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Real0ne -> RE: The Year in Hate and Extremism (3/7/2013 9:23:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 You did notice that the actual logo on the video was the onion logo followed by span, didnt you? Hate to disrupt your paranoid delusion, but it was a fake video. It was put out by the Onion back in 2008. well its real I just grabbed as usual the first thing that popped up LOL I have somewhere in the archives the signed documents that brought haliburton in to help with building them. Not sure I give that much of a shit to sift through all that shit to look it up however, and google where I kept it online has seen fit to delete most of the library I had oh fucking well. so............. another quick grab LOL Homeland Security To Build Detention Camps In The United States Sat, 28 Jan 2006 10:06:44 -0600 Summary: Not only are these “detention centers” (a friendly euphemism for prison camp or concentration camp) being set up for detaining (imprisoning) immigrants, but plans are also in the works to use these camps “in the event of an immigration emergency, as well as the development of a plan to react to a national emergency, such as a natural disaster.” The official story is that in such a scenario, they would be used to house law enforcement and relief support personnel. What else might these camps be used for? [Posted By ShiftShapers] By Business Editors Republished from Business Wire Contract awarded to Halliburton subsidiary KBR. ARLINGTON, Va.–(BUSINESS WIRE)–Jan. 24, 2006–KBR announced today that the Department of Homeland Security’s (DHS) U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) component has awarded KBR an Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ) contingency contract to support ICE facilities in the event of an emergency. KBR is the engineering and construction subsidiary of Halliburton (NYSE:HAL). With a maximum total value of $385 million over a five-year term, consisting of a one-year based period and four one-year options, the competitively awarded contract will be executed by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, Fort Worth District. KBR held the previous ICE contract from 2000 through 2005. “We are especially gratified to be awarded this contract because it builds on our extremely strong track record in the arena of emergency operations support,” said Bruce Stanski, executive vice president, KBR Government and Infrastructure. “We look forward to continuing the good work we have been doing to support our customer whenever and wherever we are needed.” The contract, which is effective immediately, provides for establishing temporary detention and processing capabilities to augment existing ICE Detention and Removal Operations (DRO) Program facilities in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs. [end excerpt] KBR awarded Homeland Security contract worth up to $385M US detention centers SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- KBR, the engineering and construction subsidiary of Halliburton Co. (HAL) , said Tuesday it has been awarded a contingency contract from the Department of Homeland Security to supports its Immigration and Customs Enforcement facilities in the event of an emergency. The maximum total value of the contract is $385 million and consists of a 1-year base period with four 1-year options. KBR held the previous ICE contract from 2000 through 2005. The contract, which is effective immediately, provides for establishing temporary detention and processing capabilities to expand existing ICE Detention and Removal Operations Program facilities in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs, KBR said. The contract may also provide migrant detention support to other government organizations in the event of an immigration emergency, as well as the development of a plan to react to a national emergency, such as a natural disaster, the company said. HR 6566 IH 112th CONGRESS 2d Session H. R. 6566 To amend the Homeland Security Act of 2002 to require the Administrator of the Federal Emergency Management Agency to provide guidance and coordination for mass fatality planning, and for other purposes. IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES September 28, 2012 Ms. RICHARDSON introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure, and in addition to the Committee on Homeland Security, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned A BILL To amend the Homeland Security Act of 2002 to require the Administrator of the Federal Emergency Management Agency to provide guidance and coordination for mass fatality planning, and for other purposes. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE. This Act may be cited as the ‘Mass Fatality Planning and Religious Considerations Act’. [image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/FEMA/Homeland-Security-Wyoming4.jpg[/image] [image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/FEMA/Homeland-Security-Wyoming2.jpg[/image] [image] http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/FEMA/Homeland-Security-Wyoming3.jpg[/image] [image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/FEMA/campOK.jpg[/image] [image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/FEMA/06012.jpg[/image] the main thing is that no one is fooled by the barbed wire and concentration camp look because that is just there for your protection should you be injured in the event of a natural or manmade disaster

jlf1961 -> RE: The Year in Hate and Extremism (3/7/2013 10:10:53 PM)
Why are all the sources for your stories seem to be right wing extremist websites, who cannot provide a valid source for the bullshit they are posting? I find it hard to believe that no other media news outlets failed to pick up on this, considering the date for the authorization is under the Bush administration? MSNBC would have been all over it.

Real0ne -> RE: The Year in Hate and Extremism (3/7/2013 10:20:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Why are all the sources for your stories seem to be right wing extremist websites, who cannot provide a valid source for the bullshit they are posting? I find it hard to believe that no other media news outlets failed to pick up on this, considering the date for the authorization is under the Bush administration? MSNBC would have been all over it. The Hidden Relationship Between Government and Media Rather than being a neutral conduit for the communication of information, the U.S. media plays an intricate role in shaping and controlling political opinions. Media is extremely powerful in the sense that without an adequate functioning media, it is virtually impossible for a sophisticated social structure like the U.S. Government to exist. Henceforth, all known sophisticated social structure, have always dependent upon the media’s ability to socialize. The U.S. government generally will exploit the media, often times manipulating the enormous power of the printed word. Ultimately empowering the U.S. government, strengthening it with the ability to determine and control the popular perception of reality. One way in which government achieves this objective, is by its ability to misuse the media’s ability to set the agenda. Contrary to popular belief, media is in fact an enormous hegemony. In fact, separate independent news organizations relatively do not exist. Rather than creating an independent structured agenda of there own, generally lesser smaller news organizations adapt to a prepared agenda, previously constructed by a higher medium. Based upon this information alone, it is quite apparent that media functions in adherence to the characteristics of a hierarchy. This simply means that media is structured in a way that it operates functioning from top to bottom. This is also identical to the hierarchical nature of the human body, in that from the commands of the brain transferred through the central nervous system, the body responds accordingly. In order for the U.S. government to control and determine the public’s popular perception of reality, the government must shape and oversee the information that the media reports to the existing populous. This particular process of democracy is known and referred to by political scientists as cognitive socialization. However, many of us, who do not adhere to the cushioning of political correctness, refer to it as the propaganda machine. Numerous political scientists consider cognitive socialization to be the most effective form of political socialization. According to theory, cognitive socialization is doctored up information, which is strategically fragmented in such a manipulative manner, that the probability of its rationalization is highly predictable. The manipulative properties of cognitive socialization are so diabolical and Machiavellian in nature, that I consider it to be the ultimate perversion of the democratic process. In all seriousness, numerous intellectuals, and gentleman held in good stature agree, that cognitive socialization is the product of an evil genius. "It is very interesting", Senator William Fulbright observed in Senate hearings on government and the media in 1966, "that so many of our prominent newspapers have become almost agents or adjuncts of the government; that they do not contest or even raise questions about government policy". This essay is devoted to uncovering the intentions of the U.S. Government, regarding the media. Recently, I had the pleasure of viewing a documentary, regarding Professor Noam Chomnskey on a book of his intitled Manufacturing Consent, democracy and the media. In this video, Mr. Chomskey comments on the unholy alliance between government and media. "Indoctrination is the essence of democracy" explains Mr. Chomskey in an interview

xssve -> RE: The Year in Hate and Extremism (3/8/2013 12:48:54 AM)
Just more NRA marketing, paranoia sells.

xssve -> RE: The Year in Hate and Extremism (3/8/2013 12:51:35 AM)
quote: BTW: I think Obama has already suspended the US constitution. I thought he did that when he signed the 2012 NDAA. He's still paying W's bills.

Jenniferloves -> RE: The Year in Hate and Extremism (3/8/2013 1:32:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: xssve quote: BTW: I think Obama has already suspended the US constitution. I thought he did that when he signed the 2012 NDAA. He's still paying W's bills. I think Obama ran up enough of his own bills in four years! Not long until $17 Trillion - *“Mr. O lets spend!”* It’s frightening to believe that this is real money... http://www.usadebtclock.com/ and just for clarity... let us see who spent what in office! Remember Obama has only did half the time in office than that of his predecessors Bush 43 and Clinton! http://www.usadebtclock.com/national-debt-history.php

jlf1961 -> RE: The Year in Hate and Extremism (3/8/2013 6:11:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 You did notice that the actual logo on the video was the onion logo followed by span, didnt you? Hate to disrupt your paranoid delusion, but it was a fake video. It was put out by the Onion back in 2008. well its real I just grabbed as usual the first thing that popped up LOL The video is real? You cant be serious. As I said, Congressmen do not read bills on the floor, the clerk does that, there has never been a congressman Haller from PA. And the Onion even admits it was faked. So how the fuck can it be real? quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne I have somewhere in the archives the signed documents that brought haliburton in to help with building them. Not sure I give that much of a shit to sift through all that shit to look it up however, and google where I kept it online has seen fit to delete most of the library I had oh fucking well. so............. another quick grab LOL Homeland Security To Build Detention Camps In The United States Sat, 28 Jan 2006 10:06:44 -0600 Summary: Not only are these “detention centers” (a friendly euphemism for prison camp or concentration camp) being set up for detaining (imprisoning) immigrants, but plans are also in the works to use these camps “in the event of an immigration emergency, as well as the development of a plan to react to a national emergency, such as a natural disaster.” The official story is that in such a scenario, they would be used to house law enforcement and relief support personnel. What else might these camps be used for? [Posted By ShiftShapers] By Business Editors Republished from Business Wire Contract awarded to Halliburton subsidiary KBR. ARLINGTON, Va.–(BUSINESS WIRE)–Jan. 24, 2006–KBR announced today that the Department of Homeland Security’s (DHS) U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) component has awarded KBR an Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ) contingency contract to support ICE facilities in the event of an emergency. KBR is the engineering and construction subsidiary of Halliburton (NYSE:HAL). With a maximum total value of $385 million over a five-year term, consisting of a one-year based period and four one-year options, the competitively awarded contract will be executed by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, Fort Worth District. KBR held the previous ICE contract from 2000 through 2005. “We are especially gratified to be awarded this contract because it builds on our extremely strong track record in the arena of emergency operations support,” said Bruce Stanski, executive vice president, KBR Government and Infrastructure. “We look forward to continuing the good work we have been doing to support our customer whenever and wherever we are needed.” The contract, which is effective immediately, provides for establishing temporary detention and processing capabilities to augment existing ICE Detention and Removal Operations (DRO) Program facilities in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs. [end excerpt] KBR awarded Homeland Security contract worth up to $385M US detention centers SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- KBR, the engineering and construction subsidiary of Halliburton Co. (HAL) , said Tuesday it has been awarded a contingency contract from the Department of Homeland Security to supports its Immigration and Customs Enforcement facilities in the event of an emergency. The maximum total value of the contract is $385 million and consists of a 1-year base period with four 1-year options. KBR held the previous ICE contract from 2000 through 2005. The contract, which is effective immediately, provides for establishing temporary detention and processing capabilities to expand existing ICE Detention and Removal Operations Program facilities in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs, KBR said. The contract may also provide migrant detention support to other government organizations in the event of an immigration emergency, as well as the development of a plan to react to a national emergency, such as a natural disaster, the company said. This is to expand existing ICE detention facilities to hold more illegal aliens in case of a massive influx of illegals across the Mexican border, not for American citizens for christ's sake quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne HR 6566 IH 112th CONGRESS 2d Session H. R. 6566 To amend the Homeland Security Act of 2002 to require the Administrator of the Federal Emergency Management Agency to provide guidance and coordination for mass fatality planning, and for other purposes. IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES September 28, 2012 Ms. RICHARDSON introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure, and in addition to the Committee on Homeland Security, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned A BILL To amend the Homeland Security Act of 2002 to require the Administrator of the Federal Emergency Management Agency to provide guidance and coordination for mass fatality planning, and for other purposes. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE. This Act may be cited as the ‘Mass Fatality Planning and Religious Considerations Act’. [image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/FEMA/Homeland-Security-Wyoming4.jpg[/image] [image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/FEMA/Homeland-Security-Wyoming2.jpg[/image] [image] http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/FEMA/Homeland-Security-Wyoming3.jpg[/image] Nice pictures, too bad they are not in Wyoming. quote: 1. North Korea/Wyoming detention center CLAIM: "There is a minimum of one confirmed concentration camp built on American soil in rural Wyoming. " The (Department of Homeland Security) accidentally placed these photos on a publicly accessible portion of their website " (but) they were pulled within one hour. " The images are not gone forever though." FACT: These actually are legitimate images of "forced-labor colonies, camps, and prisons"--in North Korea. The images were taken from "The Hidden Gulag: Exposing North Korea's Prison Camps," a report prepared by the Washington D.C.-based Committee for Human Rights in North Korea. Then someone manipulated the headers, photo dates and annotations. The original five images, showing a dorm for prisoners, forced-labor shops and guard towers, are here. (1, 2, 3, 4, 5) "When we first got the photos, we had no idea they were prison camps," said Matthew McKinzie, one of the men responsible for collecting the imagery. "The North Korean gulags are work gulags; the prisoners are forced to work and live in what look like North Korean villages. It wasn't until we began interviewing former prisoners that we knew what we were looking at." In the fakes, original maps and geographic coordinates have been covered by poorly pasted DHS logos. The whole thing may have been a hoax--the name of the made-up facility, "Swift Luck Greens," is an anagram for "Left Wing Suckers"--but it's evidence that once things get passed around the Internet, they can lose context and the wildest theory wins. Read more: FEMA Camps - Debunking FEMA Camp Myths - Popular Mechanics quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne [image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/FEMA/campOK.jpg[/image] [image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/FEMA/06012.jpg[/image] Even Glen Beck debunked these "Detention Camps" The El Reno Facility is actually a Minimum Security Federal Prison. It has been there for years. the main thing is that no one is fooled by the barbed wire and concentration camp look because that is just there for your protection should you be injured in the event of a natural or manmade disaster

Real0ne -> RE: The Year in Hate and Extremism (3/8/2013 7:43:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 to hold more illegal aliens in case of a massive influx of illegals across the Mexican border, not for American citizens for christ's sake I did not argue the video "pretending" I did does not look to good in a debate. Again since I knew it was true, since I had the signed documents up on google I picked the first thing I saw on goog, it would be your good fortune if subject matter were not true. How unfortunate for you. Good point! Considering how difficult it is for alaska to hold back all those mexicans! Do you have a citation on that please? The mexican insurgence problem in alaska and of course why would anyone look to other purposes after operation northwoods which was proven to be nothing more than a love in. Operation Northwoods From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Operation Northwoods was a series of [signed sealed and delivered] false flag proposals that originated within the United States government in 1962, [THE JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF, to be used against american citzens et al] but were rejected by the Kennedy administration.[2] The proposals called for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), or other operatives, to commit perceived acts of terrorism in U.S. cities and elsewhere. These acts of terrorism were to be blamed on Cuba in order to create public support for a war against that nation, which had recently become communist under Fidel Castro.[3] One part of Operation Northwoods was to "develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington". bad wording, not to commit perceived acts of terrorism but to commit acts of terrorism to create the perception of an attack by hostile terrorists. My my even wiki has industrial disease! Operation Northwoods proposals included hijackings and bombings followed by the introduction of phony evidence that would implicate the Cuban government. It stated: The desired resultant from the execution of this plan would be to place the United States in the apparent [perceived] position of suffering defensible grievances from a rash and irresponsible government of Cuba and to develop an international image of a Cuban threat to peace in the Western Hemisphere. Several other proposals were included within Operation Northwoods, including real or simulated actions against various U.S. military and civilian targets. The plan was drafted by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, signed by Chairman Lyman Lemnitzer and sent to the Secretary of Defense. Although part of the U.S. government's Cuban Project anti-communist initiative, Operation Northwoods was never officially accepted; it was authorized by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but then rejected by President John F. Kennedy. you can read about it here It worked so well for the reichstag why not try it here! Oh wait they did in 2001, and it worked! I forgot! Personally I just think its a good thing they have those around just in case there is an insurgency of inconvenient conspiracy theorists they need to take care of. Especially considering todays homeland security policy. [image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/tol-1.jpg[/image]

vincentML -> RE: The Year in Hate and Extremism (3/8/2013 7:53:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zonie63 quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: Zonie63 quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: This. I think it's blatantly obvious that my stated view -- "the existing US government is no longer legitimate because it has blatantly violated the constitution and does not even pretend to represent the interests of any but it's wealthiest donors/citizens" is certainly going down the treason path. It may or may not be fully there yet but it's certainly on that path. I'm cool with that. I bow blindly to no man or government. How can a government commit treason against itself? Where do you see that in the Constitution? Treason has a legal definition, Jeff. Let google be your friend. You don't think it's possible for government officials to violate their oath to the Constitution and betray the public trust? Do you think the government is above the law? Your position is shifting a bit. First you said: the existing US government is no longer legitimate because it has blatantly violated the Constitution I don't recall saying that. Please show me where I said that. You incorporated a quote from JeffBC without attribution in your reply. Hence the confusion. quote: Now you wonder if government officials can't violate their oath and betray the public trust. Neither meets the definition of Treason as established in Article Three of the US Constitution: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. Seems to me there is a distinction between Treason and disatisfaction with government policies, wouldn't you say? quote: Yes, there is, which would negate the argument you used in post #35 of this thread. Treason is defined as levying war against the United States. It doesn't say anything in there about the government, now does it? So, if the government makes war on its own people, then they are committing treason against the United States, wouldn't you say? It is a sophist and/or conspiratorial absurdity to seperate the government from the people from the nation in a representative democracy. Take care your tinfoil hat doesn't fall away.

Kirata -> RE: The Year in Hate and Extremism (3/8/2013 7:57:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML It is a sophist and/or conspiratorial absurdity to seperate the government from the people from the nation in a representative democracy. I agree that it should be. But as a practical matter, it isn't always. K.

vincentML -> RE: The Year in Hate and Extremism (3/8/2013 8:02:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML It is a sophist and/or conspiratorial absurdity to seperate the government from the people from the nation in a representative democracy. I agree that it should be. But as a practical matter, it isn't always. K. I would be interested in your citing an example of what you have in mind. [:)]

Real0ne -> RE: The Year in Hate and Extremism (3/8/2013 8:05:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML It is a sophist and/or conspiratorial absurdity to seperate the government from the people from the nation in a representative democracy. Take care your tinfoil hat doesn't fall away. Only if they are on equal footing and they are not. Take away ALL the guns from government and their authority to use them against people then make that statement, you might get more traction, until then the government are the "People" and we are the "people".

mnottertail -> RE: The Year in Hate and Extremism (3/8/2013 8:09:04 AM)
The majiscule and miniscule being a distinction without a difference. And having no grounding in other than tinfoil and hysterical insanities.

Real0ne -> RE: The Year in Hate and Extremism (3/8/2013 8:09:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: xssve Just more NRA marketing, paranoia sells. so does security

Real0ne -> RE: The Year in Hate and Extremism (3/8/2013 8:11:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail The majiscule and miniscule being a distinction without a difference. And having no grounding in other than tinfoil and hysterical insanities. Still working on your grammar huh http://www.sinclair.edu/centers/tlc/pub/handouts_worksheets/grammar_punctuation_writing/nouns_and_pronouns.pdf

vincentML -> RE: The Year in Hate and Extremism (3/8/2013 8:33:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML It is a sophist and/or conspiratorial absurdity to seperate the government from the people from the nation in a representative democracy. Take care your tinfoil hat doesn't fall away. Only if they are on equal footing and they are not. Take away ALL the guns from government and their authority to use them against people then make that statement, you might get more traction, until then the government are the "People" and we are the "people". Sure, lets do that . . . . and leave the people unprotected from foreign invasion. We'll put up your silly-ass militia group against the Chinese military. Where was your itty bitty militia when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor? What an ignorant idea. From an ignorant delusional world in which you abide. I would certainly hate to live my life burdened with such paranoia. Blah!

mnottertail -> RE: The Year in Hate and Extremism (3/8/2013 8:58:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail The majiscule and miniscule being a distinction without a difference. And having no grounding in other than tinfoil and hysterical insanities. Still working on your grammar huh http://www.sinclair.edu/centers/tlc/pub/handouts_worksheets/grammar_punctuation_writing/nouns_and_pronouns.pdf You are missing the question mark, because; after all, what better way to indicate that a statement is a question? And your grammar handout shows you are tinfoiling at your greatest level, as I have stated. Thanks for debunking yourself.

Kirata -> RE: The Year in Hate and Extremism (3/8/2013 9:26:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML It is a sophist and/or conspiratorial absurdity to seperate the government from the people from the nation in a representative democracy. I agree that it should be. But as a practical matter, it isn't always. I would be interested in your citing an example of what you have in mind. [:)] If you can't on your own think of any policies or actions undertaken by our government which do not embody the will of the American people, then I'd prefer not to put your stability at risk by becoming embroiled in what is obviously a job for a professional. K.

Zonie63 -> RE: The Year in Hate and Extremism (3/8/2013 9:32:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: Zonie63 quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: Zonie63 quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: This. I think it's blatantly obvious that my stated view -- "the existing US government is no longer legitimate because it has blatantly violated the constitution and does not even pretend to represent the interests of any but it's wealthiest donors/citizens" is certainly going down the treason path. It may or may not be fully there yet but it's certainly on that path. I'm cool with that. I bow blindly to no man or government. How can a government commit treason against itself? Where do you see that in the Constitution? Treason has a legal definition, Jeff. Let google be your friend. You don't think it's possible for government officials to violate their oath to the Constitution and betray the public trust? Do you think the government is above the law? Your position is shifting a bit. First you said: the existing US government is no longer legitimate because it has blatantly violated the Constitution I don't recall saying that. Please show me where I said that. You incorporated a quote from JeffBC without attribution in your reply. Hence the confusion. All I did was quote directly from your previous post. quote: quote: Now you wonder if government officials can't violate their oath and betray the public trust. Neither meets the definition of Treason as established in Article Three of the US Constitution: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. Seems to me there is a distinction between Treason and disatisfaction with government policies, wouldn't you say? quote: Yes, there is, which would negate the argument you used in post #35 of this thread. Treason is defined as levying war against the United States. It doesn't say anything in there about the government, now does it? So, if the government makes war on its own people, then they are committing treason against the United States, wouldn't you say? It is a sophist and/or conspiratorial absurdity to seperate the government from the people from the nation in a representative democracy. Take care your tinfoil hat doesn't fall away. Now whose position is shifting? In another thread (where you ran away from the discussion), you clearly stated that the system is rigged. And yet you accuse me of "conspiratorial absurdity" and throw in a cheap "tinfoil hat" remark to boot? It must take some nerve to be both audacious and mendacious at the same time. But I guess that's to be expected in American political discourse nowadays. I suppose my only question to you now is: How does it feel to be a contributor to the problem you outlined in your OP? You speak of hate and extremism, but all I can see is you pouring more gasoline on the fire with your incendiary rhetoric.

tweakabelle -> RE: The Year in Hate and Extremism (3/9/2013 3:22:04 AM)
Odd that all these rightwingers are convinced that the US Govt is treasonous. ..... The same people are constantly reminding us that their possession of arms isn't a gun fetish but are a guarantee "to protect the people against tyranny". Seems like the 'guarantee' turns out to be a one colossal dud.

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