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igor2003 -> RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case (3/8/2013 8:40:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun quote: ORIGINAL: igor2003 Here is what you wrote in post #74, " while returning to his truck with keys in his hand", and that is also one of the things Zimmerman said. Now you are saying he wasn't going to his truck and instead, he was waiting for the police. Both you and Zimmerman should stick to just one story. I am sticking to one story. Thing is, the story does stretch out over a period of time, and isn't all simultaneous. Thus, imagine this, there's a period of time where George waited for the police, before finally deciding to go back to his truck. This isn't rocket science. quote: The fact is, that Zimmerman said he was knocked down IMMEDIATELY. Not after 3-5 seconds. Falling to the ground upon being punched in the face would seep pretty immediate. Immediate can mean "instantaneously" but it doesn't have to. If I were punched in the face, staggering several feet before hitting to the ground, I'd probably describe it the same way George did. You're arguing semantics that's likely to not cause any issue in court. quote: Good advice...please heed it!. I'm the one that is. You should do the same. You can put all kinds of spin on your version of the "facts", but just like Zimmerman's many variations, the more you spin the less credibility you have.

Raiikun -> RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case (3/8/2013 8:41:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Oh right.....you would have done something else......[8\|] Having had the opportunity to carefully observe the muzzle of a 9mm up close and personal, I can confidently say you bet. When the fellow inquired as to my comprehension of the situation, my prompt and unhesitating reply was: "Yes sir, how can I help you?" K. That, and of course the fact that there's absolutely zero evidence the gun was ever unholstered until the instant before it was fired. There's no evidence George tried to restrain anyone at gunpoint.

Raiikun -> RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case (3/8/2013 8:42:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: igor2003 You can put all kinds of spin on your version of the "facts", but just like Zimmerman's many variations, the more you spin the less credibility you have. Then I oughtta be pretty darned credible, as my facts are directly based on what's in evidence.

Kirata -> RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case (3/8/2013 8:48:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun That, and of course the fact that there's absolutely zero evidence the gun was ever unholstered until the instant before it was fired. There's no evidence George tried to restrain anyone at gunpoint. I realize that, but consider the source of the question and the likely outcome of provoking people whose connection to reality is tenuous. K.

LizDeluxe -> RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case (3/8/2013 8:50:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessManko Creepy old man chasing teenage kid at night. I wonder why he was scared. Lmao. Ps:I am not vanilla 22 is now teenager? Look it up.

RacerJim -> RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case (3/8/2013 9:07:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: RacerJim quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: RacerJim quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Obviously.......Zimmy getting caught lying under oath has his sycophants grasping and hoping for something similar......Ha ha....[:D] If/when both sides get caught lying under oath the law, innocent until proven guilty, favors the Defendant......HA HA Are you saying it's OK for someone to lie under oath and get away with killing someone because a witness on the other side lied? Nope. Just saying what the law says. Of course, some might consider it payback for OJ lying under oath and getting away with murdering two people. Would you feel differently if Martin had spotted Zimmerman following him and doubletapped him? I don't feel anything about hypotheticals.

Raiikun -> RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case (3/8/2013 9:18:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun That, and of course the fact that there's absolutely zero evidence the gun was ever unholstered until the instant before it was fired. There's no evidence George tried to restrain anyone at gunpoint. I realize that, but consider the source of the question and the likely outcome of provoking people whose connection to reality is tenuous. K. True. I wasn't trying to invalidate your response (as I think it's a fair response), I just think it's important enough to continue to remind some that there's no evidence to support their theories of George being the aggressor. Just kinda like there's still no evidence of George lying under oath.

Owner59 -> RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case (3/8/2013 9:19:05 AM)
Translation.....yes but to afraid to admit it....

tj444 -> RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case (3/8/2013 9:28:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 I dont see what she was doing on the day of the funeral as having any relevance at all.. why would anyone even ask that question? There could be any number of reasons why she wasnt there, which are really no one elses business but hers.. So cuz she didnt go, she didnt show the "correct" amount of grief? [8\|] You don't see why lying under oath should matter? Seriously? K. gee,.. where did I say that? I said I dont see what relevance where she was on the day of the funeral makes (what does that have to do with the night of the murder?) or why anyone would ask the question.. I never said anywhere that lying under oath shouldnt matter.. Totally different things.. nice try at twisting what I said tho..

Raiikun -> RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case (3/8/2013 9:32:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 I dont see what she was doing on the day of the funeral as having any relevance at all.. why would anyone even ask that question? There could be any number of reasons why she wasnt there, which are really no one elses business but hers.. So cuz she didnt go, she didnt show the "correct" amount of grief? [8\|] You don't see why lying under oath should matter? Seriously? K. gee,.. where did I say that? I said I dont see what relevance where she was on the day of the funeral makes (what does that have to do with the night of the murder?) or why anyone would ask the question.. I never said anywhere that lying under oath shouldnt matter.. Totally different things.. nice try at twisting what I said tho.. The question pertained to why it took so long for her to come forward. The Defense seems to be going with the theory that what she heard doesn't help the State against George and that the reason it took so long for Crump etc to reveal her was so her testimony could be coached. After all, the Martin family and their lawyers effectively hid this witness from the Police for some time, until after they got George's NEN call etc released. The claim that she was so distraught that she was in the hospital is part of that. So the revelation that she lied under oath about that detail, while not directly relevant to what happened the night of 2/26...it's still a lie under oath, which destroys her credibility on anything else she says under oath.

DomYngBlk -> RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case (3/8/2013 9:41:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun quote: ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun quote: ORIGINAL: Ungovernable With due respect Mr, Raiikun, I would ask how you came by the knowledge that allows you to know that it unfolded the way you claim but I have read enough fox news bullshit to know it when I see it. You should view the video of this punk being led into the jail. He is bald so there are no injuries hidden by hair. You can see his entire head, face and shirt and there is no visible blood or injury of any kind. There are issues with that video. It was taken by someone pointing a recording device at a video screen causing it to be such low resolution that injuries weren't apparent. Fortunately there are photos from the scene itself that show the real story: [image]http://images.tbd.com/crime/george-zimmerman-new-photo-gzlegalcase.jpg[/image] [image]http://media.trb.com/media/photo/2012-04/69509068.jpg[/image] [image]http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/YDqs7GFmVRCuOF6ntYIphw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Y2g9MTM5Mjtjcj0xO2N3PTIwNjA7ZHg9MDtkeT0wO2ZpPXVsY3JvcDtoPTQyNjtxPTg1O3c9NjMw/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ap_webfeeds/c0b26770e631ee0d0f0f6a706700e098.jpg[/image] Kidding. He killed the boy for beating him up? Thats what you are going with? Thats not much of a beating at all. Nope, evidence is he pulled the weapon and fired as a last resort because Trayvon wouldn't stop beating him up and wouldn't let him escape. Even a guy coming out and telling them he was calling the police didn't cease Trayvon's attack. And anyone pinned to the ground, unable to escape, taking multiple head injuries would have reasonable fear of imminent serious bodily injury, thus justifying lethal force in self defense per Florida law. Those injuries so a threat to his life or serious bodily injury? He got his ass kicked. His lil make believe vigilante mind couldn't grasp it so he shot him.....

Kirata -> RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case (3/8/2013 9:43:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata You don't see why lying under oath should matter? Seriously? gee/.. where did I say that? I said I dont see what relevance where she was on the day of the funeral makes... Okay, fair call. But if I was deposing her, my reason for such a question would be to test her willingness to tell the truth about something she might rather not admit. And that has all the relevance in the world to the rest of her testimony. K.

Raiikun -> RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case (3/8/2013 9:53:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk Those injuries so a threat to his life or serious bodily injury? He got his ass kicked. His lil make believe vigilante mind couldn't grasp it so he shot him..... No, he shot him because the beating was still happening despite his screaming for help for nearly a minute and being unable to escape Trayvon's attack. You should pay closer attention to the evidence. A witness saw Trayvon on top of George moments before the shot, with George struggling and unable to get up. The shot and screams for help are recorded, and the screaming continued up until the shot. The forensics of the gunshot place Trayvon on top of George at the moment the gun was fired. One would think that would be sufficient for any reasonable person to believe it's possible George shot only as a last resort to save his own life.

tj444 -> RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case (3/8/2013 10:15:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata You don't see why lying under oath should matter? Seriously? gee/.. where did I say that? I said I dont see what relevance where she was on the day of the funeral makes... Okay, fair call. But if I was deposing her, my reason for such a question would be to test her willingness to tell the truth about something she might rather not admit. And that has all the relevance in the world to the rest of her testimony. K. so asking when she first had sex and with how many men since would also be questions to test her willingness to tell the truth??? These types of questions are private and none of anyone elses business.. I have not attended funerals that I should have and my reasons for that are my own.. they are personal and private to me.. I am a private person and would be offended by someone questioning me about that.. Its not like there arent other less personal questions that could have been asked that would test her willingness to tell the truth..

Kirata -> RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case (3/8/2013 10:16:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk Those injuries so a threat to his life or serious bodily injury? He got his ass kicked. His lil make believe vigilante mind couldn't grasp it so he shot him..... You're right, they're not, but it's still a thin argument. The only reason his injuries weren't more serious is because he shot Martin instead of politely waiting until he was brain-damaged or worse. I mean seriously, give it a break. K.

RacerJim -> RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case (3/8/2013 10:19:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 quote: ORIGINAL: RacerJim quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: RacerJim quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Obviously.......Zimmy getting caught lying under oath has his sycophants grasping and hoping for something similar......Ha ha....[:D] If/when both sides get caught lying under oath the law, innocent until proven guilty, favors the Defendant......HA HA Are you saying it's OK for someone to lie under oath and get away with killing someone because a witness on the other side lied? Nope. Just saying what the law says. Of course, some might consider it payback for OJ lying under oath and getting away with murdering two people. Oh really.......a lawyer now?[sm=rofl.gif] Show us the case law .....[:D] So.......innocent until proven guilty isn't the law anymore? Show me the SCOTUS ruling.

tj444 -> RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case (3/8/2013 10:30:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 I dont see what she was doing on the day of the funeral as having any relevance at all.. why would anyone even ask that question? There could be any number of reasons why she wasnt there, which are really no one elses business but hers.. So cuz she didnt go, she didnt show the "correct" amount of grief? [8\|] You don't see why lying under oath should matter? Seriously? K. gee,.. where did I say that? I said I dont see what relevance where she was on the day of the funeral makes (what does that have to do with the night of the murder?) or why anyone would ask the question.. I never said anywhere that lying under oath shouldnt matter.. Totally different things.. nice try at twisting what I said tho.. The question pertained to why it took so long for her to come forward. The Defense seems to be going with the theory that what she heard doesn't help the State against George and that the reason it took so long for Crump etc to reveal her was so her testimony could be coached. After all, the Martin family and their lawyers effectively hid this witness from the Police for some time, until after they got George's NEN call etc released. The claim that she was so distraught that she was in the hospital is part of that. So the revelation that she lied under oath about that detail, while not directly relevant to what happened the night of 2/26...it's still a lie under oath, which destroys her credibility on anything else she says under oath. I did not read anything about this witness being "hidden" or anything other than what this (OP) article states.. from accounts I have read, she told the same consistent things about the night of the murder repeatedly when questioned... if her version of the events of that night had kept changing then that would indicate she was lying, that is not the case however..

Kirata -> RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case (3/8/2013 10:30:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 These types of questions are private and none of anyone elses business.. In the case of what she was doing instead of attenting Martin's funeral, the question goes directly to the nature of her claimed relationship with Martin. And while you can whine all you want about it being inappropriate and a "private" matter, the fact remains that she was asked it and she lied. K.

RacerJim -> RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case (3/8/2013 10:35:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle Comparing the XYZ axes of the cellphones is going to be great, too. "Who was where" is pretty clear. Anyone own a FitBug? Like that. Comparing the time-line (from the cellphone calls) to the X-Y co-ordinates of the cellphones is going to be great indeed. It will put Travon Martin at the townhouse where he was staying a couple seconds more than 2 minutes after Zimmerman tells the 911 dispatcher that he has lost sight of who he was followiing (Martin) and is heading back to his truck to wait for the police. If Travon was indeed scared of Zimmerman all he had to was unlock the door, go inside, lock the door, call the police and stay inside until police arrived.

Raiikun -> RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case (3/8/2013 10:50:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 I did not read anything about this witness being "hidden" or anything other than what this (OP) article states.. from accounts I have read, she told the same consistent things about the night of the murder repeatedly when questioned... if her version of the events of that night had kept changing then that would indicate she was lying, that is not the case however.. When the police asked Tracy Martin for the code to access Trayvon's phone, Tracy Martin declined, saying he'd ask his lawyer first (Crump). They found W8 themselves and revealed her after March 20th. And her statements have been far from consistent. She both contradicts herself and other known evidence. In fact, ABC released some of her initial interview with Crump that was missing from Crump's recording, and in it, you can hear her say something, then Crump all but tell her "Can you please say these words"...and that part of the conversation was missing from Crump's recording that he gave to law enforcement.

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