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Hypnosis, Psychology and NLP in D/s relationships. - 2/14/2013 7:08:22 AM

MissAnnabelGrace

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Hello all,
I was wondering what peoples views were on the use of Hypnosis and NLP in a D/s relationship. When I came on the scene there was a whole host of 'Hypnosis' that wasn't Hypnosis at all. Having studied the mentioned fields for ten years I've found my subs and slaves get a real kick (or get terrified) when I bring these tools into the relationship. They add a whole new dimension to the relationship and add a layer of psychological domination that is extremely effective and fun when used correctly.

What are your experiences and views? Please share as I'm intrigued.

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RE: Hypnosis, Psychology and NLP in D/s relationships. - 2/14/2013 8:52:04 AM

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Definitely the extreme. Can create the depths and heights of every emotion. Good and bad. RIght Dom/Domme of the highest caliber and intentions, can teach self control in a great many of ways. It can take a strong Dom under the influence and make them a humble servant. Its real and its powerful. SO PROCEED WITH CAUTION, not recommended for the feeble minded. LOL.

Beautiful classy photos Miss Grace.

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RE: Hypnosis, Psychology and NLP in D/s relationships. - 2/14/2013 9:08:51 AM

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I always warn people that hypnosis is something that needs to be handled with care and done by someone who has the gone through extensive training.

If you've been doing this for 10 years, I'm sure you're aware of the pitfalls of brushing up against something unexpected or using incorrect wording. I would consider that as RACK, and as long as everyone consents, it's all good.

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RE: Hypnosis, Psychology and NLP in D/s relationships. - 2/14/2013 9:13:26 AM

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I've never done any sort of hypnosis.

For a simple, beginner session, what would your goals be?

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RE: Hypnosis, Psychology and NLP in D/s relationships. - 2/14/2013 9:15:34 AM

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I've found that most of what's out there is either erotic fiction, fantasy, or very low quality induction MP3's. It's mostly a joke.

I've met few people who actually have the knowledge/skill to use hypnosis as an effective tool in their BDSM arsenal. But if you're such an individual, then kudos to you. That definitely separates you from 99% of the folks out there.

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RE: Hypnosis, Psychology and NLP in D/s relationships. - 2/14/2013 10:09:16 AM

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I agree, alot of it is a bunch of hooplah, based on trickery, deceit, lies, and it takes just one time to figure out its crap and it becomes laughable.
But for the 1% who actually have this ability, it is purely amazing. In the right hands its a beautiful gift to the reciever, but in the wrong hands, it is like opening a pandora box of destruction. Either way your gonna go through some pain, but in the right you will come out better once you reach the peak of self control, the other you will be ruined, there is no benefit....it translates to the power is sucked right out of you and stolen by that individual.

Little bit like Russian Roulette.

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RE: Hypnosis, Psychology and NLP in D/s relationships. - 2/14/2013 10:39:41 AM

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Interesting and insightful replies!

I agree, a lot of it is Hooplah! Role play and the likes.

For a beginner, just entering the basic level of trance is good! You can learn to do this yourself, just lie down, breathe deeply, pick a point on the ceiling and concentrate. You'll notice after some practice that your vision almost fades away.

I do know the pitfalls of it falling into the wrong hands. When I first discovered the basics ten years ago (it's actually a little longer come to think of it...yikes) I ran some trials with willing participants. I remember getting one line wrong, and, instead of saying 'The bugs are on your head, tickling you' I accidentally said 'The bugs are in your head....' a different outcome totally. Thankfully, I had gained the knowledge to quickly undo what had been done! I also ran some trials way back then, one of which I remember was a mistake and ethically questionable, I had the participants enter a trance state and removed the ones that could only reach a low level of trance based on the Mc Masters scale. The ones that were left then endured 'A wall which separated them from their worst fears' I then continued to break down the wall brick by brick. It terrified them, but thankfully, nothing that a reversal couldn't quickly resolve, I guess you have to be young and stupid in order to get old and wise!

Some of what I create is based on what the Subs/Slaves desire, but, once in a while I create something I'm really proud of. One of my most recent creations was based on the idea of a God/Goddess and the sudden realization that you have always been loved unconditionally, the basic principle of any religious conversion. What participants didn't realise is that I anchored the chord of D minor to this feeling, along with some anchored words. I created a subsequent trigger file, and, at the time, there was a TV ad that had sunshine in D Minor played. In the trigger file I used some of the images from the ad covertly, the same song and fired the trigger words at them. Consequently, when ever the ad plays, I pop into the mind of whoever had listened, and they don't know why...but it generates feelings of love and adoration so it's all good!

I have to say though, suggestion, language patterns and NLP are my favourite tools. I've had some very very satisfying D/s sessions on the account of both parties using these tools.

Edit: I thought I'd share the 'Trigger' file, it's generally not in the public domain as the link comes with a paid file. It won't have any effect at all as it requires the initial hypnosis file, but figured I'd share a tiny taste of my work! I hope you enjoy it! Trigger file

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RE: Hypnosis, Psychology and NLP in D/s relationships. - 2/14/2013 12:30:19 PM

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NLP is a subject that has fascinated me for several years. However, I have not found many reliable or easily understood resources online. Most assume a working knowledge of the topic or are highly technical. MissAnnabelGrace, are there any books you would recommend to a beginner who wants to learn more about this topic? I prefer books to websites since I can bookmark various sections and refer back to them more easily as I read.

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RE: Hypnosis, Psychology and NLP in D/s relationships. - 2/14/2013 12:36:09 PM

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Tony Robbins is a good example of NLP.

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RE: Hypnosis, Psychology and NLP in D/s relationships. - 2/14/2013 12:38:59 PM

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NLP is a subject that has fascinated me for several years. However, I have not found many reliable or easily understood resources online. Most assume a working knowledge of the topic or are highly technical. MissAnnabelGrace, are there any books you would recommend to a beginner who wants to learn more about this topic? I prefer books to websites since I can bookmark various sections and refer back to them more easily as I read.

Books are also what I prefer! If you go to any of those 'NLP courses' It's like a sales seminar, and, many are a complete waste of time.

I suggest the works of Richard Bandler, but, only if you have a good understanding of basic Psychology in the first place. Derren Brown is also fascinating to watch and learn from, however, he is often VERY misleading as to his methods, of which, very few involve NLP, but when they do, it's magical(It's taken me years to figure out about 60% of what he does). Basic body language books and anything on social engineering also helps you grasp a good understanding of the concepts and how to use them.

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RE: Hypnosis, Psychology and NLP in D/s relationships. - 2/14/2013 12:39:44 PM

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I know who Tony is but I haven't read his work. Do his books explain how to do NLP on others? I thought they were geared toward self-help without necessarily explaining the techniques. I admit this could easily be an incorrect impression.

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RE: Hypnosis, Psychology and NLP in D/s relationships. - 2/14/2013 2:58:43 PM

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Being as NLP was co-created by Bandler, he is the best place to start (I very proudly have one of his fellow professors from UCLA who helped with the original research in my stable). He also breaks it up into the various stages and techniques. Start with a technique known as 'Anchoring', it's very effective if you know how to build rapport. Tony Robbins does teach technique, and self help, it's ultimately how you interpret the technique and use it. :)

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RE: Hypnosis, Psychology and NLP in D/s relationships. - 2/15/2013 8:19:40 AM

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NLP began in the 70s but has been steadily downgraded since then since it's pretty much been proved to be a pseudo-science.

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RE: Hypnosis, Psychology and NLP in D/s relationships. - 2/15/2013 9:07:50 AM

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Like a lot of stuff in BDSM, mind control often means mind control play, as opposed to in depth experimentation, I often note the same thing about "training", and mind control is another form or training - the idea of it can be a real turn on, in praxis, it raises questions about the line, i.e., the line between good dirty fun and abuse which is, of course, different for everybody - it's hypothetically removing your last vestiges of self control, so it can be very scary stuff for the subject if they haven't been trained from birth more or less, i.e., religious indoctrination, etc.

When it comes to BDSM, probably one of the more valid applications of mind control is overcoming all the neurosis, distortions, and inhibitions that culture lays on people that prevent them from forming healthy adult sexual relationships, it's a system of social control that churns out a lot of sexual/emotional cripples, even if they are otherwise socially functional.

i.e., there is sex as a reproductive act (utilitarianism), and there is sex as a social act (political-economy)and then there's just Sex: anoetic, Dionysian, the zipless fuck, without thought or remorse.

i.e., the last thing you really want to be doing when you're having sex, is thinking about sex, or anything really, ideally, all the risks that can be contained have been, all the potential externalities accounted for and dealt with or at least put on the back burner, and you can just cut loose - D/S offers ways to make you, uh, stop talking - or thinking - or doing anything but gettin' your freak on - "gettin' into your hindbrain", as one Domme put it.

But it's constant cycle between the Dionysian and the Apollonian, you can't be having sex all the time, a constant conversion of energy from one to the other, and NLP for example can be a useful tool for assimilating raw, often traumatic or borderline traumatic experience and turning it into something manageable, contextualization.

Properly done I think, in the end, you can give the subject more and better tools to deal with their own internal states and uncertainties about sex or anything else, than the converse, i.e., just eradicating or submerging all inhibitions - a lot of them are there for good reasons, and they are sensible in context, culture often just takes opportunistic advantage of that to trick fuck you with all their little mind control games.

In some ways we are confined by language, it's harder to relate to or describe a thing when you have no words for it, or the words you have are all loaded with political/economic baggage, which is definitely the case when it comes to sex.

But the Pentagon has probably spent billions on mind control research, every ad agency and right wing think tank in the world right now is paying PhD's to figure out ways to control what you buy, and where you buy it, who you vote for, who you listen to, etc., etc. Mind control is all around you, and if you can't control your own mind, somebody else is just waiting to control it for you.

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RE: Hypnosis, Psychology and NLP in D/s relationships. - 2/15/2013 9:23:11 AM

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There are a lot of people in the "You need a lifetime of therapy to fix your problems" community that have called NLP a "pseudo-science" from the beginning, but you can't argue with the results. Nor can you argue with the fact that you can't hardly turn on a tv commercial or political speech without being bombarded with embedded commands and attempts to install anchors. NLP also gave us language to understand and quantify things that pursuasive people have been doing since the dawn of time, such as mirroring and matching.

I'd agree that there's a lot of sales training oriented NLP courses out there, because people in the pursuasion industries are among the ones taking this technology the most seriously as it isn't to our advantage to put someone on the couch and get them to yap endlessly about their childhoods for years on end at 3 figures an hour. NLP is both practical and powerful, and it works. I believe that we're rapidly coming to the point where scientific pursuasion skills are like guns and lawyers: people that don't have these tools will always be at the mercy of those who don't. For those looking for an introduction to the technology and personal experience in how well it can work, I would recommend the Tony Robbins books and courses such as Unlimited Power and Awaken the Giant Within. Learn your own mind, work your own miracles in your own life. Become the kind of person that is worthy of being modeled and working with others, even if we're "just" talking about being a better dominant.

But back to the point of the thread, if you want to take her from "I have a difficult time coming to orgasm" to "please don't trigger me to a screaming orgasm in front of all these people", NLP can definitely do that for you.

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RE: Hypnosis, Psychology and NLP in D/s relationships. - 2/15/2013 1:41:14 PM

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Edit: I thought I'd share the 'Trigger' file, it's generally not in the public domain as the link comes with a paid file. It won't have any effect at all as it requires the initial hypnosis file, but figured I'd share a tiny taste of my work! I hope you enjoy it! Trigger file

Heh. I could imagine that working. Did you have trouble keeping a straight face while doing it?

The funny thing about the whole subject of hypnotism, it seems to me, is that it's so damned irrational. It doesn't make sense. I know a professional hypnotist in Bath who works mostly with smokers. His standard line with those who believe that they can't be hypnotised is 'Just pretend to be hypnotised, then' . . . and that generally works.

However, being a submissive doesn't make sense to me, either. I would certainly go along with a femdom partner's experiment to try it with me. I think I'd find it absolutely fascinating.

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RE: Hypnosis, Psychology and NLP in D/s relationships. - 2/15/2013 6:09:55 PM

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quote:

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Edit: I thought I'd share the 'Trigger' file, it's generally not in the public domain as the link comes with a paid file. It won't have any effect at all as it requires the initial hypnosis file, but figured I'd share a tiny taste of my work! I hope you enjoy it! Trigger file

Heh. I could imagine that working. Did you have trouble keeping a straight face while doing it?

The funny thing about the whole subject of hypnotism, it seems to me, is that it's so damned irrational. It doesn't make sense. I know a professional hypnotist in Bath who works mostly with smokers. His standard line with those who believe that they can't be hypnotised is 'Just pretend to be hypnotised, then' . . . and that generally works.

However, being a submissive doesn't make sense to me, either. I would certainly go along with a femdom partner's experiment to try it with me. I think I'd find it absolutely fascinating.

I'll get to the Pseudo Science part tomorrow. Onto Peon, the reason he would say 'Pretend to be hypnotized' is to remove the fear of not being hypnotized as the fear is counter active. When people come to me and say 'Can I be hypnotized?' I mention anyone with an IQ over 50 can, the person wants to have an IQ over 50, or knows they have an IQ over 50, either way they relax, assume it will work and that's key! I didn't have trouble keeping a straight face thankfully as it's all super slow mo so in reality is about 30 seconds of footage :) I had trouble keeping my eyes open though due to the fan in my face!

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RE: Hypnosis, Psychology and NLP in D/s relationships. - 2/16/2013 2:28:42 AM

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I learned hypnosis as a teen and certified in my 20s. Since then I've worked as a clinical hypnotherapist and developed a ton of cool stuff for therapy and erotic hypnosis. I'm only saying this because it has taken me a long time to get skills and techniques to really have fun with hypnosis and I've seen it do some amazing things.

But there are lots of guys about who learn a few things and then mess with other guys and it is so easy to do real harm.

If you know what you are doing you can do crazy things to a guy and then wipe his memory of it. This is not the kind of power you want to give over to a stranger you don't trust.

But if you find someone you can work with over time I don't think anything beats it. My favourite thing is robotic suits I think.

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RE: Hypnosis, Psychology and NLP in D/s relationships. - 2/16/2013 5:54:58 AM

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Sorry homohypno

You can't wipe someone's memory. Not unless it's paired with drugs and some extremely invasive interventions. And even then it's questionable at best.

You won't find any hard data to support your claim. You may find people who will say they forget. But let's see them say that while taking a lie detector test, and let's be sure they haven't had any biofeedback training too.

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RE: Hypnosis, Psychology and NLP in D/s relationships. - 2/16/2013 7:45:24 AM

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