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RE: Am I in the wrong here? - 2/13/2013 8:27:25 PM   
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I didn't see any topping from the bottom. I saw you seeming to be rude to someone who was trying to get to know you imo.

ETA: Ok, so I just finished reading all the responses.

Dude, get to know a sub as a person first and not a sub. Don't call it sub hunting unless that's all you plan on having someone in your life for and nothing more. But if you're looking for something long term and committed, think of her as a person you want to get to know as a woman...not a sub.

Finding someone here is no different than finding someone like everyone else in the world does.


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RE: Am I in the wrong here? - 2/15/2013 7:57:14 AM   
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As much as I dislike being wrong, being an ass about it just adds to mistake. I've been wrong before, I'll be wrong again. Hopefully not for a while.




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RE: Am I in the wrong here? - 2/15/2013 12:53:19 PM   
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I like people who can admit to mistakes graciously. Speaks volumes about them, well, to me anyway.
And no worries op, the more you're wrong, the more you learn. So look at it like a faster learning rate.

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RE: Am I in the wrong here? - 2/15/2013 1:02:58 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DominusCaptiva

As much as I dislike being wrong, being an ass about it just adds to mistake. I've been wrong before, I'll be wrong again. Hopefully not for a while.


Oh, don't worry about being wrong again! If you didn't get things wrong, you wouldn't be learning.
Smart people learn constantly.

You showed much grace in accepting the feedback and responding with maturity, OP.


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RE: Am I in the wrong here? - 2/15/2013 1:33:20 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: TNDommeK

I like people who can admit to mistakes graciously. Speaks volumes about them, well, to me anyway.
And no worries op, the more you're wrong, the more you learn. So look at it like a faster learning rate.


Agreed.


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RE: Am I in the wrong here? - 2/15/2013 1:35:38 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DominusCaptiva

This a copy from the email history. It's backwards, but I'm at work and don't have the time to clean it up.

Am I wrong about this sounding like an attempt to top from the bottom? I'm asking the subs because I figure they would be better at spotting topping from the bottom in general.



Most of this has been covered.

My one comment is: It's a mistake to get too worked up about dom-sub roles or protocol in an initial email exchange.

She's not your sub, you're not her dom. She doesn't owe you deference or respect, and doesn't need to give you any information she isn't comfortable giving you. The most you can expect is the same civility you would treat her with.

The problem isn't that she topped from the bottom. It was that you were trying to top a stranger before she had any reason to care what you think about anything.

Be a human being, not a "dom." Because "dom" isn't your title or personality or a way to interact with the world at large (unless you are ready to have a lot of world at large spit in your face). It's a role you assume in a relationship, and until you are in a relationship, you cant have that role.

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RE: Am I in the wrong here? - 2/15/2013 8:22:00 PM   
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I also agree with the others, you are wrong. If you had done that to me you would of seen not polite. Submission is earned or have you forgot that. I hate it when I am asked if I would relocate. I do not have it clicked and I do not plan on moving from here ever. If a Dom is willing to relocate for me that would be his choice. I have my intrests on my profile. READ THEM if you want to know about me. If there is something that Dom is intrested in and I do not have it listed I don't mind if he asks me that. I have my hard limits posted. They are just that hard limits and things I will never ever do. Submissives have brains and can think for them selves we will submit when the trust is earned. If you want that submission then earn it. Frankly it is doms like you that give this lifestyle the negative attetion it receives. A true Dom/Sub relationship is based on TRUST. Yes I am using that word a lot because you seem to forget what that is. Honestly I feel your ego is much to large, and that you probally abuse your powers as a Dom.

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RE: Am I in the wrong here? - 2/15/2013 8:41:46 PM   
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Actually, OP, your reaction struck me as excessive and even aggressive. You flew off the handle with "You want me to open up first ...", which is also where you lost me. If you didn't have time to arrange your posts to make them more legible, you should have waited until you did.

She isn't your sub.

She owes you nothing.

You overreacted and made assumptions. No wonder she reacted in kind. You seemed to be in a hurry to evaluate her, rather than letting things evolve naturally. Finding a match doesn't happen that fast.


QFT. If a profile states I require "x,y,z" and you are outside of that...then don't expect to be compatible with that person. I find that a lot of disagreements on the other side occur when one person is a bit pushy and longs to be the exception to the other's rules.

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RE: Am I in the wrong here? - 2/17/2013 5:44:59 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: absolutchocolat

QFT. If a profile states I require "x,y,z" and you are outside of that...then don't expect to be compatible with that person. I find that a lot of disagreements on the other side occur when one person is a bit pushy and longs to be the exception to the other's rules.



This is very true. Pretty much every guy who messages me thinks that they are going to be the one to change my mind about not seeking a relationship. They're not, and with each one who does message me with this attitude, I get less and less tolerant.

We put the time and thought into writing our profiles (ok, so mine currently doesn't say much at all, but it has done in the past when I have been seeking) so that people can know up front whether or not they are what we're looking for. If others would actually read and understand those profiles, and not contact us asking for something that we're not offering, life would be much nicer!!

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RE: Am I in the wrong here? - 2/17/2013 8:19:37 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: nimue1
Pretty much every guy who messages me thinks that they are going to be the one to change my mind about not seeking a relationship.


Very true. Although, putting Master's picture on my profile has reduced that to a trickle. I do still get a wanker a day.


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RE: Am I in the wrong here? - 2/17/2013 10:33:59 AM   
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I think the answer lays in the second sentence, "Either you are a stupid fuck or just can't comprehend English."

That about sums it up.

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RE: Am I in the wrong here? - 2/26/2013 8:52:53 PM   
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I think this is topping from the bottom. But not in the way you think. You are the bottom in this example.

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RE: Am I in the wrong here? - 2/26/2013 9:04:33 PM   
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Wow... just wow.

Having read the rest of the thread I'll tone it down to that. Good recovery but you ought to know that in my opinion if you can even think the thought "topping from the bottom" then you aren't dominant in my book. The very thought says you're not in control of your own self. That pretty much precludes controlling anyone else beyond the whole "D/s by agreement" gig.

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RE: Am I in the wrong here? - 2/27/2013 4:13:15 AM   
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I know this is old but I fel the need to add my bit.

WRONG!

You are the sort of prat that gives the rest of us a bad name.

Just get over yourself.

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RE: Am I in the wrong here? - 2/27/2013 10:14:42 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DominusCaptiva

This a copy from the email history. It's backwards, but I'm at work and don't have the time to clean it up.

Am I wrong about this sounding like an attempt to top from the bottom? I'm asking the subs because I figure they would be better at spotting topping from the bottom in general.

Thank you,
DC

I'm a Domme, but putting in my anyway. FYI, I haven't yet read the entire thread. Also, I'm arranging the letters from beginning to end to make it easier for me to read.

quote:

ORIGINAL: DominusCaptiva
(Her:)
Well I listed my interests so not sure what else there is.

(You:):
Alright... how about, what do you feel makes you different from other women? What is your personality like? Do you have any opinions on things? I'm interested in getting to know you as more than a collection of activities and kinks.

(Her:):
I'm not different from other women.

Have to get to know someone before i open up.

No on opinions.

So far, so good.

quote:

ORIGINAL: DominusCaptiva
(You:):
I see... You want me to open up first so you have the option to reject me without putting anything of yourself on the line. Not the sort of power dynamic I'm interested in.
This is where you start to fly off the handle. You are NOT IN a power dynamic yet. You are just two equal people getting to know one another. She hasn't agreed to any D/s dynamic with you yet, so you're NOT IN one.

I am flexible on a lot of things for subs, but I don't give over authority to subs in that manner.
At this point, she is not your sub. You and she are equals. Again, just two regular people getting to know one another. Stop acting like Mr Domly Dom because, to her, you aren't yet.

I'm not desperate.
You appear to be though.

I don't need a sub so badly that I will allow one to immediately walk all over me with the "distant Dom" tactic.
Apparently, you ARE a "distant Dom." And, apparently, in her profile she doesn't want someone far away, so why did you write to her?

It is a simple social power play.
You mean like the one you are obviously using yourself?

Thank you for letting me know a little about you. Good luck in your search.
I'm sure she's found out all she wants to know and more about you at this point, too.

(Her:):
I'm not looking someone out of state.
She made a simple statement of fact, not confrontational at all.

(You:)
You could mention that sort of pertinent information in your profile, since this is a global website, rather than a local one.
Well, you can always check to see whether she checked the Willing to Relocate box or not.

(Her:):
Well if you look at my profile it doesnt have the box checked for willing to relocate.
Did you even read her profile at all? Because, if you didn't, that's your problem, not hers.

(You:):
Which is something hardly anyone checks, and most of the time people are willing to move eventually.
Assuming that most people are willing to relocate eventually, makes an ASS out of U and ME.

Also that one check box doesn't cover the possibility of the other person moving.
Your own profile doesn't have the Willing to Relocate box checked, so how would she know you were willing to relocate(if you are)?

I also note that you decided to not make a point of this until after I dismissed your power play. Mail controls can be set up if your not interested in out of state people.
I can see it now. If she did that, then you would, instead, be on here asking why women don't answer your letters. The answer would be because mail controls send them to the bulk folder.

So, what ever you need to tell yourself, honey. It is no concern of mine.
Calling her "honey" is very condescending. She is not your honey. Also, it really must be a concern of yours since you are continuing the assy behavior.

(Her:)
What are you taking about? I answered your questions then said I'm not looking a long distance relationship. Either you are a stupid fuck or just can't comprehend English... either way I dont give a shit.
I can see that you've pushed her into retaliating and telling you exactly what she thinks of the above-mentioned behavior. How's that for an opinion?

(You:)
Apparently politeness and the art of small talk has been lost in the southern subs these days. Have a good day.
How very mature. Had to have the last word, eh?


No, she was not Topping from the bottom. She was not ON the bottom as there was no D/s dynamic already in place. You, on the other hand, were just being assy.

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RE: Am I in the wrong here? - 2/27/2013 10:18:18 AM   
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WoodyNZ, Welcome to the boards!!



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RE: Am I in the wrong here? - 2/27/2013 11:34:44 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: NiceButMeanGirl
(You:):
I see... You want me to open up first so you have the option to reject me without putting anything of yourself on the line. Not the sort of power dynamic I'm interested in.
This is where you start to fly off the handle. You are NOT IN a power dynamic yet. You are just two equal people getting to know one another. She hasn't agreed to any D/s dynamic with you yet, so you're NOT IN one.

I completely agree that this is where the OP really jumps the shark. But unlike you I'm not particularly concerned that he presumed on a power dynamic that didn't exist. Sure he did... just as a jillion other dominants do all the time. I'm more concerned about the rampant insecurity. Honestly, does anyone need to question what happens when insecurity gains authority? So WHAT if she wanted him to open up first. Great! We have a path forward. Open up.... unless of course you are afraid to because you might be rejected.

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RE: Am I in the wrong here? - 2/27/2013 4:27:26 PM   
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JeffBC, I totally agree. He shows absolute insecurity with what he's saying. I can't imagine someone wanting to get involved with someone that insecure. He did ask, though, if he was in the wrong so, rather than say he was insecure I said, yeah, you flew off the handle here and this is where you start being wrong.

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RE: Am I in the wrong here? - 2/28/2013 12:01:52 AM   
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quote:

This a copy from the email history. (1) It's backwards, (2) but I'm at work (3) and don't have the time to clean it up. (4)

Am I wrong about this sounding like an attempt to top from the bottom?

(Buncha unimportant crap snipped)


No. You are correct.

You are attempting to top from the bottom.

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RE: Am I in the wrong here? - 2/28/2013 6:37:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MissKittyDeVine
Actually, OP, your reaction struck me as excessive and even aggressive. You flew off the handle with "You want me to open up first ...", which is also where you lost me. If you didn't have time to arrange your posts to make them more legible, you should have waited until you did.

She isn't your sub.

She owes you nothing.


You overreacted and made assumptions. No wonder she reacted in kind. You seemed to be in a hurry to evaluate her, rather than letting things evolve naturally. Finding a match doesn't happen that fast.
I'm not a submissive, but these words expressed what I thought of the exchange perfectly. M


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