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RE: Gay Marriage is WRONG - 3/15/2013 7:09:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		marriage goes back WAY before english law and is found outside and inside of every religion.so dont spout trash

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RE: Gay Marriage is WRONG - 3/15/2013 7:15:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Lucy we were not talking about marriage... just the laws in general...some spelled out in the Constitution... Kind of a side bar that has nothing to do with the real issue before the Court.

Just thread drift for the sake of conversation.

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RE: Gay Marriage is WRONG - 3/15/2013 7:18:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		oh really??? we arent??? Seems to me the whole point of the thread is MARRIAGE and "rights"

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RE: Gay Marriage is WRONG - 3/15/2013 7:19:09 PM   
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RE: Gay Marriage is WRONG - 3/15/2013 7:21:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		I’m getting sorry I started my part of the conversation. Trying to represent an unrepresented side of an argument is always dangerous. No matter how often you explain your reasons some of the dirt rubs off when you do it.

I’ll learn.

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RE: Gay Marriage is WRONG - 3/15/2013 7:22:21 PM   
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RE: Gay Marriage is WRONG - 3/15/2013 7:26:03 PM   
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If you believe the vast majority of Christians actually think that way then no sense in us continuing this conversation...

You're the one who cast the issue as a matter of "acceptance of sinners," and I think you were (perhaps unwittingly) on to something. Lots of folks are fine with tolerating gay and lesbian "unions" as long as everyone, especially the GLBT folk, realizes that such "unions" are a step below real "marriages." That's why using the same name, with the suggestion of the same dignity, for both straight and gay pairings is so galling.

But you are right that there's probably not much point in continuing the discussion.


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You are closed minded…Or maybe bitter because of personal experience… I can understand that.

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RE: Gay Marriage is WRONG - 3/15/2013 7:28:14 PM   
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The word marriage is taken come up with a new one


How about divorce? Is that word also taken?


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RE: Gay Marriage is WRONG - 3/15/2013 7:29:38 PM   
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The word marriage is taken come up with a new one

Taken by whom?

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RE: Gay Marriage is WRONG - 3/15/2013 7:29:45 PM   
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RE: Gay Marriage is WRONG - 3/15/2013 7:31:13 PM   
LaTigresse


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RE: Gay Marriage is WRONG - 3/15/2013 7:31:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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If you believe the vast majority of Christians actually think that way then no sense in us continuing this conversation...

You're the one who cast the issue as a matter of "acceptance of sinners," and I think you were (perhaps unwittingly) on to something. Lots of folks are fine with tolerating gay and lesbian "unions" as long as everyone, especially the GLBT folk, realizes that such "unions" are a step below real "marriages." That's why using the same name, with the suggestion of the same dignity, for both straight and gay pairings is so galling.

But you are right that there's probably not much point in continuing the discussion.


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You are closed minded…Or maybe bitter because of personal experience… I can understand that.

"I always know I've made a good point when someone begins to diagnose me." -- Faust in Friedman's Fables


This:)

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RE: Gay Marriage is WRONG - 3/15/2013 7:31:50 PM   
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"I always know I've made a good point when someone begins to diagnose me." -- Faust in Friedman's Fables


And like I said....you may be right...but that will change nothing...Changing the way they feel will. I am sorry if I seemed patronizing.

Butch

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RE: Gay Marriage is WRONG - 3/15/2013 7:33:54 PM   
LaTigresse


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Status: offline 		I live in the Midwest. Salt of the earth, fairly common sense church going type people around here.

Gay marriage is legal here......and that's not likely to change.

That's pretty fucking cool.

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RE: Gay Marriage is WRONG - 3/15/2013 7:35:22 PM   
kdsub


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RE: Gay Marriage is WRONG - 3/15/2013 7:37:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

Lots of folks are fine with tolerating gay and lesbian "unions" as long as everyone, especially the GLBT folk, realizes that such "unions" are a step below real "marriages." That's why using the same name, with the suggestion of the same dignity, for both straight and gay pairings is so galling.


I've always believed that legally, gay couples should be afforded every right and equality (and downfall) that straight folks get when it comes to marriage.

What I don't get, is gay couples who want to be married under the rules of a religion that is hostile towards homosexuality. It's their choice, of course, but it does seem contradictory. Then again, I admit to having an early rooted bias; I grew up in a house with a minister for a father, and "interpretive Christianity" feels less true to the precepts laid out - whether they are right or wrong, they are what they are.


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RE: Gay Marriage is WRONG - 3/15/2013 7:37:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I live in the Midwest. Salt of the earth, fairly common sense church going type people around here.

Gay marriage is legal here......and that's not likely to change.

That's pretty fucking cool.

Very true. When I first came out, I never thought I'd live to see gay marriage.

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RE: Gay Marriage is WRONG - 3/15/2013 7:40:25 PM   
LaTigresse


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

I live more midwest than you...Missouri...damn republicans.

Butch


Well, I am in one of the bottom two tiers called lapland. aka, almost Missouri. It isn't, but we can see it from here.

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RE: Gay Marriage is WRONG - 3/15/2013 7:41:58 PM   
kdsub


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Status: offline 		We have a nutcase legislature that thinks they can pass laws that makes it illegal to introduce legislation against their positions... I'm serious... They are passing a bill to make it illegal to give license information to the federal government because they are afraid they will give it to the UN... Feel for me… I really do believe dcnovice is absolutely right in his views when it comes to them and gay marriage… Just not right about the majority.

Butch

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RE: Gay Marriage is WRONG - 3/15/2013 7:48:49 PM   
LaTigresse


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Status: offline 		Honestly, I do believe the over all majority is cool with it now. I also believe that the situation is only going to continue to improve as time passes, and dumb old mother fuckers die.

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