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GotSteel -> RE: What would happen to your life if you were outed? (2/14/2013 10:20:15 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Bittersweetcoco
I know my story is a bit extreme and hard to believe. Its hard for me to believe and I actually lived it. So I ask again- Are you SURE what would happen if you were outed? I used to be sure.


Indeed, it is hard to believe. Maybe with details it would make more sense but as it is I don't know what to make of this.




Missokyst -> RE: What would happen to your life if you were outed? (2/14/2013 10:30:26 AM)

[:D] And that part was hilarious! We all cheered.

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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

The authorities already tried to out and destroy the local group.....and it failed publicly and with a lot of embarrassment for the authorities.
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The arrest of the San Diego Six in October 1999. Club X sponsored a private play party Halloween weekend and a squad of police officers from the vice unit raided it and arrested six attendees for the crimes of “public nudity” and/or “lewd conduct in public.” Rallying to their defense, Club X raised $20,000 for legal expenses and brought in attorney Andy Zmurkiewicz, who represented five of the six defendants and handled the first court trial. After the first defendant was acquitted — and the foreman of the jury told the prosecutor the trial was a “waste of time” and never should have taken place — all charges against the other five were dropped.


I live in a different political climate than you do. Members of the police department and military actively participate in the Gay Pride Parade. Outing someone involved in BDSM at this point wouldn't even raise an eyebrow.





myotherself -> RE: What would happen to your life if you were outed? (2/14/2013 11:36:37 AM)

In my previous teaching job I worked in a religious school (although I'm an atheist myself - the school was ok with that). I had to sign a morality clause which basically said if I did anything that might reflect badly on the school, I'd be gone.

I'd been there a couple of years when I briefly dated this guy I'd met on cm. He turned out to be a total psycho (scarily dangerous in a totally non-consensual way), so I dropped him so fast he ass must have burned as he fell to ground. Anyway, he managed to find out where I taught and tried to blackmail me into dating him again, or he'd 'out' me to the school.

Basically, I lied to them. I went to see my head teacher, told him I was being stalked by this guy who frightened me and who was trying to blackmail me into meeting him by threatening to tell lies to my employers. Fortunately for me, they believed me and a quick visit from the police sorted this guy out. He did actually call the school, so I found out afterwards.

Since then, I've kept my pics to myself. I'm not going through that nightmare again.




SWDesertDom -> RE: What would happen to your life if you were outed? (2/14/2013 11:45:34 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Bittersweetcoco

I honestly thought I was safe because I was not important. I was not well known, I had no clout, and I had no important or well connected friends or family members. I worked at a job that required a high school education and paid just over minimum wage. My annual income has never exceeded the 20,000 range. I. was. a. nobody. So I figured who the hell would even care about what "nobody" was doing? In fact that was the only relief I got from the story in the paper. The vast majority of mainstream people did not know who the fuck they were talking about. I think the front page thing was partially done as a message to the local D/s community. Nothing scares a group more than completely destroying one of its members in plain site.


For the record (I'm not a lawyer, this is not to be construed as official legal advice), depending on the jurisdiction you live in, you may have a valid tort (legal claim of damages) against the person who "outed" you and the publication that "outed" you. In general, under libel law, the truth is a defense against slander, however this does not apply if you are not a "public" figure. In general it is illegal to publicly disclose private facts about a person (not applicable if you are, say, some sort of celebrity or politician). You may want to contact a lawyer if this happened recently.




Spiritedsub2 -> RE: What would happen to your life if you were outed? (2/14/2013 12:13:19 PM)

This is why I don't post pictures either. Men tend to assume (judging by what they tell me in messages) that I am hiding some significant physical flaw (or my true gender!) because I don't post pictures, but there is no way I'd leave myself open to what has happened to some posters on this thread. It isn't worth the risk.




OsideGirl -> RE: What would happen to your life if you were outed? (2/14/2013 12:39:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Spiritedsub2

This is why I don't post pictures either. Men tend to assume (judging by what they tell me in messages) that I am hiding some significant physical flaw (or my true gender!) because I don't post pictures, but there is no way I'd leave myself open to what has happened to some posters on this thread. It isn't worth the risk.


In all cases posted it was done by someone that they had met in real life. Not posting a picture is not a guarantee that someone you meet won't decide to "get even". There are other methods to provide evidence that it's you without a photo.




LadyPact -> RE: What would happen to your life if you were outed? (2/14/2013 12:52:34 PM)

I admit that I used to be afraid of this. Both of My guys are military. Within the past couple of years, I did have people from this site track us down and try to make trouble. Me? I can always get another job. I haven't invested fifteen years plus in a career that I've dedicated My life to. On the other hand, it's kind of hard to fuck with somebody who's got HR experience in the private sector. [;)]

On the other side of profession, yeah, we found out exactly what would happen. Even with the UCMJ that is currently in place, we have more protection since the repeal of DADT than most people know. There are still certain things that I won't post about connecting the activity and the name. I just feel this is a smarter move.

Outting is a sickening endeavor. There were two past posters here who attempted to do so and I showed My revulsion. A person who would do that, with no conscious of the consequences, is a lowlife in My book.




Bittersweetcoco -> RE: What would happen to your life if you were outed? (2/14/2013 12:58:44 PM)

I contacted several lawyers in my area and every lawyer listed on KAP. No one would touch it. The one or two that said that they would "consider it" also said they would need thousands of dollars for retainer. (Which said to me they did not want to handle it anyway) I cannot prove the person who outed me did it since my employer and the papers were more than happy to protect him; but I am certain of who it was.




Phoenixpower -> RE: What would happen to your life if you were outed? (2/14/2013 1:08:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bittersweetcoco
Are you SURE what would happen if you were outed?


I am sure that this part would be no problem in my field....though my pictures on an escort page could be a bit tricky....when I was living in the UK I was off that page for some time as I know that (before I started my studies) a socialworker got banned from her job for 5 years for working as an escort in her private time....and I had no interest to risk my degree course on that already....now these days I am not active in that field anymore, only have my pics up there to view and as I said....that one could be a problem at my current job....however....in my current situation in life I don't see it as an issue as here is just too much work available to get into real trouble with that....on top of that those pics are quite a few years old by now, because of which I actually doubt that someone would recognise me behind it by now....

But anyhow therefore yes I can well imagine how it can shatter life for a while...

I am sorry to hear about your dreadful experience, which actually reminds me when my strongly baptist family sacked me (many years ago) for "funny" reasons....which confirmed my belief I already had back then, that the ones who keep running to church every sunday, are often the worst ones when it comes to being nice with each other and to be able to live and let others live..

edited to add:

on another note at my last employer I worked with criminal youths in a youthhome....now if they would have figured me out on this page that would have become a hell of a marathon at work and would have very likely forced me out of work with resigning....cause accepting my command (so to speak) with being on here as a submissive would have gone down with them like a firework....but these days, thankfully, I am not working there anymore, so thats not a risk anymore....and now my audience at work is way younger [:)]




Bittersweetcoco -> RE: What would happen to your life if you were outed? (2/14/2013 1:10:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: GotSteel


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ORIGINAL: Bittersweetcoco
I know my story is a bit extreme and hard to believe. Its hard for me to believe and I actually lived it. So I ask again- Are you SURE what would happen if you were outed? I used to be sure.


Indeed, it is hard to believe. Maybe with details it would make more sense but as it is I don't know what to make of this.


Its ok sweetie, I can't give any more details and you don't have to believe me. I did not write it to prove anything and honestly what happened to me (front page news?) was a million to one odds and would probably never ever happen to anyone else....EVER. I have known other people who were outed and nothing nearly this devastating happened to them. I told my story as an extreme example of what can happen if you are outed. My story is unlike any other story I have heard too. Every person's life is different and because of that every person's choice is different. You do what's best for you. Be sweet. Be safe. [:)]




Phoenixpower -> RE: What would happen to your life if you were outed? (2/14/2013 1:16:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel


quote:

ORIGINAL: Bittersweetcoco
I know my story is a bit extreme and hard to believe. Its hard for me to believe and I actually lived it. So I ask again- Are you SURE what would happen if you were outed? I used to be sure.


Indeed, it is hard to believe. Maybe with details it would make more sense but as it is I don't know what to make of this.


Actually it is not that hard to believe for me....of course things can be made up but also quite frankly there are some newspapers who love to post such unneccessary shit from a persons private life....




muhly22222 -> RE: What would happen to your life if you were outed? (2/14/2013 1:33:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SWDesertDom


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ORIGINAL: Bittersweetcoco

I honestly thought I was safe because I was not important. I was not well known, I had no clout, and I had no important or well connected friends or family members. I worked at a job that required a high school education and paid just over minimum wage. My annual income has never exceeded the 20,000 range. I. was. a. nobody. So I figured who the hell would even care about what "nobody" was doing? In fact that was the only relief I got from the story in the paper. The vast majority of mainstream people did not know who the fuck they were talking about. I think the front page thing was partially done as a message to the local D/s community. Nothing scares a group more than completely destroying one of its members in plain site.


For the record (I'm not a lawyer, this is not to be construed as official legal advice), depending on the jurisdiction you live in, you may have a valid tort (legal claim of damages) against the person who "outed" you and the publication that "outed" you. In general, under libel law, the truth is a defense against slander, however this does not apply if you are not a "public" figure. In general it is illegal to publicly disclose private facts about a person (not applicable if you are, say, some sort of celebrity or politician). You may want to contact a lawyer if this happened recently.


I am a lawyer, although I'm not offering legal advice. Defamation laws wouldn't apply here, since both the person and the publication seem to have told the truth about the OP's involvement with BDSM. However, there could be valid tort claims for an invasion of privacy and publication of private information. Your private sex life (since you were not a public figure...although they may try to claim you were if you worked for some government agency) is nobody's business, and there is no public interest in it.

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I contacted several lawyers in my area and every lawyer listed on KAP. No one would touch it. The one or two that said that they would "consider it" also said they would need thousands of dollars for retainer. (Which said to me they did not want to handle it anyway) I cannot prove the person who outed me did it since my employer and the papers were more than happy to protect him; but I am certain of who it was.


If you were in Ohio, I'd take your case (although the statute of limitations may apply, since you didn't say when it was). My retainer is a couple of thousand dollars, too, but that doesn't mean I'm not interested in taking your case. The way retainers work in my state (and, I believe, a number of other states) is that you give the attorney the retainer upfront, whatever it is. He then puts it into his trust account, and withdraws the money as he earns it. If, at the end of the case, any money is left in the trust account, that is to be refunded to you. We just do it that way to ensure that we get paid for our work; believe it or not, a lot of clients won't pay if the case doesn't go the way they want it to.

One factor that may have been involved in your retainer being so high is that it's often a long and difficult battle to sue newspapers. They think that they have special rights and privileges, when they really don't. Freedom of the press has not been held to mean anything more than the freedom of everybody else to express themselves.




seekingreality -> RE: What would happen to your life if you were outed? (2/14/2013 1:39:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SWDesertDom


For the record (I'm not a lawyer, this is not to be construed as official legal advice), depending on the jurisdiction you live in, you may have a valid tort (legal claim of damages) against the person who "outed" you and the publication that "outed" you. In general, under libel law, the truth is a defense against slander, however this does not apply if you are not a "public" figure. In general it is illegal to publicly disclose private facts about a person (not applicable if you are, say, some sort of celebrity or politician). You may want to contact a lawyer if this happened recently.


In most states, you can sue a newspaper for printing private facts. However, newspapers are protected if the information is newsworthy or if the information has already been exposed to the public eye. My guess is if the information originally stemmed from a profile on a public Internet site like collarme it would be considered to be in the public eye. Also, the courts would probably accept that an article about BDSM activity in the local area was newsworthy enough to give them the legal right to use the information. At the very least, it would be a difficult legal case to win, and I doubt many lawyers would have it on contingency since the likelihood of success seems very small.




LafayetteLady -> RE: What would happen to your life if you were outed? (2/14/2013 2:02:15 PM)

Thanks for saving me the typing.

Just an FYI, I've never known any attorney or firm that doesn't require a retainer, to the exclusion of Plaintiff personal injury cases. Everything else requires a retainer, typically.




LadyPact -> RE: What would happen to your life if you were outed? (2/14/2013 2:11:49 PM)

Unfortunately, I'm terribly lacking in employment law in North Dakota. True, those states that are "at will" are more difficult to fight these things but there are certain advantages that can be had.

From what I see here, you're kind of fucked. You can't necessarily prove the link between your private life and your dismissal. Take My word for this. Most employees think they are stellar workers, but any good HR person has logged everything you have ever done wrong at your job. Rumor isn't enough. You have to prove that you were never late, never called in, never made even the smallest mistake. To win these kinds of cases in at will states, you'd better shit roses and your farts can't ever stink.

My advice to you is to get your resume together. Employee protection law says that your prior employer can only speak about dates you were with the company and other incidentals. From what I see on this thread, it's your best move.




tj444 -> RE: What would happen to your life if you were outed? (2/14/2013 2:52:53 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Bittersweetcoco
what would happen if you were outed?


With me, since I work for myself, pretty much nothing.. If I did lose a few people that didnt want to deal with me then no big loss imo.. why would I want to deal with them if they were judgmental like that? meh,.. and there is always someone else willing to take their place and deal with me (in this city, across the US or from other countries).. my profile is pretty vanilla anyhow.. not really much for anyone to make a big fuss about.. but if someone tried to tell me how to live my life, I would just laugh at them cuz I have always lived as I wanted to, even when I was a kid..

Where I am originally from, there is no "employment at will", there you need a dam good reason (related to the persons work) to fire someone and being on a bdsm site doesnt qualify as a good reason, especially since it has nothing to do with the job/work.. And since most people there are "live and let live", its doubtfully any article would be written about your activities in the first place.. How people are treated here in the US is rather disturbing to me.. I guess Americans are used to it tho cuz thats all many/most have known, you cant really miss what you never had..




UnholyBear -> RE: What would happen to your life if you were outed? (2/14/2013 3:48:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Bittersweetcoco


What would really happen in your life if you were outed? Do you know? Are you sure?




Actually nothing too life changing. Probably the worse that could happen is I 'd have a few family members asking questions and even then, they'd know I wouldn't be very forthcoming regarding anything that deals with my personal life. Most of my friends here both vanilla and kink friendly wouldn't bat much of an eye especially since I I really haven't hidden the fact that I have non mainstream tastes; so to speak. I am already out as a gay male and also with my volunteer work for the local HIV agency, some fundraiser events there have been media and my photo has been published. Coupled with the fact that a few years ago at a gay pride march, someone posted a YouTube video in in the last 30 secs I am clearly sen walking among my fellow LGBT peers.

I am lucky enough that I am semi retired and only need to work part time and simply to be busy and active. Even then, if I lost my part time employment, it wouldn't affect my income as I am also a landlord and the income from the tenant nicely supplements my investment income. So in all reality, the worse case scenario is facing embarrassment which I can deal with.




Pyramus -> RE: What would happen to your life if you were outed? (2/14/2013 5:37:01 PM)

I'm sure there are people important enough to write a story about were they to be kinky - but - for most of we proletariat - nobody would care.




Missokyst -> RE: What would happen to your life if you were outed? (2/14/2013 7:08:42 PM)

*FR*
not sure what I would do. As it is for years if people said the name andei they knew where I was from. I didn't get a lot of visual recognition until I started attending more public events, but I have been out of the limelight for a while now so it might not mean anything if I were outed. I work for myself, more or less, so being fired wouldn't be an issue. I do go into the homes of strangers so it is conceivable they might peg me as kinked from somewhere and then who knows what might happen. This thread has made me think of it though, mostly because I am considering putting a regular pic up on the otherside for a bit. I am getting tired of living a non life and really want a new partner. But.. putting a pic up is a huge step. lol pity too, cause I have one that was all ready and then I saw this thread. I don't think I am ready to be outed.




Winterapple -> RE: What would happen to your life if you were outed? (2/14/2013 8:47:04 PM)

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