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Am I strange? or is what I want, unreasonable? - 3/8/2013 6:39:36 PM   
Poloboi234


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Am I strange?

I didn't even look at porn at all(not kidding)until I was in my mid 20's, I recall us as boys looking at my buddy, Zach's dad's "Play Boys" (Ms. March 1995, ohmigod) and we were intrigued... I got a hard on, but my buddies had to go masturbate. I didn't.. my "hard on" would go down later, and that was that... I got bullied a bit, and did some bullying, then I was the older boy that picked on my friends younger brothers, or other kid's in the neighborhood, but it was different. It was more in a "hazing" type situation, and then went over to the mentality of "Only we can mess with our pledges" type mentality as I was a protector, confident and looked out for all the kid's in my neighborhood when we went in school and throughout high school. Though I became a football player, baseball player guy. I always looked out for my buddies, on the team, younger guys (in neighborhood) and tried to guide them, we would pick on them, or tease them, or mess with the younger guys on the team it was for guidance and to correct the mistakes... for example. When I was a captain, we had this "sac tap" game that if someone had too many false starts during practice, or off sides, we as captains were going to give them a "random hard sac tap", whenever we deemed right, and the younger player had to(after he got up), to shake our hand, and give us a kiss on the cheek, and say, " Good show!" (we were more like a rugby team) and that was that...

Then later on in my life, I always had girls (not to brag) I was an alpha male, and I liked girls, and I never masturbated... that changed when I turned 25... I wasn't doing well in my life, depression, school wasn't going well, and two of my ex's that I basically threw away I found out were engaged.. I didn't have many friends, and then I started to explore the net... I watched porn, but I liked the humiliation, then that went to S/M, to ball busting, to BDSM... I was shocked, scared, a bit in awe, then intrigued...

That intrigued lasted for 2-3 years as I read everything I could about it, and would read blogs, take notes, speak with people, and try to "understand" the mentality of those that were "subs" and those that were "doms" and the dynamic.. I at first just wanted to watch, I didn't see myself as submissive enough to "submit" to anyone, and I always considered myself "chivalrous, or a good guy" and thought I wasn't sadistic enough to be a "Dom"... but I was wrong... the more I read and learned, I had been dominate all my life, with friends, with people, and the few times I wasn't dominate (during mid school, bullied) is what increased my tenacity at that age to workout, join the football team, baseball, track to be the "manliest" man I could be(Brazilian Jui Jitsu, bar fights), I was an "Alpha Male"... but then reality hit me in the "real world". When I was going to a very high level school (ivy league), being the "Alpha Male" wasn't as embraced, and I found that many were back biting, and conniving, and the old adage "Less is more" was true.. but without my "Alpha Male" Identity, that I felt, I spent all my life trying to be.. I was lost... I was depressed, then I would masturbate to porn, and I always loved BDSM...

Here is the weird part. and I want someone to try and help me clarify this.. Because I was always raised to be a "Man of Chivalry", I couldn't really stomach the Male Dom/Female sub dynamic. I know that it is all fantasy, and that both are consenting adults, but cropping, or whipping a female to my "Small town, Catholic raised" mind is just not appealing... plus an Alpha male doesn't dominate a woman... he dominates another man... that's why I loved, Cuckold as that is exactly what I loved. Being the "Bull" coming in and taking another man's wife, lover, GF, and him relenting, and bowing down to my "manliness" is what truly turns me on...

When I joined sites to chat, people saw my profile and many felt I should be a "master" as I was told this over the years, I decided to try it out, and I learned and read many books, the psychology of it (is the most important) as well as I want to please whomever my "sub" is to their fulfillment as that is my goal(there mental fulfillment) as I, being in charge should know what they want, and secretly do want...

I had some run in's on craigslist...but the dilemma...most of the guys that would seek a Male Dominant are gay... their sexuality doesn't matter. But for my own stimulatence of what I want to accomplish they need to be "Masculine, straight, or straight acting (90%)" men, as what gets me to my own, mental "space" is them submitting to "me". I love to turn a "straight masculine" male into my "pet", "toy", "my bitch" etc... if the person is already "submissive"(almost to 100%) then it does nothing for me, I'm not being "Alpha" already submitting a person that is submitted...

Think of it like "breaking a wild horse" is what it's like in my mind. That's is what I like to do, or see for my subs and I don't think my dynamic is really "known" or is shown with many people.

Most that seem be BDSM (from what I have researched or seen) that is straight or masculine, would like a "female" to do it, for there, I perceive complete "humiliation" that a woman is spanking them, or belittling them, or feminizing them... it makes sense as for it to work, a woman must be present for the true "humiliation" to take affect... those that are BDSM that seek male Doms and are Men, usually take on a "boy" or "sub" that is sexually attracted to the master, and that is the desire to submit in all its variations...

I'm not gay at all(I've gotten head from a couple guys, during the role play but there is straight porn on, and I can't cum without it, or pulling out and jacking to a picture of a woman etc...) to the point, I once had a "sub" older guy (40yrs old) that I did role played with, and he insisted on serving me as I was his master. I relented and he was giving me head for 45 plus minutes, and I wasn't cuming, or coming close to it. To which he exclaimed..." You're not gay, you're not gay at all..., as I replied that, I just like the "role play"". So this isn't some anti gay, proving I'm straight post.

I think it's more of the dilemma of being a Straight master to a Straight sub, and how to humiliate him. I have found innovative ways for my current "sub" that is a "wild burly buck" (6'3 275pds) and he is fun to play with, I guess he is my "pain slut" and he loves doing anything to "please me", but sexually advances are out of the question, as well as he just likes to "service me" when I allow it, or likes to help me service a woman as if we were in a "cuckold fantasy"... I guess my question to the group of dominates, and mistresses is this.. Am I an anomaly? Is my experience, sexual wants, or even mentality for doing BDSM strange or normal? (I mean in general, everyone has their own niche fetish)

And have you seen this in the BDSM lifestyle which is mainly sexuality based. I just like the power and control of another masculine male, and I like to humiliate him in-front other males, or especially in front of a beautiful petite, blond, brunette, ebony, Asian, etc... (any) gorgeous woman to show my Alpha Male dominance...( guess there are pain slaves, but my pain is more mild, like nipple clamps, ball tapping, funny things, anything with blood, whips, needles, hardcore CBT etc.. is a No... Not into that at all..)

Those subs I have engaged with, I do take it very serious to fulfill their needs, and desires, and if it requires sexual contact, or something of that nature I find a suitable host or replacement that the sub agrees to beforehand, and has met. (tested, clean, in the scene, and discreet)

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RE: Am I strange? or is what I want, unreasonable? - 3/8/2013 7:14:28 PM   
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Don't reply all at once, in fact, "hold your horses!" (my mom used to always say that when I was a kid...)

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RE: Am I strange? or is what I want, unreasonable? - 3/8/2013 7:20:30 PM   
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Give folks some time to reply. some of us are eating dinner or working and the lucky few are enjoying a friday night out trying to get laid.

The luckier ones are actually getting laid.

None of the above will be responding posthaste.

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RE: Am I strange? or is what I want, unreasonable? - 3/8/2013 7:24:30 PM   
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You could have stated your question in, like, one twentieth of the length of your post. I skimmed. Sounds like you want to find out if your kink is unique or not. The answer to that is always no.

Edited to add:

BUT, what turns you on is not always what you can have in real life. If you want BDSM with a guy, but you don't want a real relationship, you're probably out of luck.

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RE: Am I strange? or is what I want, unreasonable? - 3/8/2013 7:56:48 PM   
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Barona- Thanks, I never thought about that. The current guy that I am trying to tame. Is masculine, sub type, but has only given oral to about 3 or 4 guys, and has only had sex with his old friend best roommate, he's more into servicing men or females. But i know he has an attraction to me, and wants to be somewhat sexually active with me. Though it's a no go.. I guess you could be right.

Why would a guy want another guy to control his orgasm, or belittle him, if he wasn't sexuality attracted to the guy? what would be the incentive?

I never truly thought about it that way... I guess there are straight masters to guys like me, but it's a bit more complicated as I have to find woman to add to our play to make it a fantasy the "straight guy" would want, or is into.

I never thought of it that way... thanks for the clarity.

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RE: Am I strange? or is what I want, unreasonable? - 3/8/2013 8:53:36 PM   
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Holy crap.

OK, wherever you are getting your supposed "research" from, don't go back. Either the content sucks or you don't have good reading comprehension.

Before you tell Me that I'm giving you shit, take yourself to the urban dictionary and look up the term "boi". If any of the manifesto above matches what you find there, I might have to smack My head on My own desk to shake the confusion out.

Alright, you like getting head from guys cause, well, it's head. Gee. A guy who likes to get head. I can't even type out what a rare breed that category would be. A guy who enjoys messing with sexual Dominance to get his rocks off.

On the other sites, folks must see something different in you than I do from your post. I hate to break this to you, but if it's from being the bull around a cuck, you're really not the person in charge. That's the chick. The bull is basically a prop that can be interchanged with any other prop.

Nope, it's not unusual for a person to enjoy kinky sex with some fun thrown in. It's not hard to find bulls. (Usually can't shake the fuckers.) It plays into their fantasy that they are the 'big bad man' even if they aren't. The get their little slice of fun when the woman is really the one in the power position. Lots of good info here: http://www.collarchat.com/m_4051501/mpage_1/tm.htm


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RE: Am I strange? or is what I want, unreasonable? - 3/8/2013 9:16:00 PM   
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FFS, dude. Here's what you're trying to say.

You think you might be a Dom. (You're not a Master.) You're not sure if you'd rather Dom a man or a woman.

You live in Los Angeles. There's no excuse for you to not go to local groups and try things out.



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RE: Am I strange? or is what I want, unreasonable? - 3/8/2013 9:20:26 PM   
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LadyPact- Thanks for the clarity. I see your point as well. I mainly want the woman (of course), and to get my rocks off(who doesn't) but I am genuinely intrigued by the pyschology of BDSM (blame taking classes on it) and I've never been intimidated or scared of sexuality. I have always been out going, but like I said, sex with a "male" does nothing at all for me, if I watch porn, wether it's gay or straight, I have to have sound of a "dominate" master taking control of a male or female, no sound.., don't care.

The lifestyle appealed to me, and the few subs I have had, really liked how I "topped" them. Though not sexual, I can get my sub to cum or come to orgasm by my voice for one, another I got to only want to cum when he saw "poptarts" (very funny, and fun sub) another, only desired to sleep on my feet, and one told me, qoute, "Sir... you should be a porn star", as well as exclaimed, " I don't know what you did... but you took me somewhere.. I've never been, I just wanted to please you, I don't know if it's repessed or what..." etc...

I find satisfaction in getting my subs to there "sub space" as well as geniune curiosity of what get's them "off" and also if that is humiliation, sex etc... I learn about there pasts, relationships, problems, how they were intrigued, and tailor a program or a way straight for them. No two subs are the same..

but sexually, you're right, it does nothing for me... that's why I think I may be "strange". I more intrigued with the people that want or need a "master" or in "BDSM" and I loe the fact that they would give me the privilege to change them, help them, or put complete trust in my thoughts and decsions... I haven't had any complaints yet...

But, LadyPact thanks... but I like to control the scene, the girl too... I just won't whip, or hit the girl...but I will have the sub treat the woman as a prize, and not let her feet touch the floor, or else he will do whatever she says, as that will please me... I hope I clarified my mind more here... but I'm weird, no one I know out of all my friends or area thinks like me, makes it even funnier is everyone see's me as the All-American, golden boy, type guy... far from the truth... I want to learn knowledge on everything... human sexuality and it's variations and stimulants... just intrigues the "fuck out of me"... haha (sorry for spelling or grammar typing fast, while working...)

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RE: Am I strange? or is what I want, unreasonable? - 3/8/2013 9:25:35 PM   
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FFS- yeah, have been thinking of going to clubs, just to see the world.

I want to get my current sub to be into going, as I want to get him more into the life style and myself... I guess the problem is my profession may come with being a "known" person in a field where everyone will know something about you, if you get paid well(entertainment) so, I try to be as discreet as possible, but a part of me feels if I ever get lucky enough to be asked about it, I'd just say, "yeah I was into S/M fo a bit in my 20's for a couple of years.." that's it. Like no biggie... but we'll see...

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RE: Am I strange? or is what I want, unreasonable? - 3/8/2013 9:27:14 PM   
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LadyPact- the Poloboi thing was something I've had since I saw it on a profile about 10 years a go on a friend of mines handle. I thought it was just a different way to spell "Boy" on Aim... haha come to find out here, it has an entire different meaning... hahah.. we'll, you live and you learn. Can't change it now, people know me as it, here. haha.

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RE: Am I strange? or is what I want, unreasonable? - 3/8/2013 10:10:30 PM   
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Personally, I don' see anything dominant or submissive about you. I just see you as having always been a bully and you still are. You get off on the fact that you can do this to men and you get to feel all big and strong and manly, when in reality, you're insecure with your own manhood.

I would suggest forgetting about the bdsm. Why? Because what you are seeking is not bdsm imo.

You need to seek a therapist and get down to the nitty gritty of your issues and work on those. If after you work all that out and still think you might like to try bdsm again, then welcome back....but let it be for the right reasons and not all the ooooohhhh so wrong reasons you want right now.


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RE: Am I strange? or is what I want, unreasonable? - 3/8/2013 10:12:24 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

The luckier ones are actually getting laid.



Quit lookin through my windows!



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RE: Am I strange? or is what I want, unreasonable? - 3/9/2013 4:22:24 AM   
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I guess I'm just missing the actual question here.

You're straght but top naked guys. You want women pampered by your sub...but have a male sub? I'm all for fluid in relationships but all I am seeing is a big puddle!

For someone with a question there seems to be a GREAT deal of detail about who fucks whom, what others get off on & details details details. My instinct is geeze frat boy outta the closet already!! The reality seems closer to...hey can anyone help me iron out flaws in my porn script?

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RE: Am I strange? or is what I want, unreasonable? - 3/9/2013 5:33:14 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: littlewonder
Quit lookin through my windows!

Well, Carol and I were moaning in the living room. Sadly, not because we were having fun. We're having the worst flu I can recall in my entire life. But yeah, I still wasn't up on responding to this promptly.

Even this morning as I read it I'm confused. Rose's answer seems pretty close to what I'm thinking. I'd toss in a bit of LW's "bully" line of thinking if any of this is actually real. There are so many glaring inconsistencies in the profile and this story that it's hard to say what's right and what's wrong. Those may be lies or just plain ignorance or a combination of both.

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RE: Am I strange? or is what I want, unreasonable? - 3/9/2013 6:01:09 AM   
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There was another guy who came here, last year or so I think, with a very similar situation. A straight guy who liked to mess around with gay men or straight ones. With the gay men he got off on using them but always remaining out of reach. I don't remember what his motive was with the straight ones other than humiliating them I guess.

It is completely about being a bully and nothing else. Twas the same response the other guy got.
It's almost like playground hazing, but disguised as a "relationship."

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RE: Am I strange? or is what I want, unreasonable? - 3/9/2013 6:19:13 AM   
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This:


quote:

ORIGINAL: littlewonder

Personally, I don' see anything dominant or submissive about you. I just see you as having always been a bully and you still are. You get off on the fact that you can do this to men and you get to feel all big and strong and manly, when in reality, you're insecure with your own manhood.

I would suggest forgetting about the bdsm. Why? Because what you are seeking is not bdsm imo.

You need to seek a therapist and get down to the nitty gritty of your issues and work on those. If after you work all that out and still think you might like to try bdsm again, then welcome back....but let it be for the right reasons and not all the ooooohhhh so wrong reasons you want right now.



Liking kinky sex is the new trendy thing, especially on the coast (where trends are set, it takes us Midwesterners years to catch up).

That you felt it necessary to give us your life story in a nutshell tells me you have a *lot* to work out, and a good therapist will facilitate that. Please *don't* get involved in the local scene unless it's merely as an observer, you have too much internal conflict at this point in time.


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RE: Am I strange? or is what I want, unreasonable? - 3/9/2013 6:41:12 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep
There was another guy who came here, last year or so I think, with a very similar situation.

The OP was here a few months ago with the same storyline.
http://www.collarchat.com/m_4312468/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#4312468

Poloboi, I'm not really sure what your question is, or why you feel it's important that your kinks
be categorized as normal or rare. Most people only care what goes on in their own bedroom.

I do feel though, as I did in your older post, that you are being very disingenuous in your profile.
All this rambling on here about how you don't like to use the whip, or how there will be no sexual
activity between you and another man does not match at all what you advertise in your profile.
Especially the part where you list yourself as bisexual, and one of your very last lines.
"I know you want the love of my whip, and the feel of my touch on you're balls."
Who are you trying to fool, and why?


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RE: Am I strange? or is what I want, unreasonable? - 3/9/2013 6:45:28 AM   
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I would say he's trying to fool himself...

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RE: Am I strange? or is what I want, unreasonable? - 3/9/2013 7:26:18 AM   
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I see someone who is a bully. Who gets turned on by nonconsensually hurting males. But who is so conflicted about his own sexuality that he doesn't know what he wants.

I also strongly suggest you get some therapy.

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RE: Am I strange? or is what I want, unreasonable? - 3/9/2013 4:34:21 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Poloboi234


Why would a guy want another guy to control his orgasm, or belittle him, if he wasn't sexuality attracted to the guy? what would be the incentive?

I never truly thought about it that way... I guess there are straight masters to guys like me, but it's a bit more complicated as I have to find woman to add to our play to make it a fantasy the "straight guy" would want, or is into.




Maybe it's the same reason why you consented to having a few gay guys give you oral sex though you have no attraction to them? Unless it's another case of you wanting to add notches to the belt and bragging rights to say, "well that's another gay guy as my conquest"?



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