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Appointment authority within a private association does not make the federal reserve part of government nor are threy required to take an oath.

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Corruption forms dis-establishmentarian groups.

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When there is no remedy there is a danger. The civil war proved there is no remedy, once a crown property always a crown property, that is how trusts work.

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So, the President has the power to remove a member of the Federal Reserve for cause.

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Corruption exists, so I always find it somewhat incredulous whenever someone suggests that the government is incapable of doing any wrong whatsoever.

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That was in the past, not now. We can't sit back and rest on our laurels, which is exactly what I mean when I say that our government has failed to lead. They're supposed to be looking forward, not backward.

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What exactly do you mean when you say that they're prevented "from dealing with the complexities of a diverse society"? That's a very generalized and vague statement without any specifics.

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The regionalism you speak of is nowhere near as strong as it used to be. That's as much a result of mobility as anything else, since people move around a lot more than they did in the past. State and regional loyalties are more diffused and watered down these days, so it doesn't have as much of an impact on our politics as it once did.

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Americans might be happy with what they have now - so happy in fact that some feel compelled to jealously guard what they have and protect it from anyone or anything that might try to take it away.

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DUE PROCESS

Although a person may invoke the right against self incrimination in a civil case in order to protect himself in a subsequent criminal action, an inference against the person's interest may be drawn as a matter of law based upon an implied admission that a truthful answer would tend to prove that the witness had committed the criminal act or what might constitute a criminal act. Molloy v. Molloy, 46 Wis. 2d 682, 176 N.W.2d 292.

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Substantive due process requires that the state not deprive its citizens of life, liberty, or property without due process. Absent a special relationship, it does not impose an affirmative obligation upon the state to ensure the protection of those rights from a private actor, even when governmental aid may be necessary to secure a person's life, liberty, or property. Jones v. Dane County, 195 Wis. 2d 892, 537 N.W.2d 74 (Ct. App. 1995), 92-0946.

A procedural due process claim arises when there is a deprivation of a right without sufficient process. Generally a predeprivation hearing is required, but when a deprivation results from a random act of a state employee, the question becomes the adequacy of postdeprivation remedies. Jones v. Dane County, 195 Wis. 2d 892, 537 N.W.2d 74 (Ct. App. 1995), 92-0946.

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A nonlawyer may not sign and file a notice of appeal on behalf of a corporation. To do so constitutes practicing law without a license in violation of s. 757.30 and voids the appeal. Requiring a lawyer to file the notice does not violate constitutional guarantees of equal protection and due process. Jadair Inc. v. United States Fire Insurance Co. 209 Wis. 2d 187, 561 N.W.2d 718 (1997), 95-1946.

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The state and federal constitutions provide identical procedural due process and equal protection safeguards. County of Kenosha v. C. & S. Management, Inc. 223 Wis. 2d 373, 588 N.W.2d 236 (1999), 97-0642.

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A village board's denial of an application for a liquor license did not deprive the applicant of either liberty or property. Scott v. Village of Kewaskum, 786 F.2d 338 (1986).

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Removal for cause usually means a person has committed an illegal or unethical act. This does not alter my view that government actors have no power to effect the Fed's policies and are therefore not culpable for what it does.

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Therefore are subject to if not implied a constructive trust.

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So how can taking up arms against a foreign government be treason?
If a government operates outside the purview of its charter then it is foreign.
It means a coup took place and you were not aware.

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So how can taking up arms against a foreign government be treason?
If a government operates outside the purview of its charter then it is foreign.
It means a coup took place and you were not aware.

They gave a coup and no one came so it was cancelled for lack of interest.
They may try again next year.
Stay tuned for occasional updates.
Meanwhile, the good citizens continue their daily lives: working, saving, investing, eating, drinking, fornicating, having kids, playing, getting sick, dying, etc, etc . . . . all God's chillun don' wanna hear no mo sheiittt cuz your crock runnith over.
Wondering how you make room in your life for all that toxic nonsense.
Must be hard to be you. [:-]

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So, the President has the power to remove a member of the Federal Reserve for cause.

Removal for cause usually means a person has committed an illegal or unethical act. This does not alter my view that government actors have no power to effect the Fed's policies and are therefore not culpable for what it does.

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Corruption exists, so I always find it somewhat incredulous whenever someone suggests that the government is incapable of doing any wrong whatsoever.

I have not seen anyone make such a suggestion.

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That was in the past, not now. We can't sit back and rest on our laurels, which is exactly what I mean when I say that our government has failed to lead. They're supposed to be looking forward, not backward.

Are you suggesting socialist planning? Horrors! [;)] How far forward can a government look? In a democratic free market economy you get a democratic free market government. There are many who rage at government sponsored safety nets. I cannot imagine they would tolerate planning. So, what is it precisely that the govt should do to look forward?

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What exactly do you mean when you say that they're prevented "from dealing with the complexities of a diverse society"? That's a very generalized and vague statement without any specifics.

They "drop out" become exclusionary, suspicious, insular, and self absorbed.

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The regionalism you speak of is nowhere near as strong as it used to be. That's as much a result of mobility as anything else, since people move around a lot more than they did in the past. State and regional loyalties are more diffused and watered down these days, so it doesn't have as much of an impact on our politics as it once did.

You can still categorize the states in groups that for example have a majority of Evangelicals and vote Republican while those with a majority of Catholics vote Democratic. We still have rural vs urban mentalities. We still have states righters vs unionist (one nation) views. There are other issues that can be assigned to red and blue states.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

perhaps if you look up the definition of foreign and stop spouting such factually unencumbered drivel and asswipe on such far flung subjects that you possess no scintilla of evidence or knowledge of, but there isn't a great deal of hope held out for such action.

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'Patriot' militia groups who take up arms against the United States are no longer Americans. They are treasonous. They fail to heed the lessons learned by the late Confederacy. So, fuck em! They will deserve the wrath of our Defense forces.

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What do you think about having the Federal Reserve Board of Governors as elected posts, rather than being appointed?

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But you don't need to have a crystal ball to be able to predict what might happen if more money goes out than comes back in. Soon, there will be no more money. If they can't at least look that far forward (as any consumer or head of household must do), then they don't deserve to lead. Simple as that.

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We also discussed the Civil Rights Movement and that the government finally decided to do something about that issue in the 1950s and 60s, nearly a century after the Civil War ended. Don't you think that could have happened much sooner if we had a government that looked forward back in, say, 1880 or so?

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I'm still not sure if I'm understanding the reasons you think they do this, though. I've known people who have a somewhat "rebellious" consciousness, but I also find that they're far more sincere and scrupulously honest than the average person on the street. They're rugged individualists, non-conformists, marching to the beat of a different drum. So, they may not fit in with the "In Crowd," but so what?

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I always thought that "red state"/"blue state" stuff was a lot of hype.

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Why do you think they're called Patriot groups? And if 'no longer' Americans, what then? Much more American than the lobby groups now in charge of politics.

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I didn't realize a president had to be black to have a reason for a good anti-government conspiracy.

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Why do you think they're called Patriot groups? And if 'no longer' Americans, what then? Much more American than the lobby groups now in charge of politics.

They are self labeled. Mis-labeled.

When McVeigh attacked the Marrah Building he ceased being an American.

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What do you think about having the Federal Reserve Board of Governors as elected posts, rather than being appointed?

The whole point of an independent Federal Reserve is to keep it out of the reach of political parties. Rather like the Supreme Court.

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But you don't need to have a crystal ball to be able to predict what might happen if more money goes out than comes back in. Soon, there will be no more money. If they can't at least look that far forward (as any consumer or head of household must do), then they don't deserve to lead. Simple as that.

A family always has the option to increase its income. A government that creates its own money does the same. The issue is one of Market confidence. Not an issue of running out of money. There has been no lack of DEMAND for US Govt bonds. Market confidence has not suffered so far.

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We also discussed the Civil Rights Movement and that the government finally decided to do something about that issue in the 1950s and 60s, nearly a century after the Civil War ended. Don't you think that could have happened much sooner if we had a government that looked forward back in, say, 1880 or so?

Zonie, you speak as if "the government" were a monolith. It isn't. There is no such thing as "THE Government." The governing process in a democracy emerges from the clash of competing interests and forces.

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I'm still not sure if I'm understanding the reasons you think they do this, though. I've known people who have a somewhat "rebellious" consciousness, but I also find that they're far more sincere and scrupulously honest than the average person on the street. They're rugged individualists, non-conformists, marching to the beat of a different drum. So, they may not fit in with the "In Crowd," but so what?

We were talking about armed militias who train for insurrection. A step beyond rugged individualism.

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I always thought that "red state"/"blue state" stuff was a lot of hype.

You might wish to take a closer look. Don;t you think there is a deep ideological rift in our nation?

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Why do you think they're called Patriot groups? And if 'no longer' Americans, what then? Much more American than the lobby groups now in charge of politics.

They are self labeled. Mis-labeled.

When McVeigh attacked the Marrah Building he ceased being an American.