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ORIGINAL: SadistDave

If some guy thinks he was born a girl and wants to go pee in the womens restroom, there's a surgery for that.

If a girl wants to go pee in the mens room, there's a surgery for that too.

It's a pretty simple concept really. If if someone is born with parts they don't like, they can get the appropriate surgery so they can pee in their preferred location. Until they show that level of commitment... fuck 'em.

Just because someone wants to be something does not mean they ARE something. If it did, then anyone fucking a furry, "puppy" or "pony" would be guilty of bestiality, adult babies would be considered minors and taking pictures of a 40 year old wearing nothing but baby booties and sucking a pacifier would be child porn.

Or, as Douglas Adams observed "If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, we have at least to consider the possibility that we have a small aquatic bird of the family anatidae on our hands."

-SD-

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ORIGINAL: SadistDave

Ah yes! Someone disagrees with you so they must be a hater, or a bigot, or a racist. So, if you insist on calling me ignorant and a hater, then recognize that you are every bit as much a hater for refusing to recognize the rights of people who simply don't agree with your intellectually limited opinions. You want to force people to accept your beliefs without regard to anyone elses, and that's pretty lame.

Here's a little bit of a reality check for you. Other people have rights too, not just the people you believe deserve special rights. Other people deserve protection too, not just the people you think should have it. Only an ignorant, bigoted, hater like you would conclude that the world must accept your insignificant opinions as the basis for reality.

People also have a right to make sure their children are not exposed to things they don't want them to be exposed to. People have a right to protect their children from other peoples beliefs. People have the right to keep their children physically safe from what they believe to be dangerous situations. If you're too stupid to realize that, then you aren't smart enough to even be having the conversation. You've shown that you're every bit the ignorant, bigoted hater you believe me to be.

When people like you show no consideration for the beliefs of others, you really should expect people to not particularly give a fuck about your opinions... And that is precisely how the LGBT community has treated these issues of late. The bullying tactics have gotten old.

-SD-

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ORIGINAL: SadistDave
Ah yes! Someone disagrees with you so they must be a hater, or a bigot, or a racist.

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ORIGINAL: OttersSwim
As to the Steel's statement of roleplaying, I admit I was probably a bit twitchy about that sort of term given the squirrel post and others that made his position seem hostile. Thanks for responding politely Steel. :)

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ORIGINAL: http://www.flayrah.com/4383/opinion-why-furry-experience-hits-home-so-deeply
The furry experience addresses a nearly universal desire to be seen as you feel you are

Whether you are a fur (who feels a species identity different than your human skin shows), a transgender (who feels a gender different than your birth body shows), or just differently colored, shaped, or pigmented than those around you, probably all furries and their kin were likely acutely aware at an age as young age as 4-8 years old that how people saw and treated them was very different than what they felt they were like inside.

This is true for all humans, in fact, who are instantly judged at some level based on impressions: blonde, female, Mexican, Asian, African, and so on, which also have nothing to do with who you are inside. Where furs step off this path of false impressions is that we, nearly uniquely, create a fursona that we own (we feel it, we made it, it was not set a birth), and then we project and interact based upon that character.

Online many people use such a projected character. But in fursuit, it goes farther. For me, to have adults and children approach me and treat me based on the very same image of how I feel about who I am internally is a very empowering experience. In really no other way do humans change their appearance, down the their very pelt and body structure, so that in real life physical and social interactions, other furs and people approach them based on their self-image rather than their inherited traits.

So why does, in my view, the furry experience hit home so deeply? It is because it addresses a nearly universal desire to be seen as you feel you are. and those of us who are furs, minorities of any kind, LGBT just are made aware of our differences, and the insufficiency and misdirection of our treatment at the hands of less enlightened people.*

Thus, for me, putting on a suit, or interacting in character, is so transformative because I am approached as I feel I am, not as others may judge I am. If only mundanes could do the same thing.... everyone should be so lucky as to experience this.

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ORIGINAL: SadistDave

Ah yes! Someone disagrees with you so they must be a hater, or a bigot, or a racist. So, if you insist on calling me ignorant and a hater, then recognize that you are every bit as much a hater for refusing to recognize the rights of people who simply don't agree with your intellectually limited opinions. You want to force people to accept your beliefs without regard to anyone elses, and that's pretty lame.

Here's a little bit of a reality check for you. Other people have rights too, not just the people you believe deserve special rights. Other people deserve protection too, not just the people you think should have it. Only an ignorant, bigoted, hater like you would conclude that the world must accept your insignificant opinions as the basis for reality.

People also have a right to make sure their children are not exposed to things they don't want them to be exposed to. People have a right to protect their children from other peoples beliefs. People have the right to keep their children physically safe from what they believe to be dangerous situations. If you're too stupid to realize that, then you aren't smart enough to even be having the conversation. You've shown that you're every bit the ignorant, bigoted hater you believe me to be.

When people like you show no consideration for the beliefs of others, you really should expect people to not particularly give a fuck about your opinions... And that is precisely how the LGBT community has treated these issues of late. The bullying tactics have gotten old.

-SD-

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi
Do you always get this worked up when you are called on your bullshit? Or are you still going to try to claim "If some guy thinks he was born a girl and wants to go pee in the womens restroom, there's a surgery for that. If a girl wants to go pee in the mens room, there's a surgery for that too."

Personally if I had made a claim like that and was called on it I would just accept that it was a stupid statement and leave it at that. This blathering is just making you look worse.

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi
Do you always get this worked up when you are called on your bullshit? Or are you still going to try to claim "If some guy thinks he was born a girl and wants to go pee in the womens restroom, there's a surgery for that. If a girl wants to go pee in the mens room, there's a surgery for that too."

Personally if I had made a claim like that and was called on it I would just accept that it was a stupid statement and leave it at that. This blathering is just making you look worse.

Forgive me if I'm getting this wrong it's been a while since I looked it up but it seems like Dave is bringing up the law as it stands in several states. That to me makes it worth taking the time to rebut with something more substantial than snark.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Yeah, only rarely do I get an urge to grab up a girl while she is in full piss spraying and put the stumps to her.

It ain't that sexy.

And never when she is putting her Lincoln logs away.

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

I'm serious about the squirrel thing. Well ok, I was joking a bit with LadyPact but I'm serious too. I can't see a difference in the positions other than that your authentic self isn't a cartoon fox, well here, here's a furry explaining things:

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi
Good point. Maybe you could start the ball rolling by telling us which states allow a 6 year old to have the surgery.