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KKK marching in Memphis - 2/20/2013 2:50:49 AM   
TNDommeK


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Status: offline 		I saw the other thread on America being a color blind country, and it reminded me that the KKK have plans to march in Memphis due to the Nathan Bedford Forrest park name being changed.

Thoughts?

(P.s. if this has been brought up, don't attempt to eat me alive, I rarely come down here to P and R.)

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RE: KKK marching in Memphis - 2/20/2013 3:26:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		I was just reading an article about it (http://www.wmctv.com/story/21253635/mpd-holds-emergency-meeting-to-discuss-potential-kkk-rally) which said that the costs for police presence at the protest could reach as high as $1 million.

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RE: KKK marching in Memphis - 2/20/2013 5:36:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TNDommeK
I saw the other thread on America being a color blind country, and it reminded me that the KKK have plans to march in Memphis due to the Nathan Bedford Forrest park name being changed.
Thoughts?
(P.s. if this has been brought up, don't attempt to eat me alive, I rarely come down here to P and R.)


I have no problem with the KKK planning a march. I would take issue with the permit being denied simply because it is coming from the KKK. That being said, I do think the KKK should be on the hook for the extra police presence, and should have to comply with all firearm regulations that prevail where they are marching. If they want to carry, they have to unmask.

I support their right to show themselves to be complete asshats.

Here is what can happen, though.

Link (Wiki) #1
Link (TruTV Video) #2
Link (Fox News Channel Video: Heartland Show with John Kasich) #3
Link (Local News Video) #4 This one is an hour long.

This is the reality of what can happen when a racist group comes to an area that is predominantly the race discriminated against by the group. The cops get put in the middle. And, the Neo Nazi's came back in December in protest of how the police hhandled the situation in October.



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RE: KKK marching in Memphis - 2/20/2013 6:45:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		The issue of the right to assembly has been reviewed by the Supreme Court:

"The KKK's right to assemble peaceably was secured by the famous 1977 case of National Socialist Party v. Skokie, in which the American Civil Liberties Union successfully argued that the First Amendment prohibited officials of Skokie, Ill., from banning a march by the National Socialist Party. Skokie is a Chicago suburb that is home to many Holocaust survivors. One federal judge reasoned that "it is better to allow those who preach racial hatred to expend their venom in rhetoric rather than to be panicked into embarking on the dangerous course of permitting the government to decide what its citizens may say and hear."

Government officials may not impose restrictions on protests or parades or other lawful assemblies in order to censor a particular viewpoint or because they dislike the content of the message. However, they may impose some limitations on assembly rights by enacting reasonable "time, place and manner" restrictions designed to further legitimate regulatory objectives, such as preventing traffic congestion or prohibiting interference with nearby activities.

Those who protest and march may also have to pay a permit fee as long as the fee is reasonable and officials do not withhold the permit because of their unpopular views. In the 1992 case Forsyth County v. The Nationalist Movement, the Supreme Court struck down an ordinance that allowed an administrator to charge a higher permit fee to groups whose march would likely require more police protection. According to the Court, free-speech and assembly rights should not become more costly just because marchers may elicit a hostile reaction from onlookers."

http://www.lincoln.edu/criminaljustice/hr/Assembly.htm



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RE: KKK marching in Memphis - 2/20/2013 6:58:22 AM   
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Walkin with my feet 10 feet off of Beale,
Walkin in Memphis...........


I would like to get one of their full outfits for the goof, but they are too expensive.

But, yeah...fuck them haters.

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RE: KKK marching in Memphis - 2/20/2013 7:06:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't think they should be stopped from protesting or marching.
I do think they should be responsible for the cost any added police presence required.

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RE: KKK marching in Memphis - 2/20/2013 7:40:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		They are marching to call attention to themselves. The best way to deal with groups like this is to ignore them. No counter protests, no press reports, no tv coverage. Just ignore them completely..

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RE: KKK marching in Memphis - 2/20/2013 7:46:12 AM   
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They are marching to call attention to themselves. The best way to deal with groups like this is to ignore them. No counter protests, no press reports, no tv coverage. Just ignore them completely..

Given all the media coverage, and mostly supportive media-coverage I hasten to add, that all the attention seeking "Occupy" groups received...
Fair is fair, after all.

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RE: KKK marching in Memphis - 2/20/2013 7:50:27 AM   
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I don't think they should be stopped from protesting or marching.
I do think they should be responsible for the cost any added police presence required.

While I agree that the KKK, and every group, should be responsible for the cost of any added police presence none of the "Occupy" groups were held responsible for the cost of any added police presence and some of them, the one in DC for just one, required added police presence for several months.

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RE: KKK marching in Memphis - 2/20/2013 7:54:04 AM   
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RE: KKK marching in Memphis - 2/20/2013 7:54:20 AM   
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While I agree that the KKK, and every group, should be responsible for the cost of any added police presence none of the "Occupy" groups were held responsible for the cost of any added police presence and some of them, the one in DC for just one, required added police presence for several months.


I don't know about the "occupying groups". I do know that it is done by communities often when something requires more police. I've seen it done for large Powwows as well as other events.

I think that anyone has a RIGHT to protest, march, ect.
However, I don't think they have a RIGHT to put added cost on the community at large.
You're rights can not impose on someone else's and IMO when a community pays for things like as added police THAT is what is happening.


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RE: KKK marching in Memphis - 2/20/2013 8:10:51 AM   
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I support their right to show themselves to be complete asshats.


Love love love this

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RE: KKK marching in Memphis - 2/20/2013 8:24:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: RacerJim


quote:

ORIGINAL: servantforuse

They are marching to call attention to themselves. The best way to deal with groups like this is to ignore them. No counter protests, no press reports, no tv coverage. Just ignore them completely..

Given all the media coverage, and mostly supportive media-coverage I hasten to add, that all the attention seeking "Occupy" groups received...
Fair is fair, after all.


"mostly supportive media-coverage"


Folks, this is the extremism/bigotry/code messaging the cons tried to use last election(and in general).


We all know the the media doesn`t support the KKK or other groups like it,like the support the GOP affiliated John Birch Society and the CCC get from rightist media.

Great example of the alternate reality cons operate in.You guys are so helpfull...thanks.


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It`s because we exposed it that we did so well last election.....things will never be the same after the introduction of social media......you cons will never be able to stifle or control it.



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RE: KKK marching in Memphis - 2/20/2013 8:42:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		That the KKK are allowed to march in public makes me ashamed to be a human being an an American citizen.

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RE: KKK marching in Memphis - 2/20/2013 8:58:29 AM   
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Ridicule is a great response


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RE: KKK marching in Memphis - 2/20/2013 9:39:04 AM   
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RE: KKK marching in Memphis - 2/20/2013 9:44:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		As I see it, we have to permit them to march because the whole point of free speech is defending speech no matter how abhorrent, in order to keep the right for all.

Has anyone noticed that there is never a KKK march that manages to attract more than a dozen or so people anymore? Personally, I'd LOVE to see a bunch of people of color, maybe some of the Memphis Leather Community hijack the parade, marching along with them, laughing and pointing and mocking them along the route.

People here have said that the Klan does this for the attention. That's exactly right. I'm torn--give them no attention, or steal it by treating them like the clowns that they are.

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RE: KKK marching in Memphis - 2/20/2013 9:48:17 AM   
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RE: KKK marching in Memphis - 2/20/2013 11:06:56 AM   
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That the KKK are allowed to march in public makes me ashamed to be a human being an an American citizen.


I completely agree with your distaste of the KKK's beliefs. I completely disagree that they should not be allowed free speech.

What I am more ashamed of, is that there are still people so stupid as to think skin color makes a difference; that we, as the human race, haven't figured out that skin color is not a determining factor in personality.

Everybody has the right to be wrong. Some people abuse that right. The KKK and the Neo-Nazi's, IMO, abuse that right.


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RE: KKK marching in Memphis - 2/20/2013 11:19:56 AM   
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That the KKK are allowed to march in public makes me ashamed to be a human being an an American citizen.

How about the equally racist Black Panthers/Muslim Brotherhood being allowed to march in public on the National Mall?

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