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RE: Why A Slave? - 6/4/2013 9:34:43 PM   
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She knows you will never do that.

Which is exactly why she would pull the trigger, eh?

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And even this sharing thing, you said you would share, but I don't think you'll ever do it. The not finding a man you can trust enough to handle her will always be the reason you will never do it.

The future is uncertain but I'm here to tell you that as soon as I'm a bit less busy it's my plan to make it happen -- not sex but she's going to find herself the bottom and at least partly nude to a badass sadist -- and she will feel about it what I TELL her to feel about it.

So, you've put your bet down. I'm willing to cover it. Shall we see?

Out of curiosity, how do you know people so well who are from a different culture and you've never met?


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RE: Why A Slave? - 6/4/2013 9:35:37 PM   
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RE: Why A Slave? - 6/4/2013 9:37:54 PM   
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from my perspective, was that he wasn't being enough of all the things she claimed where bad about him.

Hhahahahahaha....

I STRONGLY suggest you don't tell Greta about your current abusive husband.


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RE: Why A Slave? - 6/4/2013 9:37:59 PM   
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You know, when I was in the M/s relationship I used to be in, my owner let me sometimes vent online to another girl I liked to talk to.

I usually talked to her when I was going through a particularly rough time, and filled with doubt, because that's when my owner used to allow me the most time to waste online to blow of steam.

She didn't understand at all, and repeatedly tried to convince me that he was a sociopathic abusive asshole trying to brainwash me in a bad way, and destroy my self-esteem, and that I should leave him. If she would have gone online to tell others about it, she would have come out with much of the same kind of story you're telling now.

All the while, I was trying to explain to her that the problem with the relationship, from my perspective, was that he wasn't being enough of all the things she claimed where bad about him.


Yes, but this girl was talking about how her life is over, she's so disgusted with herself for all the things he made her do, she feels like a worthless piece of shit, and she don't know how will she ever face the world after all the things he made her do. That is totally different from your scenario. She said she regrets hooking up with him but don't know how to leave. I felt her anguish and her helplessness but didn't know how to help her change her perception of herself that she has power to change her situation. She also said her family will never accept her back again, ever, she lost contact with all her friends because he forbids any re-occurring friendship.
It's so different from what you are saying. If you told me you'd like him to meaner and harder, then it's not abuse.

< Message edited by Greta75 -- 6/4/2013 9:41:06 PM >

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RE: Why A Slave? - 6/4/2013 9:43:28 PM   
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Out of curiosity, how do you know people so well who are from a different culture and you've never met?

Who are you referring to that I know so well?

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RE: Why A Slave? - 6/4/2013 9:50:20 PM   
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The future is uncertain but I'm here to tell you that as soon as I'm a bit less busy it's my plan to make it happen -- not sex but she's going to find herself the bottom and at least partly nude to a badass sadist -- and she will feel about it what I TELL her to feel about it.



Hey if you ever need a female top for the same type of thing... you know where to find me.

< Message edited by UllrsIshtar -- 6/4/2013 9:56:05 PM >

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RE: Why A Slave? - 6/4/2013 9:50:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		And all this started because you said he "must have been gorean" because he shared his woman. You may not know this, but you have been interacting with a gorean man on this thread. Ishtar is possibly considered one of the most well informed posters on gorean knowledge.

As far as the girl, if she is real, she may be too far gone. Abusive men come in all walks, from all regions. If you take a look in the "Alternative Lifestyle in the News" section, you will see it filled with all sorts of people who claim the moniker of BDSM. Yet, reading some of the stories, you quickly realize its a mask for abuse.

Be careful who you label here... be even more careful of what you label them. What may be abusive in your eyes, may not be in others. I dont find a man who takes control of my life as abusive. My saving grace, because, yes, I have been abused, is that I have a society behind me, a way out, one I dont have to think about, and one I take for granted at times. Someone from your area needs to be even more careful. Surely she knew the possibilities of the outcomes of her situation.

I could go on abotu how it could have been him all along that you were speaking too, and that there was no woman there, and how he was trying to gauge your reactions to situations... wank fodder.

Or how she was real, and the man was made up, and she was looking for simply sympathy.

Or how she exaggerated her situation for sympathy at a time when she felt low.

Or how she could have felt it was funny to dupe someone on line.

I dont know the reasons behind the situation. And neither do you. All you know is what you were told. How much of what you were told is true or not, is only speculation.

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RE: Why A Slave? - 6/4/2013 9:53:57 PM   
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Yes, but this girl was talking about how her life is over, she's so disgusted with herself for all the things he made her do, she feels like a worthless piece of shit, and she don't know how will she ever face the world after all the things he made her do. That is totally different from your scenario. She said she regrets hooking up with him but don't know how to leave. I felt her anguish and her helplessness but didn't know how to help her change her perception of herself that she has power to change her situation. She also said her family will never accept her back again, ever, she lost contact with all her friends because he forbids any re-occurring friendship.
It's so different from what you are saying. If you told me you'd like him to meaner and harder, then it's not abuse.


Yes, check, check, check, check, check and check with all the things I told my friend about how I was feeling. Are you sure you ain't Bella and we haven't talked a couple years ago?

What she took away from that is "he's bad for her" what I was saying is "he's being bad at the mind control thing, cause I'm feeling bad instead of happy to be allowed to do this stuff for him". Hell, half the time I told her I was deliriously happy at him being good at the mind control thing that day/week/month. But then again, we talked a lot spread out over two years or so. Has she gotten me in a bad week, she would have walked away with nothing but "I'm unhappy".

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RE: Why A Slave? - 6/4/2013 9:55:23 PM   
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To me the fact that your dom and tazzy dom was letting both of you go, tells me he wasn't training you both to be helpless. On top of that, your dom wasn't using you to make money too. It would be in her dom's best interest to keep her for as long as she's useful in that direction.


Again with the fucking assumptions.

How do you know he wasn't using me to make money? I can assure you that had it been in his legal possibilities to do so, he would have considered it. Forced sexual contact with people with whom I desired no such contact what so ever was always part of expected service from me. He never even cared enough to ask whether or not I actually enjoyed it or not -which I didn't- so it absolutely wasn't a case of "because she gets off on it".
Aside from not profiting directly monetarily of me, he always intended to profit of me. He has a hired employee now to cover the work I'm not there to do.

As far as letting me go goes, I already told you, he did that out of consideration for his wife, not for me. And part of the training was very much focussed on me becoming helpless. I was cutoff from my family, my friends, any support system. I moved to a strange country to be with him, an ocean away from anything familiar to me. He had control over my entire life savings, and I was legally prohibited from making money in the country I moved to. By the time I moved out, I didn't know enough about the workings of said country and how it differs from my own to even set up a bank account for myself.

Nearly all of the things you've said about this girl apply to me, with the exception of the cultural difference between the countries we're in respectively, and the availability of women's shelters.

I was unhappy for months in this relationship, repeatedly asked him to let me go, and repeatedly was denied.

Do you consider me a victim?

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RE: Why A Slave? - 6/4/2013 9:56:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		If it was really a dom having fun. He definitely got his helpless feminine side spot on big time. Which is pretty weird too, for a dom, to enjoy playing damsel in distress to other female subs.


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RE: Why A Slave? - 6/4/2013 9:56:26 PM   
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Who are you referring to that I know so well?

Carol, myself, our marriage. Post #232, #247 (although you're on similar ground with Tazzy & Ishtar in my opinion).

Here we are trying to relate our life experiences to help you and you are telling us we are wrong about our own lives.

Generally I just hide folks who do this but this time I'm asking first.

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RE: Why A Slave? - 6/4/2013 9:57:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, first you said, you would share your wife.
Then you said you have not shared her with a very common reason why most men won't share their wives.
So, until you have shared her, then I'll believe you :)
Simple conclusion.

I think I understand what you guys are saying, but you guys don't understand what I am saying and choose to put yourselves as comparable as to the situation I was describing when I don't even see you guys that way.

Sometimes, I fail to be articulate enough too. And probably from lacking of skills to be so.

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RE: Why A Slave? - 6/4/2013 10:05:14 PM   
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If it was really a dom having fun. He definitely got his helpless feminine side spot on big time. Which is pretty weird too, for a dom, to enjoy playing damsel in distress to other female subs.




Oh, hon, you are new. Men can be very convincing. I have seen many play the female role.. and quite effectively.

Arpig comes to mind quickly, for those who are following along

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RE: Why A Slave? - 6/4/2013 10:06:53 PM   
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I was unhappy for months in this relationship, repeatedly asked him to let me go, and repeatedly was denied.


Even as you speak, it's feels like a whole different vibe. You do not fear him. You enjoyed his control.
You needed him to let you go because you enjoyed him so much that you couldn't leave yourself.

She was fearful of him and would not even dare to mention to him that she wants out.

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RE: Why A Slave? - 6/4/2013 10:07:11 PM   
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Arpig comes to mind quickly, for those who are following along


Shhhhhhhhhht!

I keep feeling that if we say that name often enough in one thread he'll appear, like an evil spirit or something.

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RE: Why A Slave? - 6/4/2013 10:07:59 PM   
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Arpig comes to mind quickly, for those who are following along

Can Arpig pretend to be victim sub and talk to me? I'd love to see how he sounds.

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RE: Why A Slave? - 6/4/2013 10:10:14 PM   
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Even as you speak, it's feels like a whole different vibe. You do not fear him.


Sweetie, we're years after the facts now.

There are several people here that will attested to how much I've changed in that period, and what a fucking wreck I was when it first ended (and yeah, that's despite me asking for release).

I almost killed myself after it ended, and I can assure you that I feared him at several points before, during, and after our relationship. Though not continuously so.

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RE: Why A Slave? - 6/4/2013 10:10:37 PM   
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Dont judge me because I sin differently than you.
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RE: Why A Slave? - 6/4/2013 10:11:15 PM   
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I keep feeling that if we say that name often enough in one thread he'll appear, like an evil spirit or something.

I know, right? It's kind of like He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named.

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RE: Why A Slave? - 6/4/2013 10:11:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Arpig comes to mind quickly, for those who are following along


Shhhhhhhhhht!

I keep feeling that if we say that name often enough in one thread he'll appear, like an evil spirit or something.


Ok, I see your point. But you gotta admit some of these threads lately have been along the same quality as his.

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Telling me to take Midol wont help your butthurt.
RIP, my demon-child 5-16-11
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If you want it sugar coated, dont ask me what i think! It would violate TOS.

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