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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/13/2013 4:37:56 AM   
LookieNoNookie


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DEFICIT

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If Clinton paid down the public DEBT.....how in Gods name did it RISE in each year of his Presidency?

Public debt increases or decreases as a result of the annual unified budget deficit or surplus
The federal government budget deficit or surplus is the difference between government receipts and spending, ignoring intra-governmental transfers. However, some spending that is excluded from the deficit (supplemental appropriations) also adds to the debt.

Please do try to understand the terms other people are using.

Well.....son of a bitch....bring on the new keg then....I've misunderstood basic economics for the last 40+ years it would seem.
Thanks for explaining how negative income pays down (any) debt.
Amazing stuff....


Duh, Lookie. Don't forget that President said he was going to take half the money saved by ending the wars to pay down the debt, too. Which means, we're going to borrow money to pay down the debt. Might have been more accurate to say it would reduce the deficit, no?



I need to throw away all my econ books. Apparently the authors were idjits.

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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/13/2013 6:24:38 AM   
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Don't look Tazzy, your head might explode - via ZH -

And it's getting better, when adjusted.

In a news release that would have been blamed on delayed tax refunds and "the weather" if it was a miss, but confirms a stronger consumer if it beat, and denies everything Wal Mart was warning about regarding February sales, today's retail sales just came stronger than expected in both the headline print (+1.1%, on expectations of a +0.5% rise), the Ex-Autos (+1.0%, Exp. 0.5%), and the Ex-autos and gas (0.4%, Exp. 0.2%). All of this of course was on a seasonally-adjusted basis (more on this shortly). This was the biggest beat of expectations since October 2011, and the biggest monthly rise in five months. The number was driven by a 5.0% jump in gasoline station sales, a 1.8% increase in Miscellaneous store retailers, a 1.6% rise in non-store retailers and a 1.1% increase in the broad retail and food services category. Declines were noted in Furniture stores (-1.6%), Electronics and Appliance stores (-0.2%), and Sporting goods and music stores (-0.9%).

So on the surface all was good. The seasonally adjusted surface. because the unadjusted headline number in February actually posted the first sequential decline since 2010, as retail sales declined from $382.4 billion to $381.0 billion: this was the first sequential decline in retail sales in the month of February in three years. Yet somehow the decline actually translated into a growth of $4.4 billion on an adjusted basis, meaning the entire beat was, once more, purely in the calendar adjustment.
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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/13/2013 6:51:48 AM   
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I need to throw away all my econ books. Apparently the authors were idjits.


You should, they are.  They model dynamic systems linearly and hammer every piece into over simplification.

That's why there shit never works, and isn't ever about to.

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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/13/2013 6:55:29 AM   
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It's all Kool-Aid. That supposed drop in unemployment only cost some billions in government spending.

Not that I wish it, but I'll dance for joy when it all comes apart and shoves it up the left's collective asses, being those who applaud the Obama's agenda.




So you will be happy to inflict suffering on your fellow Americans. Why am I not surprised.

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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/13/2013 7:37:10 AM   
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It's all Kool-Aid. That supposed drop in unemployment only cost some billions in government spending.

Not that I wish it, but I'll dance for joy when it all comes apart and shoves it up the left's collective asses, being those who applaud the Obama's agenda.




So you will be happy to inflict suffering on your fellow Americans. Why am I not surprised.



I won't be the one inflicting anything. But I will find it humorous. Who am I to deny what's been asked for?

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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/13/2013 7:42:22 AM   
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I find the laughable zerohedge fucksticking humorous as well.

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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/13/2013 7:46:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Yachtie


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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

~FR~

It's all Kool-Aid. That supposed drop in unemployment only cost some billions in government spending.

Not that I wish it, but I'll dance for joy when it all comes apart and shoves it up the left's collective asses, being those who applaud the Obama's agenda.




So you will be happy to inflict suffering on your fellow Americans. Why am I not surprised.



I won't be the one inflicting anything. But I will find it humorous. Who am I to deny what's been asked for?


So you will find it "humorous" that many of your fellow americans are suffering......Why is it that you call yourself an American?

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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/13/2013 7:55:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie


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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

~FR~

It's all Kool-Aid. That supposed drop in unemployment only cost some billions in government spending.

Not that I wish it, but I'll dance for joy when it all comes apart and shoves it up the left's collective asses, being those who applaud the Obama's agenda.




So you will be happy to inflict suffering on your fellow Americans. Why am I not surprised.



I won't be the one inflicting anything. But I will find it humorous. Who am I to deny what's been asked for?


So you will find it "humorous" that many of your fellow americans are suffering......Why is it that you call yourself an American?



Because I don't call myself a Progressive?

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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/13/2013 7:58:22 AM   
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Awww there you go hiding again. Comeon man, just be like you are on the gun thread. Say what you mean. Don't hide. You don't give a shit about anyone just admit it. Its cool.

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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/13/2013 8:21:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk
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ORIGINAL: Yachtie
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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk
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ORIGINAL: Yachtie
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It's all Kool-Aid. That supposed drop in unemployment only cost some billions in government spending.
Not that I wish it, but I'll dance for joy when it all comes apart and shoves it up the left's collective asses, being those who applaud the Obama's agenda.

So you will be happy to inflict suffering on your fellow Americans. Why am I not surprised.

I won't be the one inflicting anything. But I will find it humorous. Who am I to deny what's been asked for?

So you will find it "humorous" that many of your fellow americans are suffering......Why is it that you call yourself an American?


DYB, if Yachtie is right, and shit hits the fan the way it's been outlined by ZeroHedge, then he will laugh as the Liberals get their comeuppance. He may have a twisted sense of humor in this, but you would have supported and pushed for the suffering of your fellow Americans (with the assumption that the shit does hit the fan the way Yachtie is asserting).

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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/13/2013 8:27:58 AM   
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Little chance of zerohedge being right about anything, their track record being so fucking poor in that they have never been right about anything.

 

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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/13/2013 8:44:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk
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ORIGINAL: Yachtie
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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk
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ORIGINAL: Yachtie
~FR~
It's all Kool-Aid. That supposed drop in unemployment only cost some billions in government spending.
Not that I wish it, but I'll dance for joy when it all comes apart and shoves it up the left's collective asses, being those who applaud the Obama's agenda.

So you will be happy to inflict suffering on your fellow Americans. Why am I not surprised.

I won't be the one inflicting anything. But I will find it humorous. Who am I to deny what's been asked for?

So you will find it "humorous" that many of your fellow americans are suffering......Why is it that you call yourself an American?


DYB, if Yachtie is right, and shit hits the fan the way it's been outlined by ZeroHedge, then he will laugh as the Liberals get their comeuppance. He may have a twisted sense of humor in this, but you would have supported and pushed for the suffering of your fellow Americans (with the assumption that the shit does hit the fan the way Yachtie is asserting).


Which all could come true but I sure as hell wouldn't find it humorous. What sort of american would be happy about that?

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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/13/2013 8:49:03 AM   
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DYB, if Yachtie is right, and shit hits the fan the way it's been outlined by ZeroHedge, then he will laugh as the Liberals get their comeuppance. He may have a twisted sense of humor in this, but you would have supported and pushed for the suffering of your fellow Americans (with the assumption that the shit does hit the fan the way Yachtie is asserting).



Twisted? On a kink site?



Damn right , and how could anyone not laugh when someone who was told "it's fucking HOT" burns themself picking it up?

< Message edited by Yachtie -- 3/13/2013 8:50:38 AM >


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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/13/2013 8:53:30 AM   
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Which all could come true but I sure as hell wouldn't find it humorous. What sort of american would be happy about that?



The one who's boot you feel up your ass on your way down, reminding you that, despite of being warned, you did it to yourself anyway.

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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/13/2013 8:55:02 AM   
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And is he prepared for the boot when its pointed out that it didnt come true and it is teabaggerism? 

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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/13/2013 8:55:38 AM   
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As I said all good. long as you are who you are. Instead of hiding behind shit. You are a disgusting human being but you have a right to breath.

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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/13/2013 9:07:33 AM   
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DYB, if Yachtie is right, and shit hits the fan the way it's been outlined by ZeroHedge, then he will laugh as the Liberals get their comeuppance. He may have a twisted sense of humor in this, but you would have supported and pushed for the suffering of your fellow Americans (with the assumption that the shit does hit the fan the way Yachtie is asserting).


That's what the math says, and like gravity... it just is. I'm not politically partisan in this. But it's the result, in good part, of the house progressivism built.

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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/13/2013 9:10:03 AM   
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I didn't see any math that was useful and real, nor has zerohedge ever been correct before, and largely it appears as though it was 'republicans' that built the mess, and nobody would call them other than regressive. 

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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/13/2013 7:58:54 PM   
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Don't look Tazzy, it's ZH -

It's getting real ugly... not unemployment, but banking, Japanese style.

Kyle Bass, addressing Chicago Booth's Initiative on Global Markets last week, clarified his thesis on Japan in great detail, but it was the Q&A that has roused great concern. "The AIG of the world is back - I have 27 year old kids selling me one-year jump risk on Japan for less than 1bp - $5bn at a time... and it is happening in size." As he explains, the regulatory capital hit for the bank is zero (hence as great a return on capital as one can imagine) and "if the bell tolls at the end of the year, the 27-year-old kid gets a bonus... and if he blows the bank to smithereens, ugh, he got a paycheck all year." Critically, the bank that he bought the 'cheap options' from recently called to ask if he would close the position - "that happened to me before," he warns, "in 2007 right before mortgages cracked." His single best investment idea for the next ten years is, "Sell JPY, Buy Gold, and go to sleep," as he warns of the current situation in markets, "we are right back there! The brevity of financial memory is about two years."


My brother just sent me this today...he has more time to research this shit than I do.

Funny thing is...it's backed by all kinds of sources.

(Not that that will matter to anyone determined to follow the status quo).

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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/13/2013 8:16:21 PM   
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Don't look Tazzy, your head might explode - via ZH -

And it's getting better, when adjusted.

In a news release that would have been blamed on delayed tax refunds and "the weather" if it was a miss, but confirms a stronger consumer if it beat, and denies everything Wal Mart was warning about regarding February sales, today's retail sales just came stronger than expected in both the headline print (+1.1%, on expectations of a +0.5% rise), the Ex-Autos (+1.0%, Exp. 0.5%), and the Ex-autos and gas (0.4%, Exp. 0.2%). All of this of course was on a seasonally-adjusted basis (more on this shortly). This was the biggest beat of expectations since October 2011, and the biggest monthly rise in five months. The number was driven by a 5.0% jump in gasoline station sales, a 1.8% increase in Miscellaneous store retailers, a 1.6% rise in non-store retailers and a 1.1% increase in the broad retail and food services category. Declines were noted in Furniture stores (-1.6%), Electronics and Appliance stores (-0.2%), and Sporting goods and music stores (-0.9%).

So on the surface all was good. The seasonally adjusted surface. because the unadjusted headline number in February actually posted the first sequential decline since 2010, as retail sales declined from $382.4 billion to $381.0 billion: this was the first sequential decline in retail sales in the month of February in three years. Yet somehow the decline actually translated into a growth of $4.4 billion on an adjusted basis, meaning the entire beat was, once more, purely in the calendar adjustment.
(emphasis added)



Okay...sorry...I'm missing something here....

Retail sales actually FELL 1.4 BILLION (dollars) ...as in, people ACTUALLY purchased 1.4 BILLION fewer dollars of goods than the month preceding, yet "seasonally adjusted" sales rose.

Sorry....(I'm just trying to grasp this)....sales in FACT fell...they were in real dollars, less than the previous month....but....they also rose.

So, is that kinda like "The Consumer Price Index fell this month, less housing, energy and grains"?

(Like, all the shit that pretty everyone much buys?).

Is that kind of like...."Clinton ran a surplus, but paid off the debt, even as it in fact, rose, in some cases by ungodly amounts?"

(I'm sorry...I was deemed slow in the 7th grade....can you help me on this....because I now understand how Clinton paid off the debt (Taz was quite clear on this)....he did it with "surpluses" but I guess I don't understand how when sales in mathematical reality....fall.....sales actually increased.

(I skipped "New Math"....is that what this is?).

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