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RE: Master wants a threesome... - 2/21/2013 1:19:11 PM   
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meh..if being monogamous means I'm demanding, I'm pretty ok with that. And yes I do believe love is conditional. I can think of many many many things that would make my love go away from people, even my own child.



I agree, other than the child part.

What I find interesting is people who are non monogamous try and intellectualize it away, when this is something that is not intellectual; it is emotional. There are conditions involved when it comes to interpersonal relationships and whether it is D/s or vanilla, no amount of intellectualizing will change that for most people.

Not everyone is wired poly nor are they wired to accept non monogamy. I have never been involved in a love relationship where I felt I needed to fuck someone else and I expect my partners to do the same if they wanted to be with me.

This is not making demands, it is being true to oneself.

As for someone who said the OP was leading the guy on, I cannot even comment on how ludicrous that post was.

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RE: Master wants a threesome... - 2/21/2013 1:49:41 PM   
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No, what I meant was the demand that monogamy makes. People that are monogamous, whether they say the words I typed or not, are making that demand and treating love in just that way; conditionally. And that's fine. People can believe that love is conditional. I don't.



Oh, please: all love is conditional. When someone uses the phrase "unconditional love" all that means is the way they love someone fits into certain parameters. I have absolutely no doubt that you have many conditions around the way you love; you simply don't think of them as conditions.

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RE: Master wants a threesome... - 2/21/2013 1:56:56 PM   
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The second part, if he didn't make his expectations of poly known before hand, then he's made his own bed.



Right. Good or bad, monogamy is the cultural default. It was on him to bring it up if poly/open relationships/threesomes is crucial to his happiness. It's unreasonable just to assume it will be ok with your partner. It makes you wonder if it was deliberately not brought up until she agreed to him being her dom so that he could then pull the 'I'm in charge now' line.



I'd go further: It is unreasonable to assume anything is OK until you ask about it and discuss. If you asked a partner what their limits are and they give you a list, that doesn't mean anything they failed to mention is OK. They may not have thought of something. And people can change their limits at any time. BDSM, like any relationship, centers on communication. If want to take "my way or the highway" approach, don't be surprised if lots of people choose the highway.

I mean, I am a male sub, which everyone keeps telling me is supposed to mean I am a seller in a buyer's market, but I have turned down plenty of dommes because they weren't what I was looking for or demanded things that wouldn't work for me. And I will tell you most of the "my way or the highway" people I have met in BDSM circles were boring, unpleasant, self-absorbed, and not people I wanted to be around.

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RE: Master wants a threesome... - 2/21/2013 2:19:32 PM   
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What is this some mamby pamby vanila site? For chist sake this sub/slave has suposedly comitted itself to serving a Master.
It has done multiple three ways before with others in the past by its own admission.
And no where does it try to say that there was any mention of discussion and/or agreement to a limit against three ways when it committing itself to its Master.
But now it is too good to submit to doing it again with some one that it's Master chooses to because it doent want to? that is Bull shit!
Most of those who talk like they agree with the slave not doing what it's Master desires sound like they want the slave for themselves, with them talking about how cute the slave is, how itis sweat and is such eye candy and is so young, and old the Master is old.
None of those things has a thing to do with ther fact that this cute, sweet, young slave volentarily chose to commit to serving this Master and is now refusing to obey his decision to try a three way to see if He likes it.
If this sub/slave believed it was too cute, sweet or young to do what the Master wants it should not have committed to serve this Master.
But it did commit itself to serve this Master and did not try to set a limit conserning not doing this service before committing itself to serve Him.
The only issue should be that the slave suposedly committed to serve the Master who simply wants the slave to do something that ithe sub/slave has done before and did not seek to set as a limit before commiting itslef to this Master.
I have to wonder who this sub/slave thinks is the Dominant in this relationship, the slave who thinks it has the right to deny its Master a simple desire that was never set as a limit , Or the Master who wants a simple service the sub/slave has given to others before?
Clearly this sub/slave is in the wrong, and should comply with what is'e Master has told it that He wants!


I am [my] Master's slave.
He would never refer to me as an "it".

That may be how you see it but to expect that all Masters and slaves share the same view is below cluelessness and is extremely disrespectful.
I am not putting down the kink of objectification; I am merely affirming that not everyone handles or views his or her relationship dynamic the same way.

We all have baggage.
My Master is well aware of mine and He does not do things that would possibly injure or harm His most Prized possession.
He takes care not to 'break His toys' as it were.

Should the OP decide that engaging in another 3-some is not for her, she is not being disobedient; she is realising a basic incompatibility. Not only is that is a perfectly valid choice, but it is her responsibility to choose partners that she is compatible with.

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I have to agree with AJ, as "it" has not stated what promises exactly her "master" has made to her for one thing - if he tells her one thing and does another it is a form of deception, master or no, and it is deception she is concerned about.

I mean, sure, I run into this girl on the street, assuming I have no prior commitments, I'm pretty sure I'd try to talk her into all kinds of crazy shit, she's gonna make any scene look good, but there is a line between seduction and deception, they are closely related in both theory and praxis.

You should tell it to people straight, IMO, especially if it's a deal breaker for you - she's being straight as far as I can tell, and no, it' probably won't kill her, she's either attracted to this dynamic to begin with, or she's been herded into it by sheer happenstance of culture or demographics - i.e., courted by young men still sowing their wild oats, but there are some ethical issues involved w/regards to sowing fields and then abandoning them that she is correct as a woman and a rational human being to be concerned about.

Like so much of PE, we've got an idealized linguistic/behavioral construct on one side, and the human condition on the other - it's easy to tell people they should do this or do that when it's not your ass on the line, I'm not about to play relationship enforcer to people I don't even know.

The fact that she is in here asking about it at all indicates they have some communication issues, so I'd start there.

Asserting herself here, would logically be to mention these issues to him, and seeing which one of his heads is running the show.

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RE: Master wants a threesome... - 2/21/2013 2:28:14 PM   
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I'd go further: It is unreasonable to assume anything is OK until you ask about it and discuss. If you asked a partner what their limits are and they give you a list, that doesn't mean anything they failed to mention is OK. They may not have thought of something. And people can change their limits at any time. BDSM, like any relationship, centers on communication. If want to take "my way or the highway" approach, don't be surprised if lots of people choose the highway.

I mean, I am a male sub, which everyone keeps telling me is supposed to mean I am a seller in a buyer's market, but I have turned down plenty of dommes because they weren't what I was looking for or demanded things that wouldn't work for me. And I will tell you most of the "my way or the highway" people I have met in BDSM circles were boring, unpleasant, self-absorbed, and not people I wanted to be around.
Hey, I think that bolded part is My cue.

I know that people hate it when I phrase it this way, but My JOB in running this household or My dynamic to base decisions on the information that I have. For the most part, I'm pretty good at seeking out that information on what I need to know. This doesn't negate the responsibility of the s-type to bring things to My attention. It does mean, however, that I may have to ask questions about things that I want to bring onto the horizon. I need to KNOW the person who is submitting to Me. Otherwise, I can't do My job effectively.

The "My way or the highway" thing isn't what a lot of people think it is. Not if you're doing it with an ounce of common sense, anyway. Anybody with a brain in their head is going to realize that "My way" isn't just this thing that abandons all concern for the person that I expect to follow it. No, it doesn't mean you are going to *like* everything that I ever tell you to do, but it does mean that I'm going to be smart and not tell you to do things that you can't live with.

Oh, I'm absolutely going to take every bit of power over a person that they are going to give Me. It's My job to use that power constructively.



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RE: Master wants a threesome... - 2/21/2013 2:49:10 PM   
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No, what I meant was the demand that monogamy makes. People that are monogamous, whether they say the words I typed or not, are making that demand and treating love in just that way; conditionally. And that's fine. People can believe that love is conditional. I don't.



Oh, please: all love is conditional. When someone uses the phrase "unconditional love" all that means is the way they love someone fits into certain parameters. I have absolutely no doubt that you have many conditions around the way you love; you simply don't think of them as conditions.


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RE: Master wants a threesome... - 2/21/2013 2:59:11 PM   
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No, what I meant was the demand that monogamy makes. People that are monogamous, whether they say the words I typed or not, are making that demand and treating love in just that way; conditionally. And that's fine. People can believe that love is conditional. I don't.



Oh, please: all love is conditional. When someone uses the phrase "unconditional love" all that means is the way they love someone fits into certain parameters. I have absolutely no doubt that you have many conditions around the way you love; you simply don't think of them as conditions.


Love between adults is conditional. Love between a parent and a child is unconditional. I understand what lw meant when she included the love between herself and her child being conditional. My love for my son is unconditional, however, it doesn't mean that there are certain behaviors that would cause me to turn my back on him, and withdraw from showing him that love. Murder comes to mind. My son and I have had our issues, and there are many times, even now, when I really don't like him because of certain behaviors. But I always love him; he is my son. Likewise with my granddaughter. Of course she is only two but my love for her is unconditional. You can love someone (like children or grandchildren), but not accept decisions that they make or actions that they take, without withdrawing the love.


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RE: Master wants a threesome... - 2/21/2013 3:02:26 PM   
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Another one that can read my mind! Excellent. We're done here.
Comments like this remind Me of taking one's ball and going home.

I do happen to subscribe to the "love is conditional" camp. If not love, than at least current relationship status. Would your position be that there is *nothing* on the planet that would destroy that?

For Myself, I know there are certain things that I would *NEVER* tolerate. Not from MP, clip, or anybody else. An example of this, for Me, would be cheating and being deceptive about it. This is especially true if somebody wasn't using safer sex practices and was bringing God knows what home as a result of their endeavors.

Any parent worth their salt would kick somebody to the curb if they were harming their children. Might even want to be thankful if kicking them to the curb is all that I did.

So, really, Satyr? There's NOTHING out there which would be a condition for you?




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RE: Master wants a threesome... - 2/21/2013 3:02:28 PM   
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The impression I got was that he let her know of this AFTER they agreed on a relationship, not before. If he had let her know that threesomes were a must-have prior to the relationship starting, then I'd agree with you. But I don't get that feeling.


I think these points are crucial to this discussion. She's 19 and this is very likely her first adult relationship, never mind D/s BDSM relationship. Hell, in another thread she said she didn't know what being "collared" entailed. Being submissive isn't like throwing a switch - and BAM! - everything works perfectly. It's a learning curve and expecting a 19 year old to know everything about how to handle a relationship is unrealistic.

The second part, if he didn't make his expectations of poly known before hand, then he's made his own bed.



Even though I recognized she had both threads, my exhausted brain didn't make the connection. I didn't connect that this was the "damaged" dom who was trying to get over his last relationship. In my opinion, that makes his behavior even worse. It's like he has rebounded with this young, inexperienced girl and figures because she is new, he can live out his fantasies while on the rebound without considering how it will affect her.

I'm glad she was smart enough to post about it and to go back and tell him her feelings.

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RE: Master wants a threesome... - 2/21/2013 3:03:49 PM   
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I was being a bitty, sorry. It really had nothing to do with the thread, just a particular poster who gets on my nerves. I blame my hormones....or global warming...or manbearpig.....


I'm not sure what being a "bitty" means, but your comment on photographs was nearly as insulting as the guy calling subs "it."

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RE: Master wants a threesome... - 2/21/2013 4:44:34 PM   
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Not everyone is wired poly nor are they wired to accept non monogamy. I have never been involved in a love relationship where I felt I needed to fuck someone else and I expect my partners to do the same if they wanted to be with me.

This is not making demands, it is being true to oneself.



Good points and I would add that it definitely works both ways. As someone who is definitely not wired to be monogamous, it's hard for me to understand how people can be so anti-poly, no matter what. It's not about "needing" to fuck another, it's about wanting to. I could just eat bread and water everyday but I sure love shrimp and cheesecake. I want variety and I have the right to it. I expect my partners to realize that variety - for me and them - is a wonderful thing and that is being true to MYSELF. It has nothing to do with not having my needs met. It's just a desire for more in addition to the wonderful relationship I already have. I don't look down my nose at those who are wired to only be monogamous and I don't accept them doing it to me..........luci

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RE: Master wants a threesome... - 2/21/2013 4:48:53 PM   
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I'm not sure what being a "bitty" means, but your comment on photographs was nearly as insulting as the guy calling subs "it."

I think she meant "biddy" and it usually means an old lady running off at the mouth
luci

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RE: Master wants a threesome... - 2/21/2013 4:52:14 PM   
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I agree with you, it does go both ways.

It is as you said, no one on either side of the poly/monogamous groups should be looking down on or trying to change the minds of what we believe for ourselves. It was certain comments I was replying to where non-monogamous people were trying to intellectualize an emotionally based desire.

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RE: Master wants a threesome... - 2/21/2013 5:13:20 PM   
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I think that you have gotten some very good, non-misogynistic advice from quite a few wise people.....many of whom have their real photos up ;) I'd listen to them. You didn't say a 3-some is forever out of the question. Someone (be they Dom or not) with an ounce of compassion who can see anyone besides themselves would be patient and help you through dealing with the past trauma. Sounds like you two have talked more and he understands....which means he is probably a better Dom than anyone who would tell you to suck it up ;)

Oh, and when you are talking to yourself in that mirror....remind yourself that you are a woman...which means "she" and not "it."


That IS my real photo!


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RE: Master wants a threesome... - 2/21/2013 5:21:26 PM   
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No, what I meant was the demand that monogamy makes. People that are monogamous, whether they say the words I typed or not, are making that demand and treating love in just that way; conditionally. And that's fine. People can believe that love is conditional. I don't.



Oh, please: all love is conditional. When someone uses the phrase "unconditional love" all that means is the way they love someone fits into certain parameters. I have absolutely no doubt that you have many conditions around the way you love; you simply don't think of them as conditions.


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I believe reading at a 6th grade level would be sufficient for that task.

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RE: Master wants a threesome... - 2/21/2013 5:29:30 PM   
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I thought it was a thoughtful perspective on poly.

But I would imagine that that even in poly, deception would be considered a conditional value.

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RE: Master wants a threesome... - 2/21/2013 5:53:34 PM   
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Yes, it is possible to have a romantic relationship but, maybe not with the man you are with... Your apprehension is palatable, rational, and obvious which makes me wonder about someone who claims to be your Dom ( which entails, to me, a higher standard than just a boyfriend. He should be more concerned with your mental health, more protective of you... ) trying to coerce you into it. A good Dom finds out your limits & will try to get you out of your comfort zone but not to the point of harming you... If you were like " ewwee I don't think I could do THAT" & it wasn't a hard limit of yours..maybe I wouldn't feel so negatively towards him

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RE: Master wants a threesome... - 2/21/2013 6:36:13 PM   
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Well yeah, he's on the whole polygyny trip, you're in the emo zone - it all boils down to whether you trust him enough to work through all your negative feelings - cheating is a big deal, I mean you allowed someone to get extremely close to you and they lied to you - it's rough.

And, if you do decide to trust him and you get burned again - can you pull out of that?

I mean, on one level, it's just sex, you get that much out of it, barring any persistent externalities, you gained experience, even if it hurt - Two women is a beautiful thing, it kinda hurts just to watch - but to return to mstr4brnslv for a moment - yeah, you did do it once, and it sucked, hello?

I'm not going to go with why you jumped right into a dom for a rebound guy, but like I said, I don't know much about you, less about him, in the end it's your call.

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RE: Master wants a threesome... - 2/21/2013 6:49:33 PM   
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Oh, and when you are talking to yourself in that mirror....remind yourself that you are a woman...which means "she" and not "it."


cordelia, master4bornslv is gay. I believe that in some gay M/s circles, it's customary to refer to slave men as "it". I wish LadyPact were here - she understands their customs better than I do.

But, yeah, using "it" for a person rubs me the wrong way too.



We use "it" quite frequently in our relationship. It's not always a negative term. I like when he uses it most of the time. It kinda gives me an extra oommpphh during the day when I'm especially busy and I tend to stray because my head is elsewhere instead of Him. It's not for everyone though. If you have insecurities and self esteem issues then yes, this would probably not be your cup of tea.



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RE: Master wants a threesome... - 2/21/2013 7:03:09 PM   
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So here's my thought for the op and any other 19 year old out there.

You're young!! You've got your entire life ahead of you. Go out and experiment, have fun, find what you like and don't like. Don't settle just yet. At 19 you really have no clue at all what you want or need, like or dislike. You need to go out and learn about life and love and everything in between.

I mean really. This is what college is for. I would expect my teenager to go out and do things stupid or not so stupid. To want to go out and learn new things, experiment, have fun, enjoy their lives. That's what being young is for. No one expects you to know much of anything right now. No one expects you to settle down or to just put up with others.

I wish at 19 someone would have told me all of this and I would have taken their advice.

Op why be so unhappy at your age? Get out and enjoy life.


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