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RE: Another pit bull attack - 3/22/2013 9:32:19 PM   
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Best friend or not, I never went back to their house as long as that dog was alive.



Good choice. They sound like horrible dog owners.

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RE: Another pit bull attack - 4/24/2013 6:02:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		This has to be one of the most easily preventable tragedies... yet this is a recurring news story.

Again today:

Another child mauled to death by a pit bull.

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RE: Another pit bull attack - 4/24/2013 6:09:42 PM   
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This has to be one of the most easily preventable tragedies... yet this is a recurring news story.

Again today:

Another child mauled to death by a pit bull.

I will never understand the continued existence of these animals in our society. It must be a Darwin thing at work.

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RE: Another pit bull attack - 4/24/2013 7:49:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		So they "think" it was a pit bull, but really have no idea and could have been any number of breeds that resemble pit bulls.

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RE: Another pit bull attack - 4/24/2013 7:51:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		They exist because when they are raised appropriately and when people behave appropriately around them, they can be wonderful pets.

Do you realize how often pit bulls are used as therapy dogs? Have you ever heard of someone's therapy pit bull attacking them?

Just because you personally don't understand a breed or have a clue how to train one doesn't mean they are inherently dangerous.

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RE: Another pit bull attack - 4/24/2013 7:53:13 PM   
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They exist because when they are raised appropriately and when people behave appropriately around them, they can be wonderful pets.

Do you realize how often pit bulls are used as therapy dogs? Have you ever heard of someone's therapy pit bull attacking them?

Just because you personally don't understand a breed or have a clue how to train one doesn't mean they are inherently dangerous.

It's not overly relevant whether I know how to train one. The problem seems to be that thousands of pit bull owners don't know how to train one. That doesn't stop them from owning them, obviously.

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RE: Another pit bull attack - 4/24/2013 8:04:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		You're right, many don't have a clue how to train or care for them. Does that mean that all the loving homes that hundreds of thousands of pit bulls are in should suffer for that?

While this has been discussed ad nauseum, the fact remains that there are many breeds who attack people and we never hear about. Small dog attacks are not reported at all.

Do you have any idea how many of these dogs are registered with the AKC and other kennel clubs or simply licensed in their community (as in the normal dog license), who have never, ever had any kind of adverse event? Again, hundreds of thousands.

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RE: Another pit bull attack - 4/24/2013 8:15:44 PM   
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RE: Another pit bull attack - 4/24/2013 8:19:43 PM   
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You're right, many don't have a clue how to train or care for them. Does that mean that all the loving homes that hundreds of thousands of pit bulls are in should suffer for that?

While this has been discussed ad nauseum, the fact remains that there are many breeds who attack people and we never hear about. Small dog attacks are not reported at all.

Do you have any idea how many of these dogs are registered with the AKC and other kennel clubs or simply licensed in their community (as in the normal dog license), who have never, ever had any kind of adverse event? Again, hundreds of thousands.

I have yet to read a single report about a child being critically mauled or killed by a beagle, or by a cocker spaniel, or by a pug, or by a schnauzer, or by a poodle.... In my area (San Francisco bay area), I have read for years reports of toddlers and older children (and a few elderly people) being brutally mauled or killed by pit bulls.

Like it or not, pit bulls have physical capabilities that other breeds don't, and frequently possess the apparent instinct to act on those capabilities. There are CERTAINLY other breeds as dangerous as pit bulls. Presa Canarios come to mind, some shar-peis, Akitas, Dogo Argentinos, other comparatively exotic fighting breeds. The glaring difference is dogs of those breeds are quite rare as pets. In my neighborhood, for example, every other dog is a pit bull. I've seen no Akitas or Presa Canarios here. If I did, I'd be every bit as wary as I am when I see a pit bull. But I don't worry too much about the pit bulls either, because I am always fully prepared for them.

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RE: Another pit bull attack - 4/24/2013 9:35:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		First off unless their is a photo or film of the dog do not accept it is a pit just because the media says so. Lazy reporters often labl every vicious dog a pit.

Second it is not the pits fault.It is the owners and breeders fault. A well bred and handled pit is one of the best dog breeds to have as a pet. They're smart, loyal and very adaptable as to amount of exercise which makes them superior pets to the working breeds as pets, which are pretty much the only breeds that rival them for intelligence.

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RE: Another pit bull attack - 4/25/2013 2:33:12 AM   
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You're right, many don't have a clue how to train or care for them. Does that mean that all the loving homes that hundreds of thousands of pit bulls are in should suffer for that?

While this has been discussed ad nauseum, the fact remains that there are many breeds who attack people and we never hear about. Small dog attacks are not reported at all.

Do you have any idea how many of these dogs are registered with the AKC and other kennel clubs or simply licensed in their community (as in the normal dog license), who have never, ever had any kind of adverse event? Again, hundreds of thousands.

I have yet to read a single report about a child being critically mauled or killed by a beagle, or by a cocker spaniel, or by a pug, or by a schnauzer, or by a poodle.... In my area (San Francisco bay area), I have read for years reports of toddlers and older children (and a few elderly people) being brutally mauled or killed by pit bulls.

Like it or not, pit bulls have physical capabilities that other breeds don't, and frequently possess the apparent instinct to act on those capabilities. There are CERTAINLY other breeds as dangerous as pit bulls. Presa Canarios come to mind, some shar-peis, Akitas, Dogo Argentinos, other comparatively exotic fighting breeds. The glaring difference is dogs of those breeds are quite rare as pets. In my neighborhood, for example, every other dog is a pit bull. I've seen no Akitas or Presa Canarios here. If I did, I'd be every bit as wary as I am when I see a pit bull. But I don't worry too much about the pit bulls either, because I am always fully prepared for them.


But attacks by small dogs, such as poodles, beagles, pugs, schauzers and cocker spaniels are not reported in the media. You do understand that, don't you?

You should be every bit as wary of the breeds you mentioned as the pit bulls. You should be wary of ANY dog you don't know, and you should definitely never leave a child alone with any dog. Children can be told to "be nice to the doggy" but that doesn't mean they don't do anything to startle a dog and make it go into protective mode.

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RE: Another pit bull attack - 4/25/2013 6:24:42 AM   
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CNN story

Local news story

I know. They are wonderful pets.

Save it. We've heard it before.


Never been bitten by a pit. I have been bitten by a chihuahua and a mini poodle. My mother had a cocker spaniel that went vicious and had to be put down just before my sister arrived.

One reason why attacks like this make the news is because no one really reports how vicious little dogs can be. It is also reported because it happens pretty infrequently (thus making it news).



I think part of that might be because those little dogs haven't killed anyone that I have heard of. 

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RE: Another pit bull attack - 4/25/2013 6:33:36 AM   
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Yay!



Bigger yay, we got him to his new family this afternoon.




That is great news. I hope they are happy together.

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RE: Another pit bull attack - 4/25/2013 8:23:23 AM   
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Dogs mostly bite out of fear (it's their only way of protecting themselves). Majority of dog bites are on children. Children who have not been taught how to behave around dogs are at higher risk - because the dog is scared/nervous/anxious and becomes defensive.

I read Caesar Milan's account of the pit who bit the news anchor in the face a couple of years ago. The anchor put her hands on both sides of the dog's face and brought her face down to his face. This is a very threatening move to a dog who does not completely know/trust you.

A child, with squeals, screams, laughs, flailing hands, etc., can scare the shit out of a dog. Unless a dog is raised in the house with a growing child, there is a very high chance of the dog feeling threatened by this, and reacting.

So...yes, train your dog well. But train your kids well, too. 61% of dog bites in the US are on kids under the age of 8.

It is very easy to label a dog as "vicious" and I don't deny that SOME dogs have become vicious (I contend these are normally mistreated dogs), but the real issue here is people.

I work with several volunteers who do pitbull rescue, in LA and Sacramento areas. Not one of these rescued dogs (many of which who have gone to families with kids) has had any returned feedback of being anything less than loving, happy, family pets. Not one. Why? Because adopters and fosters are carefully screened to be sure they know how to incorporate a dog into the family, and how to treat it.

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RE: Another pit bull attack - 4/25/2013 1:33:41 PM   
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This has to be one of the most easily preventable tragedies... yet this is a recurring news story.

Again today:

Another child mauled to death by a pit bull.




They had the dog for 8 years, 6 of them without the child. The mother was a moron to leave a toddler alone in a room with ANY dog.

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RE: Another pit bull attack - 4/25/2013 2:03:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LizDeluxe

This has to be one of the most easily preventable tragedies... yet this is a recurring news story.

Again today:

Another child mauled to death by a pit bull.

I will never understand the continued existence of these animals in our society. It must be a Darwin thing at work.


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RE: Another pit bull attack - 4/25/2013 4:27:53 PM   
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This has to be one of the most easily preventable tragedies... yet this is a recurring news story.

Again today:

Another child mauled to death by a pit bull.

I will never understand the continued existence of these animals in our society. It must be a Darwin thing at work.

I agree 100%. Irresponsible pet owners should be euthanized until they are eliminated from the gene pool altogether.

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RE: Another pit bull attack - 4/25/2013 4:51:11 PM   
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This has to be one of the most easily preventable tragedies... yet this is a recurring news story.

Again today:

Another child mauled to death by a pit bull.




They had the dog for 8 years, 6 of them without the child. The mother was a moron to leave a toddler alone in a room with ANY dog.

I read through statistics on toddlers being killed by dogs. The majority of them were left alone with the dog...or the child wandered into the neighbor's yard.

In one case, the toddler was left in a bouncy chair. Dad took a nap, kid in bouncy chair, Mom was at work. Who the heck does this? To leave the little one alone in a bouncy chair, let alone a bouncy chair with a dog. Apparently the bouncing and squealing scared the crap out of the dog. Dog bit the leg, severed an artery, kid died.

And it was filed as a vicious attack.

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RE: Another pit bull attack - 4/25/2013 5:16:22 PM   
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You're right, many don't have a clue how to train or care for them. Does that mean that all the loving homes that hundreds of thousands of pit bulls are in should suffer for that?

While this has been discussed ad nauseum, the fact remains that there are many breeds who attack people and we never hear about. Small dog attacks are not reported at all.

Do you have any idea how many of these dogs are registered with the AKC and other kennel clubs or simply licensed in their community (as in the normal dog license), who have never, ever had any kind of adverse event? Again, hundreds of thousands.

I have yet to read a single report about a child being critically mauled or killed by a beagle, or by a cocker spaniel, or by a pug, or by a schnauzer, or by a poodle.... In my area (San Francisco bay area), I have read for years reports of toddlers and older children (and a few elderly people) being brutally mauled or killed by pit bulls.

Like it or not, pit bulls have physical capabilities that other breeds don't, and frequently possess the apparent instinct to act on those capabilities. There are CERTAINLY other breeds as dangerous as pit bulls. Presa Canarios come to mind, some shar-peis, Akitas, Dogo Argentinos, other comparatively exotic fighting breeds. The glaring difference is dogs of those breeds are quite rare as pets. In my neighborhood, for example, every other dog is a pit bull. I've seen no Akitas or Presa Canarios here. If I did, I'd be every bit as wary as I am when I see a pit bull. But I don't worry too much about the pit bulls either, because I am always fully prepared for them.


But attacks by small dogs, such as poodles, beagles, pugs, schauzers and cocker spaniels are not reported in the media. You do understand that, don't you?
Maybe because those attacks don't lead to shit like this http://abcnews.go.com/US/pet-pit-bull-kills-pregnant-woman-pacifica-california/story?id=14289961 or this http://www.sanluisobispo.com/2013/04/12/2467616/pit-bull-kills-woman-in-yard-of.html
 

You should be every bit as wary of the breeds you mentioned as the pit bulls. You should be wary of ANY dog you don't know, and you should definitely never leave a child alone with any dog. Children can be told to "be nice to the doggy" but that doesn't mean they don't do anything to startle a dog and make it go into protective mode.
This I would totally agree with


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RE: Another pit bull attack - 4/25/2013 5:37:44 PM   
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