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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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And of course not it said the government could enfringe your right to buy one it said nothing about the government buying it for you. It is a right not an entitlement.

From what I can make out, the 2nd Amendment does not, in fact, talk about 'right to buy' at all. The entire text is:

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

So, if the government, through its agents (police or army), acts to stop someone stealing guns from a gun-shop, it *is* infringing the gun-thief's right to keep and bear arms.

As far as I can see, there are only two options for a government here: either stay out of of any battle between gun-shop-proprietor and gun-thief, or provide guns free of charge to all who ask for them.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Yet liberal NY had the lowest gun murder rate in 2012 -- due to getting guns off the streets.

Deciding whether that's a good idea or not is one thing; pretending that looser laws inherently create lower murder rates is just not true.

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Bloomberg compared New York’s murder rate — the lowest rate per 100,000 residents amongst the 25 most populated cities — to other famous cities in the country.

If the city had the murder rate of Chicago, cops would be investigating more than 1,400 homicides this year, Bloomberg said. If the city had Detroit’s murder rate, cops would be called to more than 4,400 killings this year, he added.

Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said that the drop in murders and shootings stem from a wide range of strategies that include deploying more officers in crime-ridden areas and the controversial stop-and-frisk tactic.

“We’re taking 8,000 weapons annually out of the hands of people we stop, 800 of them illegal guns,” Kelly said.

Guns are the leading cause of murders in the city this year, killing 237 people.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/murders-fall-record-city-article-1.1229273#ixzz2NcnEHmDJ

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ORIGINAL: FunCouple5280

Didn't a judge just tell him he couldn't ban sodas anymore? Didn't the NAACP join with the beverage companies in suing NYC? Funny stuff

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Yet liberal NY had the lowest gun murder rate in 2012 -- due to getting guns off the streets.

Deciding whether that's a good idea or not is one thing; pretending that looser laws inherently create lower murder rates is just not true.

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Bloomberg compared New York’s murder rate — the lowest rate per 100,000 residents amongst the 25 most populated cities — to other famous cities in the country.

If the city had the murder rate of Chicago, cops would be investigating more than 1,400 homicides this year, Bloomberg said. If the city had Detroit’s murder rate, cops would be called to more than 4,400 killings this year, he added.

Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said that the drop in murders and shootings stem from a wide range of strategies that include deploying more officers in crime-ridden areas and the controversial stop-and-frisk tactic.

“We’re taking 8,000 weapons annually out of the hands of people we stop, 800 of them illegal guns,” Kelly said.

Guns are the leading cause of murders in the city this year, killing 237 people.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/murders-fall-record-city-article-1.1229273#ixzz2NcnEHmDJ

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

No guns don't solve problems in my world but 20ish drug dealers don't run from unarmed 60ish home owners even if they don't have a gun either. (Based on actual experiance)

One point is certain, wherever in the world there is illegal drugs, there are illegal firearms. The two are known to be interlinked by the police, justice ministries and anyone who chooses to inspect the matter.

If one can buy cocaine, heroin, or some other powerful smuggled narcotic in any location, it is certain a 9mm handgun, or submachinegun is also for sale, for those who import the one certainly import the other.

The twenty year old would not have the powerful weapons he does without the drugs he is selling.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Yet liberal NY had the lowest gun murder rate in 2012 -- due to getting guns off the streets.

Deciding whether that's a good idea or not is one thing; pretending that looser laws inherently create lower murder rates is just not true.

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Bloomberg compared New York’s murder rate — the lowest rate per 100,000 residents amongst the 25 most populated cities — to other famous cities in the country.

If the city had the murder rate of Chicago, cops would be investigating more than 1,400 homicides this year, Bloomberg said. If the city had Detroit’s murder rate, cops would be called to more than 4,400 killings this year, he added.

Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said that the drop in murders and shootings stem from a wide range of strategies that include deploying more officers in crime-ridden areas and the controversial stop-and-frisk tactic.

“We’re taking 8,000 weapons annually out of the hands of people we stop, 800 of them illegal guns,” Kelly said.

Guns are the leading cause of murders in the city this year, killing 237 people.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/murders-fall-record-city-article-1.1229273#ixzz2NcnEHmDJ

And pretending that muders by weapons that aren't guns don't count.