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vincentML -> The Year in Hate and Extremism (3/6/2013 10:51:27 AM)

SNIPS from a report issued by the Southern Poverty Law Center SOURCE

Capping four years of explosive growth sparked by the election of America’s first black president and anger over the economy, the number of conspiracy-minded antigovernment “Patriot” groups reached an all-time high of 1,360 in 2012, while the number of hard-core hate groups remained above 1,000. As President Obama enters his second term with an agenda of gun control and immigration reform, the rage on the right is likely to intensify.

While the number of hate groups remained essentially unchanged last year — going from 1,018 in 2011 to 1,007 in 2012 — the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) count of 1,360 Patriot groups in 2012 was up about 7% from the 1,274 active in 2011. And that was only the latest growth spurt in the Patriot movement, which generally believes that the federal government is conspiring to take Americans’ guns and destroy their liberties as it paves the way for a global “one-world government.” From a mere 149 organizations in 2008, the number of Patriot groups shot up to 512 in 2009, jumped again to 824 in 2010, and then skyrocketed to 1,274 in 2011 before hitting their all-time high last year.

Even before the Dec. 14 shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School, gun and ammunition sales shot up in the wake of the re-election of the country’s first black president, the result of shrill conspiracy theories about Obama’s secret plans to confiscate Americans’ guns. When the killings actually did spark gun control efforts that clearly had not been in the Obama administration’s plans, the reaction on the political right was so harsh that it seemed to border on hysteria.

“MARTIAL LAW IN THE UNITED STATES IS NOW A VERY REAL POSSIBILITY!” added the ConservativeDaily.com’s Tony Adkins, responding to Obama’s use of executive orders to further gun control with a doomsday prediction that could have come straight from the Patriot movement. “SUSPENSION OF THE U.S. CONSTITUTION IS A VERY REAL POSSIBILITY!” The Conservative Monster, a similar website, concluded that the president was conspiring with a variety of foreign enemies “to force Socialism on the American people.”

Even further to the right, the reaction was more intense yet (see also related story, p. 36). Chuck Baldwin, a Montana-based Patriot leader long associated with the Constitution Party, made the unusual claim that Christ had ordered his disciples to carry “their own personal arms” and vowed to refuse to register or surrender his firearms. The Oath Keepers, a conspiracy-oriented Patriot group of current and former military and law enforcement officials, issued a threat — “MESSAGE TO THE OATH BREAKERS AND TRAITORS: We will never disarm” — and added that gun control plans were “unconstitutional filth.” Judicial Watch founder Larry Klayman called the proposals “a declaration of war against the American people” and demanded “liberation” from the “evil clutches” of proponents.

Now, it seems likely that the radical right’s growth will continue. In 2012, before Obama’s re-election and the Newtown, Conn., massacre, the rate of Patriot growth had slackened somewhat, although it remained significant. Anger over the idea of four more years under a black, Democratic president — and, even more explosively, the same kinds of gun control efforts that fueled the militia movement of the 1990s — seems already to be fomenting another Patriot spurt.

Even before the election last year, self-described Patriots sounded ready for action. “Our Federal Government is just a tool of International Socialism now, operating under UN Agendas not our American agenda,” the United States Patriots Union wrote last year in a letter “sent to ALL conservative state legislators, all states.” “This means that freedom and liberty must be defended by the states under their Constitutional Balance of Power, or we are headed to Civil War wherein the people will have no choice but to take matters into their own hands.”
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YOUR THOUGHTS/REACTIONS???




DaNewAgeViking -> RE: The Year in Hate and Extremism (3/6/2013 10:58:02 AM)

Well, they are correct in that we are headed for civil war.
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Real0ne -> RE: The Year in Hate and Extremism (3/6/2013 11:18:55 AM)

wouldnt have anything to do with 911, the imperialistic attempt to take over the world and obvious attempt at destroying the few rights we have left would it?

yeh the internet has a way of informing people about what has been de-emphasized on the news.




Hillwilliam -> RE: The Year in Hate and Extremism (3/6/2013 11:20:12 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DaNewAgeViking

Well, they are correct in that we are headed for civil war.
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I don't think so.
My reasoning is this. The citizens of the the US are by and large just too damn apathetic.

Anything coming close to a civil war in a country this large would probably require a million or so participants. 100,000 at arms and the rest in logistics. Anything smaller wouldn't get a chance to build momentum.




Real0ne -> RE: The Year in Hate and Extremism (3/6/2013 11:21:33 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DaNewAgeViking

Well, they are correct in that we are headed for civil war.
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sure thanks to the BAR's take over of the courts. We have a no way out scenario.

Had the last one been won by the south you would have freedom in the context of the ability to be "RELEASED" from not the standing legal meaning "subject to".




Real0ne -> RE: The Year in Hate and Extremism (3/6/2013 11:23:08 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


quote:

ORIGINAL: DaNewAgeViking

Well, they are correct in that we are headed for civil war.
[sm=couch.gif]

I don't think so.
My reasoning is this. The citizens of the the US are by and large just too damn apathetic.

Anything coming close to a civil war in a country this large would probably require a million or so participants. 100,000 at arms and the rest in logistics. Anything smaller wouldn't get a chance to build momentum.



yeh look at all the brits out here pressing for us to be "just like them"




Hillwilliam -> RE: The Year in Hate and Extremism (3/6/2013 11:24:32 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: DaNewAgeViking

Well, they are correct in that we are headed for civil war.
[sm=couch.gif]

I don't think so.
My reasoning is this. The citizens of the the US are by and large just too damn apathetic.

Anything coming close to a civil war in a country this large would probably require a million or so participants. 100,000 at arms and the rest in logistics. Anything smaller wouldn't get a chance to build momentum.



yeh look at all the brits out here pressing for us to be "just like them"

What has that to do with my post about the apathy of the American public and subsequent unlikelihood of a 'civil war'?




RottenJohnny -> RE: The Year in Hate and Extremism (3/6/2013 11:24:32 AM)

I didn't realize a president had to be black to have a reason for a good anti-government conspiracy.




Real0ne -> RE: The Year in Hate and Extremism (3/6/2013 11:26:57 AM)

it makes such a great drama and simple way to dismiss the real problems this country as racism rather than having substantial discussions about it




Kirata -> RE: The Year in Hate and Extremism (3/6/2013 11:31:16 AM)


Southern Poverty Law Center: Wellspring of Manufactured Hate

In addition to fomenting hatred for groups with which it disagrees, the SPLC is the author of dangerous provocations. For example, in 1996 SPLC hyped a story that black churches were being torched at alarming rates in the South by white racists. As Michael Fumento wrote in the American Spectator at the time, this was soon proven to be false.

SPLC wildly exaggerates the number of groups genuinely associated with hate and violence as well. Laird Wilcox, an independent, non-conservative researcher found that of 800-plus “hate groups” over half them were either non-existent, existed in name only, or were inactive...

SPLC’s co-founder, Morris Dees, has been harshly criticized by former SPLC employees, a former business partner, and many liberal critics. They see him as little more than a rank opportunist and the SPLC’s chief purpose as raising money for SPLC coffers... With over $238 million in net assets, the SPLC is one of the wealthiest nonprofit organizations... Meanwhile, the group spent only $11 million on its supposed primary mission: “providing legal services to victims of civil rights injustices and hate crimes.”

Harper’s published a similarly critical analysis of the SPLC titled, “The Church of Morris Dees”:
    Today, the SPLC spends most of its time—and money—on a relentless fund-raising campaign, peddling memberships in the church of tolerance with all the zeal of a circuit rider passing the collection plate. “He’s the Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker of the civil rights movement,” renowned anti-death-penalty lawyer Millard Farmer (not Dees’s business partner, ed.) says of Dees, his former associate, “though I don’t mean to malign Jim and Tammy Faye....”
The Fairfax (Virginia) Journal counseled federal employees to forego contributions to the SPLC in the Combined Federal Campaign:
    …give your hard-earned dollars to a real charity, not a bunch of slick, parasitic hucksters who live high on the hog by raising money on behalf of needy people who never see a dime of it. (MDJonline.com, Sept. 30, 2011)
Not the best of sources, methinks.

K.




Yachtie -> RE: The Year in Hate and Extremism (3/6/2013 11:32:56 AM)


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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny

I didn't realize a president had to be black to have a reason for a good anti-government conspiracy.



Back in the 60s some said it was being Catholic.[8D]




RottenJohnny -> RE: The Year in Hate and Extremism (3/6/2013 11:36:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie


quote:

ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny

I didn't realize a president had to be black to have a reason for a good anti-government conspiracy.



Back in the 60s some said it was being Catholic.[8D]


lol




kdsub -> RE: The Year in Hate and Extremism (3/6/2013 11:42:46 AM)

Nothing new...same old same old. There have always been and will always be narrow sighted fanatical radicals.

The only difference now is they can communicate with each other on the internet. Our media outlets in their attempts to compete in the new age of instant information dramatize the arcane nutcases for ratings.

Otherwise we are no closer to revolution today then 30 years ago. As they say much ado about nothing.

Butch




JeffBC -> RE: The Year in Hate and Extremism (3/6/2013 11:45:28 AM)

Well, my immediate reaction is that it's a disingenuous report. I'm a liberal and you can count me among "the number of conspiracy-minded antigovernment “Patriot” groups". I know that I'm far, far from the only one. The idea that our government has gone rogue isn't a "rage on the right" issue and the author has to have known that. So ask yourself why it's presented that way?

BTW: I think Obama has already suspended the US constitution. I thought he did that when he signed the 2012 NDAA.




Zonie63 -> RE: The Year in Hate and Extremism (3/6/2013 12:26:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: vincentML
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YOUR THOUGHTS/REACTIONS???


My initial reaction is to ask, if there are people who are mistrustful of government, is that the fault of the government or the people? How did our government get such a bad reputation in the first place that would cause people to believe these things more readily than they would otherwise? If people fear martial law or the suspension of the Constitution, then what has the federal government done to allay some of these fears? Are they offering any true leadership or giving people hope for the future? Are they making efforts to make government more transparent and accessible to the people?

What is our government doing to restore the trust of its people? A few malcontents and shit-stirrers cropping up among the hoi polloi is not so much of a big surprise, and sure, they'll probably come up with all kinds of wild stories and conspiracies. But I would consider that to be a symptom of a deeper problem. Extremist governments only come to pass when the previous governments sucked so bad. If the Tsarist government didn't suck, there would have been no Stalinist government later on. If the Weimar government didn't suck, Hitler would never have come to power.

So, the lesson here to politicians and government officials (the type who consider themselves "moderate") should be obvious: Don't suck, and then there won't be any extremism. We need to get to the root of the problem and not wring our hands over symptoms.







kdsub -> RE: The Year in Hate and Extremism (3/6/2013 12:32:57 PM)

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I think Obama has already suspended the US constitution. I thought he did that when he signed the 2012 NDAA.


A little off topic but it is a big bill...what part do you think suspends the Constitution...and how is this bill tied to Hate and Extremism?

Butch




Kirata -> RE: The Year in Hate and Extremism (3/6/2013 12:33:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Zonie63

What is our government doing to restore the trust of its people?

Well for one thing, it's purchasing 2,700 Mine Resistant Armor Protected Vehicles for the Department of Homeland Security.

[image]http://2-ps.googleusercontent.com/h/www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/488x325xhomeland-security-mrap.jpg.pagespeed.ic.tN6C46J1W4.jpg[/image]

K.




DaNewAgeViking -> RE: The Year in Hate and Extremism (3/6/2013 1:11:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


quote:

ORIGINAL: DaNewAgeViking

Well, they are correct in that we are headed for civil war.
[sm=couch.gif]

I don't think so.
My reasoning is this. The citizens of the the US are by and large just too damn apathetic.

Anything coming close to a civil war in a country this large would probably require a million or so participants. 100,000 at arms and the rest in logistics. Anything smaller wouldn't get a chance to build momentum.

Well, I didn't say they'd win. If we look at the above statistics - 1300-odd hate groups at, say 100 each - assuming ALL of them turned out with their AK-47s and their tinfoil hats, that would only be about 130000 scattered in platoon-sized lots around the continent. ASSUMING they ALL turn out. Not enough to win against a national response with divisions of tanks, artillery, air strikes, etc. However, I'd say an open guerilla war starting in places like Arizona, Idaho, etc., is entirely possible, and considering the utter paranoia of these people, highly likely.
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DaNewAgeViking -> RE: The Year in Hate and Extremism (3/6/2013 1:15:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Zonie63


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ORIGINAL: vincentML
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YOUR THOUGHTS/REACTIONS???


My initial reaction is to ask, if there are people who are mistrustful of government, is that the fault of the government or the people? How did our government get such a bad reputation in the first place that would cause people to believe these things more readily than they would otherwise? If people fear martial law or the suspension of the Constitution, then what has the federal government done to allay some of these fears? Are they offering any true leadership or giving people hope for the future? Are they making efforts to make government more transparent and accessible to the people?

What is our government doing to restore the trust of its people? A few malcontents and shit-stirrers cropping up among the hoi polloi is not so much of a big surprise, and sure, they'll probably come up with all kinds of wild stories and conspiracies. But I would consider that to be a symptom of a deeper problem. Extremist governments only come to pass when the previous governments sucked so bad. If the Tsarist government didn't suck, there would have been no Stalinist government later on. If the Weimar government didn't suck, Hitler would never have come to power.

So, the lesson here to politicians and government officials (the type who consider themselves "moderate") should be obvious: Don't suck, and then there won't be any extremism. We need to get to the root of the problem and not wring our hands over symptoms.

Thou art not for the fashion of the times, Zonie, sad to say.
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DaNewAgeViking -> RE: The Year in Hate and Extremism (3/6/2013 1:34:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata
Well for one thing, it's purchasing 2,700 Mine Resistant Armor Protected Vehicles for the Department of Homeland Security.

[image]http://2-ps.googleusercontent.com/h/www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/488x325xhomeland-security-mrap.jpg.pagespeed.ic.tN6C46J1W4.jpg[/image]

K.

I rest my case.
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