UllrsIshtar
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Late to the thread but:
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ORIGINAL: Dyfrynt
Surely we can agree that someone choosing to be a partner in a BDSM relationship has no similarity to someone who is abducted, forced into some form of servitude, has no choice but to do as they are told, and lives at the whim of their owner. That is the only point I was attempting, however ineffectually, to make.
Of course we can agree that being abducted isn't the same thing as being in a consensual relationships.
What we can't agree on, however, is the bolded part, that states that an abducted person necessarily has no choice.
When somebody is told "do what I say or I'll shoot you in the head", or told "do what I say or I'll divorce you", or "do what I say or this relationship ends" or "do what I say or I'll punish you by making your write lines", or "do what I say or I'll report you to the cops for something criminal I know you did", the only thing that changes in the scenarios is the consequences of the choices listed.
All these options, choices and consequences, and the subsequent ease at which people perceive there to be a choice change depending on what exactly the order is.
If the order is "set the table, or ...", most people, in most in the above listed scenarios would comply and just set the table, with the exception of some.
If the order is "blow me, or ...", lots of people in the most of the above scenarios would comply and give the blow job, with the exception of some.
If the order is "kill an innocent stranger, or ...", most people would suddenly no longer comply, and instead elect to, with the possible exception of the person who's got their own life threatened, and the person being blackmailed.
If the order is "torture your own close family member to death, or ..." suddenly even the person who's blackmailed, and the person with the gun against their own head, will start to consider the "or ..." an often more viable option than to comply with what is ordered.
None of the scenarios actually are one where the subject has no choice at all. It's just a matter of, in some scenarios the consequences of the listed choices are preferable to other stated consequences, while in other scenarios both options suck.
The fact that both options may or may not suck, doesn't alter the fact that there IS a choice in all of them though.
The difference between a nonconsensual and a consensual slave isn't the lack of choice, it's the difference in consequences you can enforce to a lack of obedience, and the subsequent easy at which you can make them feel like they don't have a choice.
The only way that the ability to choose can be taken away is if the subject themselves believe there is no choice, because on of the consequences is so grave -from their perspective- that it's inconceivable to them that they would elect to choose it.
That's also exactly what internal enslavement sets out to accomplish: to make the option to leave the relationships seem so inconceivable that one would choose to elect it that it seems to the subject that there is no choice at all, other than to do as they where told.
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I am the dirt you created
I am your sinner
And your whore
But let me tell you something baby
You love me for everything you hate me for
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