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RE: gun control and tragedies - 3/10/2013 5:34:09 PM   
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Tazzy, I actually find it surprising so many of the left cannot distinguish the map for the terrain. You find it necessary to point to Party. It's not Party, it's agenda and both parties are complicit.


Then why make it "liberal" ideology?

Are you now saying those conservatives in the House are now pushing a more liberal agenda?

Now, considering this law has been around since 1990... and bills have been proposed to change that law linger in subcommittee....

I would point out that its more Conservatism that is keeping the laws as they are. If you wish to point the blame anywhere, you need to look at the history of the complainants, the history of the law they are complaining about and the history of those who are doing nothing about it.

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RE: gun control and tragedies - 3/10/2013 5:48:42 PM   
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Yes, it *is* why Focus's opinions are respected, Kirata. Outside of America, anyway.

So now you're authorized to speak for everyone outside America, eh?



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No, only the adults.




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RE: gun control and tragedies - 3/10/2013 6:07:33 PM   
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Lmao, love the irony!

Thanks. How do you like the way your gun ban is working out?



Kewl, eh?

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RE: gun control and tragedies - 3/10/2013 6:15:39 PM   
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If only Americans would listen to sense.

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RE: gun control and tragedies - 3/10/2013 6:48:17 PM   
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No, only the adults.

Presumably those would be the ones who haven't been assaulted or raped yet, right?

I mean, just for example, you guys have more than double the U.S. rate of rape, and even that's probably a low estimate.

Hidden rape ‘epidemic’ is revealed by crime survey
Cops make victims drop rape claims

Of course, I guess you can at least take comfort in the fact that they couldn't defend themselves.

K.


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RE: gun control and tragedies - 3/10/2013 7:10:40 PM   
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Then why make it "liberal" ideology?



Because it is. The progressive agenda is of the liberal left.


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RE: gun control and tragedies - 3/10/2013 7:34:54 PM   
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Presumably those would be the ones who haven't been assaulted or raped yet, right?


Wow - being armed reduces a woman's chance of being raped? How do you think that works, K - a woman dances up close to a man in a nightclub and pokes her gun lovingly but firmly into his groin to warn that a kiss is fine, but to go no further?

You know, call me illogical, but I have a sneaking feeling that ownership of a gun actually has almost nothing to absolutely fuck all to do with rates of rape. Assuming that this is recorded the same way in the UK as it is in the USA, natch.


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RE: gun control and tragedies - 3/10/2013 8:05:49 PM   
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You're advocating that everyone go armed...

There you go again, thinking that the thoughts in your head are coming from somewhere else.

Let me know when you find the post where I "advocated" that.

I quoted you making that statement and you edited it out.

So here it is again:
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I think it's more the case that you are bent on waving away the fact that none of the mass shootings you cite, or most of the others, would have ever have become mass shootings if any of the victims or onlookers had been armed.



That statement does not advocate everyone going armed, no matter what the voices in your head are telling you.

K.

How exactly do you guarantee that an armed person will be present to counter these attacks if everyone is not armed? This is pretty simple math.

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RE: gun control and tragedies - 3/10/2013 8:07:46 PM   
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Lmao, love the irony!

Thanks. How do you like the way your gun ban is working out?



Kewl, eh?

K.


Want to bet that the slope of that graph matches the rate of population increase in Australia? Please stop posting such obvious claptrap.

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RE: gun control and tragedies - 3/10/2013 8:38:04 PM   
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Want to bet that the slope of that graph matches the rate of population increase in Australia? Please stop posting such obvious claptrap.


It could well correlate to the increase in numbers of kangaroos, Ken. Has anybody checked this? I think we should be told.

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RE: gun control and tragedies - 3/10/2013 8:44:00 PM   
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Want to bet that the slope of that graph matches the rate of population increase in Australia? Please stop posting such obvious claptrap.

Sure, I'd love to. I'll go all in. How much ya got? Put it up.

The trend in assaults shows an average growth of five percent each year from 1995 to 2007, four times the annual growth of the Australian population in the same period.

It would save you a lot of embarrassment if you would actually read the posts you grace with these wildly bizarre responses. I realize that your anti-gun bias impairs your contact with reality, but you could at least make an effort.

K.

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RE: gun control and tragedies - 3/10/2013 8:49:50 PM   
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Want to bet that the slope of that graph matches the rate of population increase in Australia? Please stop posting such obvious claptrap.

It could well correlate to the increase in numbers of kangaroos, Ken. Has anybody checked this? I think we should be told.

I guess you'd have to be told, since apparently you can't read either.

We could make a movie out of this: "The Attack of the Illiterate Intelligensia."

Would you like to put some money down with Ken?

K.


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RE: gun control and tragedies - 3/10/2013 9:02:01 PM   
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How exactly do you guarantee that an armed person will be present to counter these attacks if everyone is not armed? This is pretty simple math.

Ah, now I see the problem. Okay, here's the thing: It's not math. It's English. I know, I know, you weren't expecting that. But just accept it. It's true. I swear. And once you get that part, the rest is easy. All of you have to do is notice that the word "guarantee" doesn't appear anywhere.

K.




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RE: gun control and tragedies - 3/10/2013 9:05:49 PM   
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How exactly do you guarantee that an armed person will be present to counter these attacks if everyone is not armed? This is pretty simple math.

Ah, now I see the problem. Okay, here's the thing: It's not math. It's English. I know, I know, shocking, but just accept it and try it that way. Pay special attention to the fact that the word "guarantee" occurs nowhere in the statement.

K.

Although the chance that there could be would be a greater deterent that no way

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RE: gun control and tragedies - 3/10/2013 9:48:02 PM   
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Although the chance that there could be would be a greater deterent that no way

Well sure. But not everybody would want to carry, and probably not everyone should. The point I was making before this fish-fight started was that gun-free zones insure that nobody will be armed -- except criminals, of course, who seem to continually surprise a certain class of geniuses by declining to obey the laws that they make.

K.

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RE: gun control and tragedies - 3/10/2013 10:06:52 PM   
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You know, call me illogical, but I have a sneaking feeling that ownership of a gun actually has almost nothing to absolutely fuck all to do with rates of rape. Assuming that this is recorded the same way in the UK as it is in the USA, natch.

Much as I appreciate the invitation, I'll have to decline on calling you illogical. But I could go with ignorant.

With regard to studies of rape, although samples typically include too few cases of self-defense with a gun for separate analysis, McDermott, Quinsey and Upfold, Lizotte, and Kleck and Sayles all found that victims who resisted with some kind of weapon were less likely to have the rape attempt completed against them.

Source: Armed Resistance to Crime, Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology

K.

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RE: gun control and tragedies - 3/10/2013 10:41:41 PM   
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Although the chance that there could be would be a greater deterent that no way

Well sure. But not everybody would want to carry, and probably not everyone should. The point I was making before this fish-fight started was that gun-free zones insure that nobody will be armed -- except criminals, of course, who seem to continually surprise a certain class of geniuses by declining to obey the laws that they make.

K.

Their are definatly people who should not carry, or have to sharp instruments. Concealed carry adds an element of uncertainty for criminals.

I would also like to address a fantasy gun grabbers foster. It is that an armed civilian will never shoot the criminal but always the people running away from him, and that while the police try to take the mass murderer alive they will kill the armed civilian on sight.

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RE: gun control and tragedies - 3/10/2013 11:20:46 PM   
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Lmao, love the irony!

Thanks. How do you like the way your gun ban is working out?



Kewl, eh?

K.



Source, please? NRA or the like doesn't count....

And you're not gonna tell us how they compare with trigger happy USA?

Predictable, I know, but at 16,000 assaults per month in a country of 21 mill (maybe, in 2007), you'd think the grapevine would've noticed something about how dangerous it (allegedly) is out there.

Not saying I'd wanna be walking the streets alone in town after midnight on Saturdays, but still, 16k/month? Just this past Saturday, there's a story in the local paper of some teen getting mugged and robbed Friday night. Suffered cuts and bruises.... In a city of nearly half a mill and Australia's largest non-capital city, this is what makes page 3 when there's 16,000 assaults (maybe 18,000 in 2013?) nationwide every single month?

Not convinced, mate...!

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RE: gun control and tragedies - 3/10/2013 11:38:34 PM   
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Source, please? NRA or the like doesn't count.... Not convinced, mate

I was hoping you'd ask. Thanks for proving that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Australian Government - Australian Institute of Criminology - Statistics

Now please, wouldn't you rather be off somewhere playing with your insect pals?

K.

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RE: gun control and tragedies - 3/11/2013 1:32:14 AM   
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Then why make it "liberal" ideology?



Because it is. The progressive agenda is of the liberal left.



Progressive means it sits in subcommittee for years?

Thats progressive?

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