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tazzygirl -> RE: Why A Slave? (6/6/2013 6:58:29 PM)
Oh...let me tell ya... I was never so HAPPY as when he allowed me to bring in one with a timer.... omg... at times I loved that coffee maker more than I did him. And I dont even drink coffee.

UllrsIshtar -> RE: Why A Slave? (6/6/2013 7:08:31 PM)
Oh it's got a timer, that ain't the issue. It's just a totally unreasonable expectation of his I would have never agreed on if I had known of it beforehand. It's humiliating to expect me to fulfill such a slavish task... I mean me as a free woman, fulfilling the tasks of a slave, can you imagine?!? It's demeaning. It's obviously abusive. I should start a thread to complain about it, really.

tazzygirl -> RE: Why A Slave? (6/6/2013 7:10:51 PM)
~coughs~ You? Doing slavish tasks? And then you pull the fw card? When did you start hating me? [8D]

Greta75 -> RE: Why A Slave? (6/6/2013 7:18:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar Hell, you're saying my husband is currently being abusive to me because he expects me to make coffee for him in the morning, something that I wasn't told at all would be part of the general expectations before marrying him. Well, what is he gonna do if you refuse? Like in a marriage, it's not so uncommon that a hubby likes that kind of pampering. My x-dom has to get up for work at like 4am, I only start work at 2pm, means I end very late. But I still got to get up his time to make his breakfast and coffee. And yes, he told me before. And I agreed. I think if you are bringing a vanilla into kink for the first time...., you got to know she barely knows anything about it, and he knew. Lamb to Slaughter, that's what I call it.

UllrsIshtar -> RE: Why A Slave? (6/6/2013 7:19:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 Well, what is he gonna do if you refuse? He'd probably tie me up and stick the cattleprod up my twat long enough to get me so hysterical in panic and pain that I go limb and can't even cry anymore. Or something like that... Or he might shrug it off and not really care. I don't really know for sure, and I ain't about to test him on it either.

Greta75 -> RE: Why A Slave? (6/6/2013 7:20:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar He'd probably tie me up and stick the cattleprod up my twat long enough to get me so hysterical in panic and pain that I go limb and can't even cry anymore. Sounds like reward for you. You might wanna try denying him that coffee.

UllrsIshtar -> RE: Why A Slave? (6/6/2013 7:22:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar He'd probably tie me up and stick the cattleprod up my twat long enough to get me so hysterical in panic and pain that I go limb and can't even cry anymore. Sounds like reward for you. You might wanna try denying him that coffee. Nope, I'm not a painslut nor a masochist. I don't seek out hurt for my own enjoyment. My masochism is limited to emotional, and my bottom interests are limited to very soft play, and mainly bondage.

tazzygirl -> RE: Why A Slave? (6/6/2013 7:23:42 PM)
Someone isnt very good at reading others.

UllrsIshtar -> RE: Why A Slave? (6/6/2013 7:25:17 PM)
BTW, I see that you're again using -what's starting to become a rather common tactic from you it seems- a diversion to get away from the main point. Do you think Carol, littlewonder, tazzy, and me are or have been abused by consensual relationship in which all the demands and expectations where not laid out beforehand?

JeffBC -> RE: Why A Slave? (6/6/2013 7:38:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar He'd probably tie me up and stick the cattleprod up my twat long enough to get me so hysterical in panic and pain that I go limb and can't even cry anymore. Oh you poor, poor woman. PS: For you poor, oppressed coffee slaves... Cold-brewed is quick, brainless, highly precise, and depending on your tastes it's the best coffee you'll ever get. It also has substantially less caffeine in it (for LW). You basically pour some in a mug and water down to taste (it starts concentrated), heat it in a microwave to temp and serve. Makes as many cups as you need in advance. It's just not cool if you like the bitter oils and the burnt sugars that you get in hot brew.

Greta75 -> RE: Why A Slave? (6/6/2013 7:40:13 PM)
quote: Do you think Carol, littlewonder, tazzy, and me are or have been abused by consensual relationship in which all the demands and expectations where not laid out beforehand? You are asking the same old question over and over again. Which I have answered. Carol knows Jeff, she's with him because he won't abuse her, that is clear. Carol got spidey senses for abusers, as what Jeff says. Little Wonder is one of the happiest sub in this forum. She glows with happiness, why would I think she's abuse. You and Tazzy believed you experienced what you wanted to experience. And accepted that it includes what you don't like and like. You guys went in with your eyes wide open. It's like me, if I went into slavery, I will know what to expect, and the unexpected as well, depending on how sadistic the master wants to be. But luring a vanilla into a slavery relationship, without being responsible enough to make her understand what it exactly encompass, lamb to slaughter.

Greta75 -> RE: Why A Slave? (6/6/2013 7:43:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar Nope, I'm not a painslut nor a masochist. I don't seek out hurt for my own enjoyment. My masochism is limited to emotional, and my bottom interests are limited to very soft play, and mainly bondage. And you also know, your husband won't do that to you, if you don't make him coffee.

UllrsIshtar -> RE: Why A Slave? (6/6/2013 7:48:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar Nope, I'm not a painslut nor a masochist. I don't seek out hurt for my own enjoyment. My masochism is limited to emotional, and my bottom interests are limited to very soft play, and mainly bondage. And you also know, your husband won't do that to you, if you don't make him coffee. Huh? Where the hell do you get that assumption from now (and do you ever stop jumping to bizarre, unfounded conclusions long enough to read what people are saying). He very well may do that. He's done stuff like that before to punish, though not for not making coffee.

UllrsIshtar -> RE: Why A Slave? (6/6/2013 7:52:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 But luring a vanilla into a slavery relationship, without being responsible enough to make her understand what it exactly encompass, lamb to slaughter. That's what Jeff did to Carol, basically. The fact that he won't actually do stuff to her that she would consider abusive is circumstantial. You need to seriously work on your definition of abuse darling, because you keep saying "X people aren't abused" and then saying "doing Y to a person is necessarily abusive" when Y is repeatedly and consistently done to the X people you claimed aren't being abused.

Aswad -> RE: Why A Slave? (6/6/2013 7:53:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 You are asking the same old question over and over again. Which I have answered. What you've answered is that some of the people on here with the most experience with "real" slavery are among the happiest, most well balanced people on here. Doesn't that at least suggest a couple of interesting conclusions to you? IWYW, — Aswad.

Greta75 -> RE: Why A Slave? (6/6/2013 7:55:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar That's what Jeff did to Carol, basically. The fact that he won't actually do stuff to her that she would consider abusive is circumstantial. I don't see a similarity frankly.

JeffBC -> RE: Why A Slave? (6/6/2013 7:58:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar The fact that he won't actually do stuff to her that she would consider abusive is circumstantial. You know that's an interesting thought... "that she would consider abusive". I gotta tell you I have already changed her mind in several areas such that things which would have previously been seen as "abusive" now would not be. If I can do that then... uh ... when exactly is she going to come to this conclusion of abuse? But you're right. I won't do things she considers abusive lol. And yes, I "lured" Carol into a vanilla marriage (eg: I courted her, loved her, and married her). The I lulled her into a false sense of security by continuing all that loving for a decade or so. Then the rules changed to "how about you just obey?" And honestly, how could either one of us "understand" what exactly that all encompassed? We were both new. Even were we not each relationship is unique. It was just an open ended agreement to obey "until she didn't want to any more".

UllrsIshtar -> RE: Why A Slave? (6/6/2013 7:59:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar That's what Jeff did to Carol, basically. The fact that he won't actually do stuff to her that she would consider abusive is circumstantial. I don't see a similarity frankly. Jeff married Carol in a vanilla setting, and then one day, years later, decided "from now on you're my slave, because I said so" without her having any understanding whatsoever of what that entailed. Carol wasn't -and still isn't from what I understand- kinky at all, and is basically not given a choice in the matter, because Jeff brainwashed her to the point she's not really capable of saying no to him. He's even questioned, quite frequently, on this very board whether or not their relationship is even consensual in nature atm, because he's pretty convinced she's not capable of either giving or withdrawing consent to him. You don't see the similarity between that and this: "But luring a vanilla into a slavery relationship, without being responsible enough to make her understand what it exactly encompass, lamb to slaughter."

Greta75 -> RE: Why A Slave? (6/6/2013 8:00:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aswad What you've answered is that some of the people on here with the most experience with "real" slavery are among the happiest, most well balanced people on here. Real slavery is real misery. But the lines get blurred with people who enjoys masochism, because the real misery is what they enjoy, they feel they need, constantly being forced to do what they don't want to do. Then it works out. The issue here, we got folks who enjoys masochism, or even though they enjoy it, insist they do not, getting offended that I say it's not okay what this girl is going through, choosing to intentionally compare their own situation as exactly the same as hers.

tazzygirl -> RE: Why A Slave? (6/6/2013 8:00:28 PM)
OMG... YOU BASTARD! YOU LOVED CAROL! Im so disappointed in you.

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