort of thing.


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RE: Bill Would Require All Idaho Kids To Read Ayn Rand�... - 2/9/2013 11:05:00 AM   
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When there are so many well-written classics and pieces of actual good literature out there, I am not sure why Atlas Shrugged would be included in a class. That is kind of like mandating 50 Shades in a BDSM class lol

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RE: Bill Would Require All Idaho Kids To Read Ayn Rand�... - 2/9/2013 11:14:21 AM   
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When there are so many well-written classics and pieces of actual good literature out there, I am not sure why Atlas Shrugged would be included in a class. That is kind of like mandating 50 Shades in a BDSM class lol

It`s political.

There`s a relatively unknown(now less so) cult following of Rand, by the right.

Here`s a funny little piece on it.



http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/418458/august-29-2012/ayn-rand---paul-ryan


Jennifer burns interview.

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/418459/august-29-2012/jennifer-burns

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RE: Bill Would Require All Idaho Kids To Read Ayn Rand�... - 2/9/2013 11:15:36 AM   
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I hope they realize that the plan could backfire. Sometimes reading about people who represent the utmost in selfishness can make an idealistic young student turn socialist.

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RE: Bill Would Require All Idaho Kids To Read Ayn Rand�... - 2/9/2013 11:16:16 AM   
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Well, if they're trying to push that one through a public school education, maybe they should be obliged to give equal time to some London, Crane or Wells?

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RE: Bill Would Require All Idaho Kids To Read Ayn Rand�... - 2/9/2013 11:20:54 AM   
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When there are so many well-written classics and pieces of actual good literature out there, I am not sure why Atlas Shrugged would be included in a class. That is kind of like mandating 50 Shades in a BDSM class lol


I know there are. And, I wouldn't mandate Atlas Shrugged to be one of them, but I could see it fitting in. I satisfied my Comp I and Comp II requirements with 2 classes that had required reading of "great books" followed by discussion and writings. Chaucer and Dante were among them, which is why I cited those. We did not have to read Rand in the class. I can see it fitting in, though.


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RE: Bill Would Require All Idaho Kids To Read Ayn Rand�... - 2/9/2013 11:24:19 AM   
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Isn't the party that wants this the same one that is constantly whining about "Indoctrination"?

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RE: Bill Would Require All Idaho Kids To Read Ayn Rand�... - 2/9/2013 11:26:19 AM   
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I actually read all of the Canterbury Tales, Inferno and A Communist Manifesto in college. I've also read about 10 pages of an Ayn Rand book and couldn't read any more. There aren't very books that I simply can't read. A James Mitchner novel at the age of 14, with all of his scientific and geological facts was more readable than Ayn Rand can ever be for me.

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RE: Bill Would Require All Idaho Kids To Read Ayn Rand�... - 2/9/2013 11:26:48 AM   
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When there are so many well-written classics and pieces of actual good literature out there, I am not sure why Atlas Shrugged would be included in a class. That is kind of like mandating 50 Shades in a BDSM class lol


I know there are. And, I wouldn't mandate Atlas Shrugged to be one of them, but I could see it fitting in. I satisfied my Comp I and Comp II requirements with 2 classes that had required reading of "great books" followed by discussion and writings. Chaucer and Dante were among them, which is why I cited those. We did not have to read Rand in the class. I can see it fitting in, though.


Really? Because I'd bracket Atlas Shrugged with the more shitawfully quasi literate end of early SF than with "great books" myself: it might be vaguely interesting on an ideological level, but it has nothing to recommend it on a literary level. The characters are thinner than karen Carpenter ten minutes after she starved herself to death, most of the dialogue appears to have been translated from Klingon by babelfish, the prose reads ;like the work of a Sun reader with a fractured skull, and the plot is almost invisible.
If that qualifies as a "great book", then so does Battlefield Earth.

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RE: Bill Would Require All Idaho Kids To Read Ayn Rand�... - 2/9/2013 11:27:35 AM   
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There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged.

One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world.

The other, of course, involves orcs.


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RE: Bill Would Require All Idaho Kids To Read Ayn Rand�... - 2/9/2013 11:27:49 AM   
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Does anyone really give a shit about Idaho?

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RE: Bill Would Require All Idaho Kids To Read Ayn Rand�... - 2/9/2013 11:30:40 AM   
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Isn't the party that wants this the same one that is constantly whining about "Indoctrination"?

Yes, but only when the idoctrination disagrees with their own indoctrinaty stuff...

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RE: Bill Would Require All Idaho Kids To Read Ayn Rand�... - 2/9/2013 11:40:51 AM   
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Does anyone really give a shit about Idaho?



Her appeal isn`t just in Idaho.


The government forcing kids to read rightwing dogma(or any book) in the hopes that it will produce young republicans is creepy and should be against the law.




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RE: Bill Would Require All Idaho Kids To Read Ayn Rand�... - 2/9/2013 11:42:45 AM   
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Reading Ayn Rand’s ‘Atlas Shrugged and discussing it could be very beneficial for children. It may help to understand the current affairs. After all the US has developed into dystopian society. It happened, and it progresses in slow stealthy manner, and it is not evident for most. I think, perhaps this was the reason.
Although, legislating what children should read is wrong. Most senators themselves have questionable education level and they live in their gated wealthy isolation.

Sometimes Ayn Rand is labeled as a libertarian, it seems not to be the case. Although, her individualist ideas are very important and timely to examine for young people.
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-11-29/ayn-rand-was-not-libertarian

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RE: Bill Would Require All Idaho Kids To Read Ayn Rand�... - 2/9/2013 11:46:07 AM   
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Two comments people submitted to the original on-line newspaper article:

Reader Comment One:

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High School students should read Margeret Atwood's 'A Handmaid's Tale' instead, and warn them that if they don't vote, Right Wing Christian zealots could 'take back their country' - all the way back to the middle ages, as portrayed in the novel.


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I can see why "Atlas Shrugged" would appeal to adolescents. At it's core the novel is a justification for selfishness and a self-centered world view. Not hard to imagine teenagers would embrace such simplicity.

Hopefully teachers, like myself, provide context to augment the teaching of the novel that includes a biography of the author.

They need to know she died of lung cancer after decades of methamphetamine abuse and cigarette smoking. She kept her husband as a cuckold, enjoying a extra-marital affair lasting, again, decades, with a bleary eyed young sycophant. In her waning years, riddled with cancer, she committed Medicare fraud using a servant's identity to obtain health care benefits she never contributed to and railed against.


My personal suggestion for a required high school reading assignment (in their senior year) - Sinclair Lewis' "It Can't Happen Here". Wikipedia does a good description:

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"It Can't Happen Here" describes the rise of Buzz Windrip, a populist United States senator who is elected to the presidency after promising drastic economic and social reforms while promoting a return to patriotism and traditional values. After his election, Windrip takes complete control over the government and imposes totalitarian rule with the help of a ruthless paramilitary force, in the manner of Adolf Hitler and the Schutzstaffel.

Lewis modeled Windrip after Huey Long, Democratic Governor of Louisiana.

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RE: Bill Would Require All Idaho Kids To Read Ayn Rand�... - 2/9/2013 11:50:47 AM   
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Speak for yourself.

We (in America and the 1st world) enjoy an excellent standard of living and better health,longer lives....etc.



Less people are dying in wars and or terror attacks,from hunger/sickness than ever before.


No one said her work shouldn`t be studied.


What book has anyone ever been required by law(punishable)to be read?


It`s not the book but the fascism that`s off putting.


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RE: Bill Would Require All Idaho Kids To Read Ayn Rand�... - 2/9/2013 1:44:41 PM   
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Thankfully this piece of legislation wont pass.

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RE: Bill Would Require All Idaho Kids To Read Ayn Rand�... - 2/9/2013 1:48:17 PM   
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I read Atlas Shrugged a couple of years ago and was not impressed. I was even less impressed with Rand as a person and woman. And I tend to lean Republican. If my kids are going to be assigned books....I'd rather them be good book lol ;)

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