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JeffBC -> RE: Why A Slave? (6/4/2013 8:57:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 I can definitely see Carol walking away if she feels you are toxic to her, so I don't consider her weak-willed. Consider this. Right now if I handed her a gun she'd point it at her head and pull the trigger on command. Now are you so sure that she would walk if it became toxic? Personally, I think you're mistaking the generally upbeat and positive feel of our marriage with "weak control".

Aswad -> RE: Why A Slave? (6/4/2013 8:58:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: littlewonder I swear he's back! He has to be! Less plausible claims have been put forth... some of them in this very thread. IWYW, — Aswad.

UllrsIshtar -> RE: Why A Slave? (6/4/2013 8:58:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 I don't base it on my personal preference. I based it on happiness "index" of the sub. If this girl was sharing me what her master does and how much she love giving up all that control and being forced to do all those stuffs. I'd be happy for her. Then she's not a victim. I mean, how can being unhappy in a relationship be healthy? I was in a relationship like what you're describing, what tazzy is describing, and what Jeff is describing. I was unhappy in it. I got out because he let go of me, just like tazzy got out because her owner let go of her. Are you saying that my relationship was abusive, and that I'm a victim? Because I would take serious offense at that. Hell, my parents have been married for 28 years, most of that unhappy. They're still together because they still have fairly young children at home. Are you saying my parents are abusive/victims?

tazzygirl -> RE: Why A Slave? (6/4/2013 9:06:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aswad quote: ORIGINAL: littlewonder I swear he's back! He has to be! Less plausible claims have been put forth... some of them in this very thread. IWYW, — Aswad. [sm=rofl.gif]

tazzygirl -> RE: Why A Slave? (6/4/2013 9:12:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: littlewonder I swear he's back! He has to be! getting that feeling too? Im not even saying he in on this thread. But after the last couple, at least his made more sense.

Greta75 -> RE: Why A Slave? (6/4/2013 9:13:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar I was unhappy in it. In a relationship where there is power play, your dom obviously cared enough about your welfare to let you go, the fact that you were unhappy. So no, I wouldn't say his abusive. quote: Hell, my parents have been married for 28 years, most of that unhappy. They're still together because they still have fairly young children at home. Are you saying my parents are abusive/victims? Vanilla marriages, staying together for the sake of the kids is not the same. I don't agree with staying together for the kids, for the record, but I understand people really believe that a unbroken family is important to their children's mental health and have made the choice to make that sacrifice with their lives. It's a whole different matter.

Greta75 -> RE: Why A Slave? (6/4/2013 9:16:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JeffBC Right now if I handed her a gun she'd point it at her head and pull the trigger on command. Now are you so sure that she would walk if it became toxic? She knows you will never do that. And even this sharing thing, you said you would share, but I don't think you'll ever do it. The not finding a man you can trust enough to handle her will always be the reason you will never do it.

UllrsIshtar -> RE: Why A Slave? (6/4/2013 9:16:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar I was unhappy in it. In a relationship where there is power play, your dom obviously cared enough about your welfare to let you go, the fact that you were unhappy. So no, I wouldn't say his abusive. What would lead you to that conclusion? He didn't want to let me go at first, he resisted the whole idea from the moment I brought it up for months. He let me go because he cared enough about his wife's feelings to make that call. My, you like drawing totally un-based conclusions, don't you? quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar Hell, my parents have been married for 28 years, most of that unhappy. They're still together because they still have fairly young children at home. Are you saying my parents are abusive/victims? Vanilla marriages, staying together for the sake of the kids is not the same. I don't agree with staying together for the kids, for the record, but I understand people really believe that a unbroken family is important to their children's mental health and have made the choice to make that sacrifice with their lives. It's a whole different matter. So one type of unhappy relationship is ok, but another is not? Where is the cutoff point that defines the difference?

tazzygirl -> RE: Why A Slave? (6/4/2013 9:17:31 PM)
quote: In a relationship where there is power play, your dom obviously cared enough about your welfare to let you go, the fact that you were unhappy. So no, I wouldn't say his abusive. Ok, lets try it this way. Not every relationship will have completely happy moments. Not every relationship will be filled with love and sunshine every moment of the day. There will be bad times, there will be unhappy moments. And then there are girls who have expectations that are not being fulfilled. And I am saying... her situation isnt bad enough to force her to leave to make it on her own without his assistance. If it was, she would already be gone.

Greta75 -> RE: Why A Slave? (6/4/2013 9:18:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aswad How long have you been 'monitoring' this sub? No chance, not with her master controlling everything.

littlewonder -> RE: Why A Slave? (6/4/2013 9:19:14 PM)
ssoooo basically you have only talked to her maybe 3 times or so?

Greta75 -> RE: Why A Slave? (6/4/2013 9:20:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl And I am saying... her situation isnt bad enough to force her to leave to make it on her own without his assistance. If it was, she would already be gone. Again, there is the issue of being brain-fucked into crushing her self-esteem and feeling completely defiled. She was ashamed of herself and felt like there is no redemption after all the things he made her do. You know, if everybody could just leave when situations gets too bad, there would be no suicides in this world. Of course suicide is a form of leaving, if you want to count that in.

tazzygirl -> RE: Why A Slave? (6/4/2013 9:22:08 PM)
Of course it is, and an option also left up to her. There is something there, keeping the girl in the situation, and its not him.

Greta75 -> RE: Why A Slave? (6/4/2013 9:23:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: littlewonder ssoooo basically you have only talked to her maybe 3 times or so? Little Wonder, you are talking as IF it's within my control how much I wanna talk to her? That's not within my control, she was talking to me with her dom's profile. It was her dom who approached me and chat me up first. He chatted with me for a few days, then asked if I could chat a little bit with his sub. Then his sub came on, he said he was going out to work, and we had a long conversation, after that, even though I tried contacting him, no response anymore. Tell me if she was real victim, how is she suppose to talk to me more than 3 times?

Greta75 -> RE: Why A Slave? (6/4/2013 9:25:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Of course it is, and an option also left up to her. There is something there, keeping the girl in the situation, and its not him. maybe she has taken the suicide route in the end, I would never know.

littlewonder -> RE: Why A Slave? (6/4/2013 9:28:34 PM)
eeerrr....the same way she did before? Getting online and pretending to be two different people when in reality it's a lonely, desperate, man or a teenage boy.

Greta75 -> RE: Why A Slave? (6/4/2013 9:29:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar So one type of unhappy relationship is ok, but another is not? Forgive me UllrsIshtar, I feel like we are arguing about the obvious. But let's put it this way. Vanilla parents, stay unhappy together with the misguided belief that, this is what is necessary for the healthiest development of their children. Compare to, sub feels she can't leave dom because she doesn't know how to survive without him, because his training of her is to exactly make her think that of herself. Now which is positive intentions? And which is negative intentions? To me the fact that your dom and tazzy dom was letting both of you go, tells me he wasn't training you both to be helpless. On top of that, your dom wasn't using you to make money too. It would be in her dom's best interest to keep her for as long as she's useful in that direction.

littlewonder -> RE: Why A Slave? (6/4/2013 9:30:07 PM)
the only person who makes you helpless is yourself.

UllrsIshtar -> RE: Why A Slave? (6/4/2013 9:30:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl And I am saying... her situation isnt bad enough to force her to leave to make it on her own without his assistance. If it was, she would already be gone. Again, there is the issue of being brain-fucked into crushing her self-esteem and feeling completely defiled. She was ashamed of herself and felt like there is no redemption after all the things he made her do. You know, if everybody could just leave when situations gets too bad, there would be no suicides in this world. Of course suicide is a form of leaving, if you want to count that in. You know, when I was in the M/s relationship I used to be in, my owner let me sometimes vent online to another girl I liked to talk to. I usually talked to her when I was going through a particularly rough time, and filled with doubt, because that's when my owner used to allow me the most time to waste online to blow of steam. She didn't understand at all, and repeatedly tried to convince me that he was a sociopathic abusive asshole trying to brainwash me in a bad way, and destroy my self-esteem, and that I should leave him. If she would have gone online to tell others about it, she would have come out with much of the same kind of story you're telling now. All the while, I was trying to explain to her that the problem with the relationship, from my perspective, was that he wasn't being enough of all the things she claimed where bad about him. I ended up leaving him because of him not being enough of exactly what she said the problems where (his work schedule ended up changing unexpected, causing him to have far less time than he previously did to be the "sociopathic abusive asshole trying to brainwash me in a bad way" she always claimed he was, causing me to feel abandoned and making me desire to leave). Seriously, as resistant you've been on this thread about acknowledging internal enslavement mechanisms, I bet that most all of the claims that you're putting on this guy are your own projections on their relationship, and that, if the story is true, her actual main gripe is him not being mind-controling enough.

Greta75 -> RE: Why A Slave? (6/4/2013 9:34:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: littlewonder eeerrr....the same way she did before? Getting online and pretending to be two different people when in reality it's a lonely, desperate, man or a teenage boy. Whether she is real or not, I can never prove it to you, so we are arguing about something that cannot be proven. But I believe she is real based on my own judgement and interaction with her. Her descriptions were vivid, and I didn't see any inconsistency on anything she says. Her description of her dom was also consistent with my impression of her dom, when he interacted with me, before I even spoke to her. And unfortunately, you weren't privy to the conversation, so you can't gauge and of course you don't know me well enough to trust my judgement. So we can agree to disagree.

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