Pregnancy Triggers State Surveillance and Control Over Women in the USA

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farglebargle -> Pregnancy Triggers State Surveillance and Control Over Women in the USA (3/12/2013 4:49:15 AM)
She says it all really. Once you're pregnant, you are a slave. quote: You are hereby mandated to state control and surveillance as soon as you get pregnant. You may be monitored and reported by other Americans, whose state supported moral obligation it is to impose their religious beliefs upon your uteri. Mind you, these same beliefs will not be imposed upon other entities that might harm or kill the pre-born, even though the laws were passed under the guise of protecting you from intimate partner abuse. No, ladies, the state only has eyes for you, but you are never to refer to this as a war on women. quote: Women do not have control over their biology; a woman can get pregnant via rape, a woman can get pregnant by accident. No matter! You are a felon and an incubator — who can forget the Republican legislation that criminalizes the ending of a pregnancy resulting from rape or incest in some cases, declaring the fetus to be evidence in a criminal trial.

DaNewAgeViking -> RE: Pregnancy Triggers State Surveillance and Control Over Women in the USA (3/12/2013 5:47:51 AM)
Fargle...what the heck is this all about? You need to post some links pronto, 'cause this sounds like the raving of some rightie nut job, and thus has no force of law whatsoever, which makes you look some kind-a panicked. You really need to lighten up, dude. [sm=gaah.gif]

thishereboi -> RE: Pregnancy Triggers State Surveillance and Control Over Women in the USA (3/12/2013 5:50:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaNewAgeViking Fargle...what the heck is this all about? You need to post some links pronto, 'cause this sounds like the raving of some rightie nut job, and thus has no force of law whatsoever, which makes you look some kind-a panicked. You really need to lighten up, dude. [sm=gaah.gif] Sorry but this one sounds like a leftie nut job. He is ranting against the right. Do try and keep up.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Pregnancy Triggers State Surveillance and Control Over Women in the USA (3/12/2013 5:50:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle She says it all really. Once you're pregnant, you are a slave. quote: You are hereby mandated to state control and surveillance as soon as you get pregnant. You may be monitored and reported by other Americans, whose state supported moral obligation it is to impose their religious beliefs upon your uteri. Mind you, these same beliefs will not be imposed upon other entities that might harm or kill the pre-born, even though the laws were passed under the guise of protecting you from intimate partner abuse. No, ladies, the state only has eyes for you, but you are never to refer to this as a war on women. quote: Women do not have control over their biology; a woman can get pregnant via rape, a woman can get pregnant by accident. No matter! You are a felon and an incubator — who can forget the Republican legislation that criminalizes the ending of a pregnancy resulting from rape or incest in some cases, declaring the fetus to be evidence in a criminal trial. No source?

Lucylastic -> RE: Pregnancy Triggers State Surveillance and Control Over Women in the USA (3/12/2013 6:27:02 AM)
All you uteri, gather round, the state has a job for you. You are hereby mandated to state control and surveillance as soon as you get pregnant. You may be monitored and reported by other Americans, whose state supported moral obligation it is to impose their religious beliefs upon your uteri. Mind you, these same beliefs will not be imposed upon other entities that might harm or kill the pre-born, even though the laws were passed under the guise of protecting you from intimate partner abuse. No, ladies, the state only has eyes for you, but you are never to refer to this as a war on women. To wit: In Indiana, a young woman named Bei Bei Shuai is being tried for murder and attempted feticide because in December of 2010, she took rat poison after the man who impregnated her announced he was actually married and had another family. He took off and left her devastated. Shuai tried to kill herself, but her friends saved her by getting her to the hospital. Eight days later, she gave birth to “Angel” via Caesarean section. Sadly, within days, her baby girl died due to cerebral hemorrhage. The nurses and doctors called the police and Shuai was charged with murder. Even though she went through a Caesarean, she did try to kill herself and you are no longer allowed to be mentally ill or suffering while pregnant, even though the hormones can render you both and you have no control over that. The stakes are high because the sentence for murder in Indiana can be the death penalty or 45 years-to-life. No, technically it’s not against the law to try to kill yourself in Indiana, but if you are carrying a pre-born for the state, that’s another story. http://www.politicususa.com/biology-triggers-state-surveillance-control-humans.html good gawd .....ohh look a link... now what.... ohhhh another one http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/mar/08/defense-seeks-dismissal-of-ind-fetal-murder-case/?page=2#article-copy http://www.politicususa.com/bedroom-gop-sperm-troopers.html http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jun/24/america-pregnant-women-murder-charges http://www.politicususa.com/proof-war-women-2 Now whine because IM obviously bashing the right[8\|][8\|][8\|][8\|][8\|] no, Im just giving you what you asked for fargle... do us a favour mate and give links, Ive got work to do...

tweakabelle -> RE: Pregnancy Triggers State Surveillance and Control Over Women in the USA (3/12/2013 6:59:41 AM)
There is an online petition to have Shuai freed at: http://www.change.org/petitions/protect-pregnant-women-free-bei-bei Please consider signing it to help prevent this gross miscarriage of justice. What does it say that the same looney Right wingers who introduced the appalling legislation used to prosecute Bei Bei Shuai are those who scream the loudest about Govt intervention in the private lives of citizens? These sperm troopers are certifiably insane.

Moonhead -> RE: Pregnancy Triggers State Surveillance and Control Over Women in the USA (3/12/2013 7:04:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle What does it say that the same looney Right wingers who introduced the appalling legislation used to prosecute Bei Bei Shuai are those who scream the loudest about Govt intervention in the private lives of citizens? What it looks like it says: rights are for tooled up white guys and everybody else should accept what they're given and shut up whining. [:D]

SadistDave -> RE: Pregnancy Triggers State Surveillance and Control Over Women in the USA (3/12/2013 9:32:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle There is an online petition to have Shuai freed at: http://www.change.org/petitions/protect-pregnant-women-free-bei-bei Please consider signing it to help prevent this gross miscarriage of justice. What does it say that the same looney Right wingers who introduced the appalling legislation used to prosecute Bei Bei Shuai are those who scream the loudest about Govt intervention in the private lives of citizens? These sperm troopers are certifiably insane. Actually, the legislation is not new. It's been a federal law since 2004, but 31 states have had similar laws on the books prior to the federal law. Indiana is one of them, and the law has been in effect since at least 1989, and survived several court battles already. The killing of "a fetus that has attained viability" is murder, voluntary manslaughter, or involuntary manslaughter according to Indiana Codes 35-42-1-1, 35-42-1-3, 35-42-1-4. Your petition against the federal law is actually a little misplaced. If she hasn't been charged for the violations of state law, they will simply prosecute her under Indiana state statutes which carry a maximum penalty of death. Indiana has only killed 20 or so prisoners in the last 50 years though, so she is reasonably safe on that score. -SD-

tazzygirl -> RE: Pregnancy Triggers State Surveillance and Control Over Women in the USA (3/12/2013 9:41:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle There is an online petition to have Shuai freed at: http://www.change.org/petitions/protect-pregnant-women-free-bei-bei Please consider signing it to help prevent this gross miscarriage of justice. What does it say that the same looney Right wingers who introduced the appalling legislation used to prosecute Bei Bei Shuai are those who scream the loudest about Govt intervention in the private lives of citizens? These sperm troopers are certifiably insane. The prosecutor is a Democrat.

farglebargle -> RE: Pregnancy Triggers State Surveillance and Control Over Women in the USA (3/12/2013 9:47:16 AM)
Forgive me. I have a cold.

tazzygirl -> RE: Pregnancy Triggers State Surveillance and Control Over Women in the USA (3/12/2013 10:02:46 AM)
Im torn on this issue. On the one hand, we have a young woman who was deceived. On the other, we have a viable pregnancy that she attempted to terminate by killing herself. While I sympathize with her situation, there are other ways to handle all that happened to her. IF the experts could say the rat poisoning killed the child, then I would say... hang her. But, from what I have read, they cannot determine cause.

thishereboi -> RE: Pregnancy Triggers State Surveillance and Control Over Women in the USA (3/12/2013 10:04:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle There is an online petition to have Shuai freed at: http://www.change.org/petitions/protect-pregnant-women-free-bei-bei Please consider signing it to help prevent this gross miscarriage of justice. What does it say that the same looney Right wingers who introduced the appalling legislation used to prosecute Bei Bei Shuai are those who scream the loudest about Govt intervention in the private lives of citizens? These sperm troopers are certifiably insane. I have to wonder how effective these types of petitions are. Now the prosecuter in the case and the attorney general might be interested in how their district thinks and possibly others who live in the state but I seriously doubt that they care what people in other countries have to say about their policies. I would think that having people all over the world sign it might actually hurt more than it helps.

hlen5 -> RE: Pregnancy Triggers State Surveillance and Control Over Women in the USA (3/12/2013 10:07:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SadistDave ............. Indiana has only killed 20 or so prisoners in the last 50 years though, so she is reasonably safe on that score. -SD- I really hope that was typed tongue in cheek.

Moonhead -> RE: Pregnancy Triggers State Surveillance and Control Over Women in the USA (3/12/2013 10:26:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl IF the experts could say the rat poisoning killed the child, then I would say... hang her. But, from what I have read, they cannot determine cause. She was trying to kill herself, not the kid, tazzy. What sort of ridiculous stretch is that? For heaven's sake, if she was just trying to get shot of the pregnancy, gin's a lot less likely to cause her harm than rat poison.

Kirata -> RE: Pregnancy Triggers State Surveillance and Control Over Women in the USA (3/12/2013 11:10:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead She was trying to kill herself, not the kid, tazzy. Well if she thought the kid would be okay, there's a fucking Darwin award in her future. K.

egern -> RE: Pregnancy Triggers State Surveillance and Control Over Women in the USA (3/12/2013 5:34:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle There is an online petition to have Shuai freed at: http://www.change.org/petitions/protect-pregnant-women-free-bei-bei Please consider signing it to help prevent this gross miscarriage of justice. What does it say that the same looney Right wingers who introduced the appalling legislation used to prosecute Bei Bei Shuai are those who scream the loudest about Govt intervention in the private lives of citizens? These sperm troopers are certifiably insane. Sperm troopers? I like that!

egern -> RE: Pregnancy Triggers State Surveillance and Control Over Women in the USA (3/12/2013 5:40:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Im torn on this issue. On the one hand, we have a young woman who was deceived. On the other, we have a viable pregnancy that she attempted to terminate by killing herself. While I sympathize with her situation, there are other ways to handle all that happened to her. IF the experts could say the rat poisoning killed the child, then I would say... hang her. But, from what I have read, they cannot determine cause. It all depends on whether you consider a fetus a person... Do you think the man should be accused as well? Or does he go free completely, in spite of leaving all responsibility of said viable fetus to her?

thishereboi -> RE: Pregnancy Triggers State Surveillance and Control Over Women in the USA (3/12/2013 5:47:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: egern quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Im torn on this issue. On the one hand, we have a young woman who was deceived. On the other, we have a viable pregnancy that she attempted to terminate by killing herself. While I sympathize with her situation, there are other ways to handle all that happened to her. IF the experts could say the rat poisoning killed the child, then I would say... hang her. But, from what I have read, they cannot determine cause. It all depends on whether you consider a fetus a person... Do you think the man should be accused as well? Or does he go free completely, in spite of leaving all responsibility of said viable fetus to her? It wasn't a fetus that died, it was a newborn baby and yes they consider newborns people. Now whether or not the rat poison is what killed it is the question.

Lucylastic -> RE: Pregnancy Triggers State Surveillance and Control Over Women in the USA (3/12/2013 6:02:24 PM)
thats why she was charged with fetuside...not infanticide it hadnt been born UNTIL she was cut open when she tried to "kill herself"

tazzygirl -> RE: Pregnancy Triggers State Surveillance and Control Over Women in the USA (3/12/2013 6:20:14 PM)
quote: It all depends on whether you consider a fetus a person... Do you think the man should be accused as well? Or does he go free completely, in spite of leaving all responsibility of said viable fetus to her? My gauge on this is viability. If, by the age of 22 weeks, the infant is still viable and the mother has made no attempt to abort before that, then the fetus deserves some protection provided its existence is not harmful to the life of the mother. And even then, it's the mother's choice to continue with the pregnancy or not. In the case, it doesnt appear that she was at risk simply because she was pregnant. She attempted to end her life knowing full well that would end the fetal life as well. Her life was saved. The infants was not. However, the ability to establish cause of death is necessary. As for the man being charged? Absolutely not. He did nothing to harm either the mother or the child. He simply walked. He would be no more responsible than if she had not been pregnant and she committed suicide because of the ending of a relationship. Thats not a chargeable offence.

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