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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

yes, so here's a made up one

give people things and they will use them

give people guns and they will use them to kill other people

the more guns people have the more dead people there will be

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

yes, so here's a made up one

give people things and they will use them

give people guns and they will use them to kill other people

the more guns people have the more dead people there will be

Don't be so fucking naive.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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How many innocent people are you willing to penalize in the hopes of stopping one guilty one.
When the innocent are more likely to be punished than the guilty what is the point in being among the innocent.

I can point to 26 innocents who died because of the rights of one man to own a gun.

He stole the guns making your point invalide on that point. He was innocent of any crime until that morning...wasnt he?.
He was imbalanced Strike two.Are you saying that all mentally unstable people are going to turn into killers??? because theres a LOT of unstable people out there who shouldnt have access to guns, , but they wil swear up and down they arent unstable, and a whole lot iof unstable people who wil never pick up a weapon.
And the guns didn't make kill he made them kill strke three. He unloaded 150 bullets in less than five minutes..... with a smaller cap clip, a different gun, the toll would have been far smaller than it was. I wont even go into the fact had he used a bat, a knife or a car, the death toll would have been under five, yeah



And still you want to penalize people because someday somewher someone might do something wrong with some gun the person has never touched and you don't see how that violates every premise of fair play and justice this country is based on.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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How many innocent people are you willing to penalize in the hopes of stopping one guilty one.
When the innocent are more likely to be punished than the guilty what is the point in being among the innocent.

I can point to 26 innocents who died because of the rights of one man to own a gun.

He stole the guns making your point invalide on that point. He was innocent of any crime until that morning...wasnt he?.
He was imbalanced Strike two.Are you saying that all mentally unstable people are going to turn into killers??? because theres a LOT of unstable people out there who shouldnt have access to guns, , but they wil swear up and down they arent unstable, and a whole lot iof unstable people who wil never pick up a weapon.
And the guns didn't make kill he made them kill strke three. He unloaded 150 bullets in less than five minutes..... with a smaller cap clip, a different gun, the toll would have been far smaller than it was. I wont even go into the fact had he used a bat, a knife or a car, the death toll would have been under five, yeah



And still you want to penalize people because someday somewher someone might do something wrong with some gun the person has never touched and you don't see how that violates every premise of fair play and justice this country is based on.

Everyone is innocent, until that one day, they turn into a criminal.....
Fair play and justice, REALLY???? Justice is for the rich and connected...in ANY country. As for Fair Play, just look at the trillions of money being held in offshore accounts while ex workers live in poverty.
Arming more people just gives you an exponential risk of more people dying in accidents, arguments passion shootings and suicides.
Would YOU submit to a mental health check and accept their findings if you were found to be below their level of acceptance? I doubt it....?
Philosophically killing ten people cos one killed a nazi(Yes godwins law) is NOTHING close to being the same as "penalising" a gun owner with registration, security, training OR banning certain types of weapons.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

yes I did because the chest thumping and dick waving was more than my funny bone could take
That was how many years ago???
Wrong, I most certainly do want to do something about the mentally ill... Read some of my other posts, so you are Damn wrong and just looking to troll. OF course you wanna bring country into it again. And innocent until proven guilty is the law in both the countries I have lived in... However Prevention is not Proving you Guilty of ANYTHING
Your apparent ignorance of other countries trips you up again

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And of course you think Focus was a perfect gentleman
Reading primer I don't know about indicates laccepted lack of knowlege and declining to judge your standards
What you unfortunately inxited on pretednding I said was unlike Canada which would have betrayed judgement based on ignorance are you following?????

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He was innocent of any crime until that morning...wasnt he?.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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He was innocent of any crime until that morning...wasnt he?.

And he wasn't alowed to own a gun because of his emotional state....... source please

Are you saying that all mentally unstable people are going to turn into killers??? because theres a LOT of unstable people out there who shouldnt have access to guns, , but they wil swear up and down they arent unstable, and a whole lot iof unstable people who wil never pick up a weapon.

Of couse not that would be as stupid as saying all gun owners are going to be mass murderers..

Well nobody said that did they, but you DID sayHe was imbalanced Strike two.

And the guns didn't make kill he made them kill strke three. He unloaded 150 bullets in less than five minutes..... with a smaller cap clip, a different gun, the toll would have been far smaller than it was. I wont even go into the fact had he used a bat, a knife or a car, the death toll would have been under five, yeah

Now you display your ignorance of firearms.
No, That was released in the news last week.

And if he had used a bomb (directions on internet) it could have been 100
But he didnt did he, wow talk about fairy tales.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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He was innocent of any crime until that morning...wasnt he?.

And he wasn't alowed to own a gun because of his emotional state....... source please

Are you saying that all mentally unstable people are going to turn into killers??? because theres a LOT of unstable people out there who shouldnt have access to guns, , but they wil swear up and down they arent unstable, and a whole lot iof unstable people who wil never pick up a weapon.

Of couse not that would be as stupid as saying all gun owners are going to be mass murderers..

Well nobody said that did they, but you DID sayHe was imbalanced Strike two.

And the guns didn't make kill he made them kill strke three. He unloaded 150 bullets in less than five minutes..... with a smaller cap clip, a different gun, the toll would have been far smaller than it was. I wont even go into the fact had he used a bat, a knife or a car, the death toll would have been under five, yeah

Now you display your ignorance of firearms.
No, That was released in the news last week.

And if he had used a bomb (directions on internet) it could have been 100
But he didnt did he, wow talk about fairy tales.

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And he wasn't alowed to own a gun because of his emotional state....... source please

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

really???
LMAO so you have no source, but he DID kill 26 people and injured many simply because of the guns he was using.
Your opinion and facts dont have much in common, and I know Id trust fox before you.


from the hartford courant. march 13th
State police gave the victims' families, Sandy Hook teachers and first-responders an update on the investigation last week in which, sources said, they discussed the theory that Lanza was trying to outdo other killers.


The Courant reported last month that investigators found several articles about Breivik's killing spree in Lanza's room. Breivik set off bombs in downtown Oslo in July 2011 that killed eight people before moving to Utoya island, where he shot and killed 69 people, most of them teenagers attending a summer camp.

Breivik wounded hundreds. He was sentenced last August to 21 years in prison.

Sources said that Lanza's shooting spree lasted less than five minutes and that he fired 152 bullets while making his way through two classrooms in the elementary school. Lanza had hundreds more rounds of ammunition either on him or in the car that he drove to the school.

Sources said that Lanza retrieved the guns used in the shooting from a vault that his mother kept in the house. Police do not know whether Adam Lanza knew the combination to the vault or if Nancy Lanza did not keep it locked. Lanza used a Bushmaster AR-15 semiautomatic rifle to shoot his victims and a pistol to kill himself.

Lanza shot his way into the school through the glass windows at the front entrance and turned left toward the first-grade classrooms. He almost immediately encountered Principal Dawn Hochsprung and school psychologist Mary Scherlach, who ran into the hallway from a meeting room, which would have been on Lanza's right. He shot them both to death immediately.

Sources said that the two teachers who were injured were hit by ricochet bullets from that initial burst of gunfire. One teacher was in the meeting room with Hochsprung and Scherlach and was hit in the leg and crawled back into the room and called 911. The second teacher was closing the door to her classroom much farther down the hallway, where Lanza never went, when she was hit in the foot.

Lanza bypassed the first classroom that belonged to Kaitlin Roig, who had closed her door when she heard the original shots fired at the front door. Sources said that Sandy Hook Elementary had only weeks earlier had a lockdown drill and that Roig had not taken down the piece of black construction paper that teachers are instructed to place over the small window in the classroom doors so that no one can look in.

Lanza first skipped Victoria Soto's room and entered the classroom taught by substitute teacher Lauren Rousseau.

Lanza killed all but one student in Rousseau's class, where the children were massed together in a back corner of the room trying to get into a bathroom. One girl escaped because she played dead and ran out of the room after Lanza left.

Lanza then backtracked to Soto's room.

A source familiar with the investigation said authorities believe that Lanza started walking toward the back of Soto's classroom, where the bathroom was, when he noticed some of the children hiding under desks.

Lanza shot those students. At some point he stopped shooting, either because the Bushmaster jammed or he made an error reloading it, giving six children the opportunity to escape. Soto had placed another group of five children in a closet, where they were found alive by authorities.

Some bullets struck three cars in the parking lot, and police originally investigated the theory that he was shooting at responding officers. They now believe that he was aiming at a teacher who was standing near the window.

Lanza shot and killed himself in Soto's room with one of the two pistols that he was carrying as authorities were closing in.

State police have periodically updated the victims' families as the investigation has unfolded. Danbury State's Attorney Stephen Sedensky has said he hopes that the final report on the massacre will be done by the end of June.

Sedensky sealed the search warrants that state police used to remove items from Lanza's house and car. Sources said that Lanza apparently tried to destroy his computer's hard drive in a way that would prevent investigators from retrieving any meaningful information about his use of the device.

But two sources said that law enforcement computer forensic specialists are continuing efforts to obtain information from the damaged hard drive. Investigators are also using all means to obtain information from Internet service providers and any other relevant entities to obtain records showing how Lanza used his computer, including what sites he visited, what research he conducted and with whom he corresponded.
http://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-newtown-lanza-mass-murderers-20130313,0,4473768.story


So you have some source???? or are you going to pretend to have seen something somewhere, but cant find it, or any other excuse for bad intel??? Or will you actually admit, its just you blowing raspberries in the air again. As it hapens, I dont care, your posts havent moved beyond the basic NRA hot air, its pointless wasting more time on your rants. gnite.

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He unloaded 150 bullets in less than five minutes..... with a smaller cap clip, a different gun, the toll would have been far smaller than it was. I wont even go into the fact had he used a bat, a knife or a car, the death toll would have been under five, yeah

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ORIGINAL: Owner59



Just want folks to have ALL the facts....and not just the NRA approved ones.

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

It`s far from the only study.


Just want folks to have ALL the facts....and not just the NRA approved ones.