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RacerJim -> RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case (3/8/2013 11:02:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun quote: ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk Those injuries so a threat to his life or serious bodily injury? He got his ass kicked. His lil make believe vigilante mind couldn't grasp it so he shot him..... No, he shot him because the beating was still happening despite his screaming for help for nearly a minute and being unable to escape Trayvon's attack. You should pay closer attention to the evidence. A witness saw Trayvon on top of George moments before the shot, with George struggling and unable to get up. The shot and screams for help are recorded, and the screaming continued up until the shot. The forensics of the gunshot place Trayvon on top of George at the moment the gun was fired. One would think that would be sufficient for any reasonable person to believe it's possible George shot only as a last resort to save his own life. The most pertinent wordage of your post being, of course, "any reasonable person". That, of course, eliminates Travon Martin supporters like "DomYngBlk"who unreasonably profer that George Zimmerman should have simply let Travon pummel/pound him until he lost consciousness and, of course, eventually bleed out and die.

tj444 -> RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case (3/8/2013 2:14:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 These types of questions are private and none of anyone elses business.. In the case of what she was doing instead of attenting Martin's funeral, the question goes directly to the nature of her claimed relationship with Martin. And while you can whine all you want about it being inappropriate and a "private" matter, the fact remains that she was asked it and she lied. K. ahhhh, I see,.. so if she had gone to the funeral then that would have to mean he meant everything to her? that is not necessarily true, going to someones funeral can be (& frequently is) just for show and just cuz its "expected".. no matter how much you might have actually hated the person.. For some people (like me), I prefer to remember the person how they were as I last saw them, not as a stiff dead body (like the funerals I was forced to attend for my grandparents when I was a little kid).. There can be other reasons too, like not wanting to be swarmed by the media and have your pic taken, mics stuck in your face, etc just cuz you are at someones funeral.. I dont know what kind of media attention the case was getting at that time but I suspect that Martins family had been trying to get that attention then too (which they eventually did get).. Imo, people that think there is a correlation between how you felt for someone and if you attended their funeral are those that hang on every word from that horrible Nancy Grace's mouth.. its the same judgemental viewpoint.. [:'(] I am not disputing that she lied, but I think she did that simply to give a reason to the family and to avoid being judged harshly by them for not going.. it just snowballed into the family telling their lawyer and then the lawyer asking her, etc etc.. She is just a kid and likely much more susceptible to those kinds of pressures, imo.. When I was 21 my father tried to get me to go to my uncle's funeral and I just couldnt go,.. I told him I couldnt get time off work (yes, a lie).. He was my very fav uncle and I had a lot of affection for him.. going to his funeral and knowing he died too young & in a horrible helicopter crash was just something I could not handle..

Owner59 -> RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case (3/8/2013 2:47:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RacerJim quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun quote: ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk Those injuries so a threat to his life or serious bodily injury? He got his ass kicked. His lil make believe vigilante mind couldn't grasp it so he shot him..... No, he shot him because the beating was still happening despite his screaming for help for nearly a minute and being unable to escape Trayvon's attack. You should pay closer attention to the evidence. A witness saw Trayvon on top of George moments before the shot, with George struggling and unable to get up. The shot and screams for help are recorded, and the screaming continued up until the shot. The forensics of the gunshot place Trayvon on top of George at the moment the gun was fired. One would think that would be sufficient for any reasonable person to believe it's possible George shot only as a last resort to save his own life. The most pertinent wordage of your post being, of course, "any reasonable person". That, of course, eliminates Travon Martin supporters like "DomYngBlk"who unreasonably profer that George Zimmerman should have simply let Travon pummel/pound him until he lost consciousness and, of course, eventually bleed out and die. Does self defense from an armed stranger need to be explained or defended? No... Why does george`s rights supersede Martin`s rights? They don`t... Of course......all that lying under oath by george, doesn`t look good.....

Kirata -> RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case (3/8/2013 2:53:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 I am not disputing that she lied, but I think she did that simply to give a reason to the family and to avoid being judged harshly by them for not going.. Well that's fine. But given the circus of hate that erupted following the shooting, what else might she lie about "to avoid being judged harshly"? K.

tj444 -> RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case (3/8/2013 3:25:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 I am not disputing that she lied, but I think she did that simply to give a reason to the family and to avoid being judged harshly by them for not going.. Well that's fine. But given the circus of hate that erupted following the shooting, what else might she lie about "to avoid being judged harshly"? K. she is not the one on trial for murder and I dont think she has sought the spotlight and my impression is that she prefer to be left alone & not be part of it at all.. the evidence will be presented at trial, the exact time she was on the phone and the exact time Martin was killed.. and it will be up to the jury what they decide..

BamaD -> RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case (3/8/2013 8:51:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 These types of questions are private and none of anyone elses business.. In the case of what she was doing instead of attenting Martin's funeral, the question goes directly to the nature of her claimed relationship with Martin. And while you can whine all you want about it being inappropriate and a "private" matter, the fact remains that she was asked it and she lied. K. ahhhh, I see,.. so if she had gone to the funeral then that would have to mean he meant everything to her? that is not necessarily true, going to someones funeral can be (& frequently is) just for show and just cuz its "expected".. no matter how much you might have actually hated the person.. For some people (like me), I prefer to remember the person how they were as I last saw them, not as a stiff dead body (like the funerals I was forced to attend for my grandparents when I was a little kid).. There can be other reasons too, like not wanting to be swarmed by the media and have your pic taken, mics stuck in your face, etc just cuz you are at someones funeral.. I dont know what kind of media attention the case was getting at that time but I suspect that Martins family had been trying to get that attention then too (which they eventually did get).. Imo, people that think there is a correlation between how you felt for someone and if you attended their funeral are those that hang on every word from that horrible Nancy Grace's mouth.. its the same judgemental viewpoint.. [:'(] I am not disputing that she lied, but I think she did that simply to give a reason to the family and to avoid being judged harshly by them for not going.. it just snowballed into the family telling their lawyer and then the lawyer asking her, etc etc.. She is just a kid and likely much more susceptible to those kinds of pressures, imo.. When I was 21 my father tried to get me to go to my uncle's funeral and I just couldnt go,.. I told him I couldnt get time off work (yes, a lie).. He was my very fav uncle and I had a lot of affection for him.. going to his funeral and knowing he died too young & in a horrible helicopter crash was just something I could not handle.. If she did or did not go to the funeral is of no importance, that she lied about it in her disposition is.

BamaD -> RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case (3/8/2013 8:53:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 I am not disputing that she lied, but I think she did that simply to give a reason to the family and to avoid being judged harshly by them for not going.. Well that's fine. But given the circus of hate that erupted following the shooting, what else might she lie about "to avoid being judged harshly"? K. she is not the one on trial for murder and I dont think she has sought the spotlight and my impression is that she prefer to be left alone & not be part of it at all.. the evidence will be presented at trial, the exact time she was on the phone and the exact time Martin was killed.. and it will be up to the jury what they decide.. No she isn't she is just a key witness to put someone awayfor life, wouldn't it be nice if she told the truth.

Nosathro -> RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case (3/9/2013 3:11:22 AM)
[sm=popcorn.gif] You know I am all for a good debate, but as to the important of this issue I wonder, OMara has not even mentioned the issue on the website. http://www.gzlegalcase.com/

Raiikun -> RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case (3/9/2013 5:28:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Why does george`s rights supersede Martin`s rights? They don`t... George is the one on trial, hence his legal rights are the ones that matter. quote: Of course......all that lying under oath by george, doesn`t look good..... Not a single lie under oath by George has been demonstrated yet to date.

Raiikun -> RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case (3/9/2013 5:34:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD If she did or did not go to the funeral is of no importance, that she lied about it in her disposition is. Precisely. If she's willing to lie under oath for something minor like that, then what else is she willing to lie about? Especially given the other contradictions in her testimony, and the significant witness coaching. I think that Crump etc knew that her story wouldn't hold up under scrutiny, hence why he tried so hard to hide her under the guise of being a traumatized 16 year old minor (when in fact she was 18 at the time of the shooting and 19 now for instance).

tj444 -> RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case (3/9/2013 5:42:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD No she isn't she is just a key witness to put someone awayfor life, wouldn't it be nice if she told the truth. imo, what she has said about the night of the murder is the truth.. Zimmy has tried to claim that he turned around and TM came after him and attacked him.. that to me is not logical or believeable.. someone that is following and attacking someone is not going to be on the phone (to the girl) while he is doing that (which means Zimmy was the attacker).. so imo, it would be nice if Zimmy finally told the truth.. You (& the other Zimmy supporters) believe what you want to, you arent going to change my mind about what I personally believe.. not that any of that really matters cuz in the end its up to the jury to decide his fate.. end of story..

Raiikun -> RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case (3/9/2013 5:51:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 imo, what she has said about the night of the murder is the truth.. Except what she says so badly contradicts the evidence it's not funny. quote: Zimmy has tried to claim that he turned around and TM came after him and attacked him.. that to me is not logical or believeable.. This, however, is actually supported by the evidence. What a lot of people don't get, is that where Zimmerman was attacked was 20-30 seconds away from his truck, in the same spot that he agreed with the dispatcher that he didn't have to follow. This girl says that Trayvon said he was "right by his dad's house" then George caught up, and that's hundreds of feet away from where the encounter started. There simply is no evidence at all that George continued chasing Trayvon after he agreed with dispatch that he didn't have to anymore. quote: You (& the other Zimmy supporters) believe what you want to, you arent going to change my mind about what I personally believe.. And what you personally belief has no bearing on what the evidence proves or doesn't prove. This is why George's defense team is so confident on the acquittal, they're fine with letting the Judge rule on immunity AFTER the verdict.

tazzygirl -> RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case (3/9/2013 5:56:09 AM)
quote: I think that Crump etc knew that her story wouldn't hold up under scrutiny, hence why he tried so hard to hide her under the guise of being a traumatized 16 year old minor (when in fact she was 18 at the time of the shooting and 19 now for instance). Thats not perjury. Where she was during the funeral has no bearing on the case. Can it lead to her credibility being diminished? Certainly. But attempting to go after this young woman for "perjury" based upon those two statements would be laughable. quote: You are only guilty of perjury if the facts you lie about directly influence the outcome of the case for which you are testifying. For instance, lying about your age in a case that will not be affected one way or the other by your age is not considered perjury. http://www.danieljensenlaw.com/articles/perjury/

Raiikun -> RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case (3/9/2013 5:56:23 AM)
Oh and here's a lame picture thrown together on a laptop with no mouse to demonstrate why there's no way to prove any kind of real chase: [image]local://upfiles/749220/2CE6F0471C604A4DBB46120DD968D115.jpg[/image]

Raiikun -> RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case (3/9/2013 6:00:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Thats not perjury. I didn't claim it was.

tazzygirl -> RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case (3/9/2013 6:02:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LizDeluxe quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessManko Creepy old man chasing teenage kid at night. I wonder why he was scared. Lmao. Ps:I am not vanilla 22 is now teenager? Look it up. You are a few days late.. definitely a few dollars short... as usual Liz

tazzygirl -> RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case (3/9/2013 6:07:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Oh right.....you would have done something else......[8\|] Having had the opportunity to carefully observe the muzzle of a 9mm up close and personal, I can confidently say you bet. When the fellow inquired as to my comprehension of the situation, my prompt and unhesitating reply was: "Yes sir, how can I help you?" K. [sm=rofl.gif] Spoken like an man who was definitely born in a different generation.

thishereboi -> RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case (3/9/2013 8:14:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 My staulker is back......[:D] I think the word you are looking for is stalker. And I was merely pointing out certain key words to help illustrate the point when you said "There are also a whole lotta folks who see this as their own political football.......and not what it really is....a horrible tragedy." Can I help it if most of your posts fit that profile?

Nosathro -> RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case (3/9/2013 10:17:11 AM)
What I find really funny about all this is that many here defended Shellie Zimmerman, now she is charged with perjury, her trial is scheduled for sometime in April. She lost her motion to have the charge dismissed.[sm=biggrin.gif] I keep thinking Shellie is white Martin girl friend is black...

Raiikun -> RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case (3/9/2013 12:48:07 PM)
Funny thing about Shellie's trial, is that 1) the charging document for her case edits out her testimony, thus making it a document signed by the State swearing it to be true...that has information on it that isn't, and 2) it doesn't actually ever list a statement by Shellie that it claims to be untrue and why. So, IMO Shellie is no more likely to be convicted of perjury than W8 is, if for a different reason. Though it was funny to see the prosecution get all evasive when reporters were asking if W8 would get charged with perjury for lying under oath.

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